💊 Manosphere IceCat - the defender of loveshies

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HickoryDickory said:
Eh... I feel it would be best to step back a bit. I get that a lot of loveshies one incels blame their parents for not hooking them up (and it is messed up), but telling someone that they are a whiny bitch and comparing different forms of childhood abuse is comes off as one-up manship and getting into personal grivences that aren't appropriate for this thread. (Re: Power levels)
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I agree. We're supposed to be talking about @IceCat. I don't feel comfortable reading other people's deep seated emotional issues.
 
I don't disagree with you, @4Macie , but this really isn't helping. It's making other posters uncomfortable when people TMI to this degree and they stop posting.
 
This is on me as well. Between my own experiences and those of a friend I made during in-patient, I am very touchy on the subject of abusive mothers, especially when someone insists that it justifies even their inability to solve the problem. For opening the can of worms all the way and allowing this to consume the thread momentarily, I am sorry.
 
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HickoryDickory said:
I don't disagree with you, @4Macie , but this really isn't helping. It's making other posters uncomfortable when people TMI to this degree and they stop posting.
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I haven't asked a single person to input their life story. I asked Icecat why he defends loveshies when all WE'VE seen is loveshies who complain about how hard their lives are, when in reality, we've seen that this isn't true. I was asking Icecat for his opinion on what makes loveshy lives so hard.

He said it was their upbringing.

I said it couldn't be because (list of people) had terrible upbringings but they still becomes beautiful and wonderful people.

Next thing I know, we've got three people spilling the beans all over.

I'm not disagreeing though, I do wish this would get back on topic with asking IceCat his opinions on stuff.

Simplicity111 said:
I did not have this in mind when I created this thread, holy shit. I think we should all just go back to laughing at IceCat's stupidity.

Expected Rating from IceCat: Disagree/Dumb
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This. I'm really not sure how this went from asking Icecat why he does what he does to a circle jerk of emotions; but if my single question to Icecat started it, I sincerely apologize.

I'm just going to blame Holden for this one. Everything was fine until he waltzed in.
 
4Macie said:
This. I'm really not sure how this went from asking Icecat why he does what he does to a circle jerk of emotions; but if my single question to Icecat started it, I sincerely apologize.

I'm just going to blame Holden for this one. Everything was fine until he waltzed in.
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Eh, it's fine. To be fair IceCat wasn't around the time this argument started anyway. I actually agreed with your points even though it was dragging the forum off-topic, and I think we can all blame it on Holden. He sucks.

On-Topic: Also @IceCat, why do you think Holden is a decent person even now?
 
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IceCat said:
if you are aspy despite having good childhood I really don't know what to say
it is likely you are getting good support if this is the case anyway, so you don't need
me to say anything anyway
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Autism has a big genetic component; a good childhood experience does not "cure" autism.
Parents good at providing a nurturing upbringing and emotional support may not necessarily know how best to deal with an autistic child.

IceCat said:
Really? Because I'll be honest with you I know ppl that have had truly terrible things happen to them. And they've all turned out to be bad and/or underachieving ppl. With 100% confirmation rate.
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Give us one of such stories. You don't need to go into details; I just want to know what are your ideas of "truly terrible things" and "underachieving".

IceCat said:
I definitely think it's one of the most important things in a person's life. And I could not live contently without a partner, I could not have a good nor meaningful life without one.
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While I can surely relate to that, please note there are such things as bad partners. People unfortunate enough to be in a relationship with someone like @Holden will likely be scarred for life.
 
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Positron said:
Autism has a big genetic component; a good childhood experience does not "cure" autism.
Parents good at providing good emotional support do not necessarily knows how best to deal with an autistic child.
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That's really just the worst thing isn't it. Parents who don't know how to deal with their autistic kids I mean. Even chris-chan wouldn't be as bad as he is if Snorlax and bob got out of denial and sought help/training for taking care of their autistic son. As relatively archaic as the care/support for autistic kids was back in the late 80s/early 90s something is better than nothing. If Chris and other autistic kids grew up being properly taught how to deal with their autism, how it might affect themselves as well as others and how to deal with the differences in how they perceive the world it wouldn't be as big a problem for them in later life.

Sadly most parents just coddle them and tell them they're amazing and can do no wrong which gives life to the Chris-chan's and Frickin'Frick sonic fans of the world.
 
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IceCat said:
Is that a fact? Care to name me a few
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IceCat said:
Heh a kid that goes with his dad to AA meetings does not qualify as terrible childhood to me. I know ppl that didn't have dad.
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Hong Kong celebrity Mary Cheung was abandoned by her parents at age 6 and had been a "street urchain" for 2 years before she was placed in an orphanage. She went on to become a successful businessperson, radio host, painter, photographer, and philanthropist.

Billie Holliday never knew her dad, was brought up by a relative, suffered domestic abuse, had at one point of her life resorted to prostitution to get by -- and she eventually become one of the greatest jazz singer ever.

Claude Vivier grew up in an orphanage and went on to become Canada's foremost composer of concert music, until his carrier was cut short by murder.

Speaking of composers of serious music: both Beethoven and Brahms grew up in dire poverty, yet their names are now ensconced in musical history. Bruckner was celibate for live. Olivier Messiaen's first wife was stricken by a degenerative brain condition, and as a devout Roman Catholic, Messiaen had endure a married yet sexless life for decades -- but he was able to channel and sublimate his erotic impulses into some of the strangest and most fascinating music written in this century.

DrChristianTroy said:
Shit's not hard to remember dogg.
1- Were you always wack or did it develop more as you became an adult? Have you tried to become dope or do you think it's futile to even try?
2- Why was the article on the last page "a joke" to you?
3- So where are you and @Holden registered?
4- You say everyone with a poor home growing up went on to be shitty people. Did you ever consider you just know shitty people?
5- Why so racist?
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Did he name his top 5?

IceCat said:
I tend not to answer idiot questions or questions where the answer can be gleamed from earlier posts.
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Link to your previous answers laddie-o. This thread is getting long.

IceCat said:
Elliot Rodger was 22 yr old kissless, hand-holdless, virgin

think a bit more deeply about the topic please
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Rodger was a rich, spoiled brat. Think about it please.

IceCat said:
guys do get by, alot of them become hooker-cels etc.
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Hooker-cel, and you told us you barely browsed sluthate.com
 
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deductionotaku said:
Would she beat you for individualizing?
Would she dig her fingernails into your cheeks when you questioned her words?
Did you ever need to call the police to restrain her and have yourself removed from the house?
Would she strangle you with the phone cord when you called the police on her?
Did you ever think if you didn't kill her, she would kill you?

No down the board? Newsflash: My mother was immensely worse than yours; bear in mind, I skipped the emotional abuse that she doled out to everybody.

And you know something? That still hasn't stopped me from growing beyond it. Between her and the female teachers who ignored all the signs of abuse - like me telling them my mother beats me and pointing out all my fresh bruises - I had a massive distrust of women, romance, and marriage for a long time, and the abuse even left me catatonic for a while, but it's my past. I dig this up in therapy and when special little snowflakes like you think your mothers were abusive for being disciplinarians or not being involved enough, but otherwise it's just shit that used to happen and doesn't anymore. I'm still a work in progress, but I'm allowed in an out-patient program now and can interact with the world again. I'm still no social butterfly and I refuse to speak to my mother, but there's interaction between me and the world that doesn't involve me shooting nasty looks and being apathetic about the world.

Your mother yelled a lot. Compared to a narcissist with a middle child complex, I'd trade mothers with you in a heartbeat.
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P.S: A lot of members here have NPD parents, suffice to say.
 
Clown Doll said:
Meanwhile sexual statues, cave paintings and rituals have been used to transmit those ideas in the eras past.
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I really don't think the Venus of Willendorf was communicating the same ideas about human sexuality as midget_fuck_van.mp4

Clown Doll said:
Hell, the idea of wanting as many sexual partners as possible is pure evolution ; ensuring your own genes endure over everyone else's.
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Having too many kids was a pretty solid death sentence (for either you or them) until pretty recently, though.
 
IceCat said:
And Marjan did not lack partners. Nor did I. You know this. Dedicated, faith-keeping and competent LS/incels often find some success in the end.
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Anyone can get laid. Prostitution and fuck buddy's are things that exist. Meaningful romantic relationships are things you and Marijan can never achieve because you both hold this pessimistic attitude that you deserve sex for whatever stupid reason. If by dedicated you mean stalking women and liking their Facebook posts, having faith that they will notice you.

Are you seriously trying to tell me you had a serious romantic relationship with someone who could put up with your childish behavior?
 
Guys, guys, I think I'm onto something.

See, way back when man was split between Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon, females chose men based on three major factors.

1. Aggressiveness
Females needed men that were able to be territorial, and maintain order in their families. Without this aggressiveness, they would be taken out much more easily.
2. Musculature
Women were able to tell apart hard workers from non-workers based on muscle mass.
3. Penis Size
Males were chosen for their penis sizes. In fact, humans today have larger penises than any other primate due to this.

What I'm getting at with this is, to be blunt...

Loveshies are 2.6 million years in the past with their thinking. They are literally functioning with the same mentality as Neanderthals.

My god. Devolution has just been proven.
 
Well, I'm guilty of power level derailing, too, but we have an interview with Señor @IceCat tomorrow that should provide discussion.
 
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