🐱 Incel terrorist attacks pose an increasing threat

https://phys.org/news/2020-05-incel-terrorist-pose-threat.html

Researchers at The University of Western Australia have found that self-identified "incels' (involuntary celibates, young men who cannot find female sexual partners), present a national security issue.


In a landmark paper published today in the Australian Journal of Political Science, Incels are determined to have killed at least 50 people and injured at least 58 more since 2014—statistics comparable to the number of victims of Islamic extremism in the same period. However, Incels are receiving little preventative attention.

Considering the recent rise of high-profile misogynistic violence in Australia, the authors call for the Australian government to label Incels as a security threat and, in doing so, adopt preventative programs to address misogyny in the community.

Project co-author Dr. Sian Tomkinson, from UWA's School of Social Sciences, said Incels were part of a network called the Manosphere.

"The Manosphere contains various groups who believe that feminism has overtaken society and that men must fight back in order to survive," Dr. Tomkinson said.

"In extreme cases, Incels become radicalized online and commit attacks against everyday men and women, who they blame for their misfortunes."

Co-author Dr. Tauel Harper, from UWA's School of Social Sciences, said one of the great dangers of trying to combat ideological extremists such as Incel was the creation of a 'suspect community," which could encourage even more extreme behavior.

"In order to avoid this scenario with 'the manosphere' we present a program to tackle misogynistic views at the community level," Dr. Harper said.

"Key to this effort is to ensure that public figures and anyone who comments on violence against women understands that gendered violence presents a threat to public security.

"Comments that make gendered violence seem justifiable or the fault of the victim have been shown to further encourage violent attitudes and behavior."

Co-author Dr. Katie Attwell, also from UWA's School of Social Sciences, said misogyny had been killing women for centuries.

"What Incel has done is make misogyny dangerous to everyone, not just women. The very broad and public nature of this threat means that the government must now deal with misogynistic attitudes as an issue of national security."

 

[ditto]

Key recommendation: challenging misogyny at community level.

How is that supposed to work, exactly?

 

[DumbDude42]

How is that supposed to work, exactly?

it probably involves telling local governments to hire a lot of professional feminists with social studies degrees to give speeches about gamergate

 

[inexplicable ethos]

How is that supposed to work, exactly?

Historically, not well.

Spoiler: Remember this, guys?

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

So what do they suggest we do about this super-scary potentially mass murdering virgins? Do we have hookers paid for by the state fuck any guy that's still a virgin at 18?

It's crazy how the media is painting virgins as if they're fucking ISIS.

 

[ditto]

I can't even find a list of these incidents or discover their methodology.

If they do the usual and include domestic violence - that is the opposite of inceldom.

 

[Next Task]

I would also like to know what they are counting as incel violence. There's great difficulty in defining that as a motive in whatever they're classifying as incel violence.

Also calling it terrorism is ... I was going to say a stretch, but really it's just flat-out wrong. It's hard enough for them to define something as incel violence; to define it as incel terrorism is, if we were to see the examples used, is highly unlikely to hold up.

But I think their angle is slightly different. The article suggests that they're going for, 'You don't care about misogynistic violence, you bastards, but incels kill men as well as women, so since that's what it takes for you to care about violence towards women then start caring, patriarchy.'

Which, without the 'men only care about violence towards women when they could be a target' angle, isn't untrue. Elliot Rodger did kill more men than women, to use the example of one of the few recent murders unambiguously due to inceldom.

Though let's hook them up to the incel-to-troon pipeline if we want to see them ignore a bunch of data points...

 

[Orange Rhymer]

So what do they suggest we do about this super-scary potentially mass murdering virgins? Do we have hookers paid for by the state fuck any guy that's still a virgin at 18?

It's crazy how the media is painting virgins as if they're fucking ISIS.

I got a group of people that pose a demonstrable threat

Spoiler: youknowwho

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

Is Islam really a Religion of Peace? What makes Islam so different?

thereligionofpeace.com

 

[ditto]

Also calling it terrorism is ... I was going to say a stretch, but really it's just flat-out wrong. It's hard enough for them to define something as incel violence; to define it as incel terrorism is, if we were to see the examples used, is highly unlikely to hold up.

Terrorism needs to have a political or ideological element. Actual incel terrorism would be Boko Haram kidnapping girls for their soldiers.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

They could just legalize prostitution, if they are so worried about incels. Most incels are not street savvy enough to go get a hooker because it’s illegal and hookers are usually in dangerous areas because it’s illegal. Legalize prostitution, the incel uses his spare change he saves up, no longer is a virgin, and he can count on the sexual again when he gets so more money. It’s not really that expensive but Is dangerous to get hookers so if you legalize it, not dangerous now. Because they could set up buildings with security you take a hooker to one of the bedrooms, they have security right outside. They could do it safely they just have to figure out the logistics.

You would think if an incel was willing to buy a prostitute they could just spend a little extra to get a ticket to somewhere it was legal.

 

[אΩ+1]

How else are they going to get laid with 72 virgins if they don't commit acts of terrorism?

 

[AnimeGirlConnoisseur]

I would also like to know what they are counting as incel violence. There's great difficulty in defining that as a motive in whatever they're classifying as incel violence.

Also calling it terrorism is ... I was going to say a stretch, but really it's just flat-out wrong. It's hard enough for them to define something as incel violence; to define it as incel terrorism is, if we were to see the examples used, is highly unlikely to hold up.

I think that incel terrorism is a thing that could exist, I just don't know what these people are talking about when they talk about their fifty terror victims.

Terrorism needs to have a political or ideological element. Actual incel terrorism would be Boko Haram kidnapping girls for their soldiers.

The first part of your comment is right, but I think that all something needs to be incel terrorism is a public act of violence committed in the name of the incel ideology. The gold standard for this would be that Alex guy in Canada. Boko Haram is just Islamist terrorism.

 

[DrunkenDozing]

Sorry m8, I cant hear you over the invasive species, coughing and wild fires.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

Historically, not well.

Spoiler: Remember this, guys?

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Here's the only appropriate response to those sorts of programs -

Spoiler

 

[knux]

Incel violence in Australia? Like, fucking where? First I've heard of it.
Someone didn't get the memo that Gamergate hasn't been a thing for years and years now.

Man, UWA was considered a prestigious establishment at a point.
They've fallen pretty far if something like this is considered a 'landmark paper'.
I'd love to see her citations on where all these waves of incel violence are coming from.

 

[Drunk and Pour]

Let's see where this is going. Incel violence is caused by misogyny and they're misogynistic because they believe feminism is taking over society, therefore criticizing feminism is misogynistic and can cause violence against women. So the solution is heavier policing anti-feminist language on the internet. If you're not an incel, you don't have to worry about this, and we're protecting you too.

 

[Shugo]

In a landmark paper published today in the Australian Journal of Political Science, Incels are determined to have killed at least 50 people and injured at least 58 more since 2014—statistics comparable to the number of victims of Islamic extremism in the same period.

50 people murdered by incels since 2014? Is this worldwide?

On a single night, Omar Mateen murdered 49 people and injured 53 more during his Islamic Jihad attack on a gay night club during which he professed his allegiance to ISIS, but "statistics" say incel violence over a 6 year period is comparable, when a single Islamic terror attack over a few hours as deadly as the entire incel threat over half a decade?

 

[DrunkenDozing]

Really the key here is they only went from 2014. Why that number specifically? Why not from the lat twenty years? Well I guess a 3,200 lead on islam would be non-egalitarian.

 

[AnimeGirlConnoisseur]

50 people murdered by incels since 2014? Is this worldwide?

On a single night, Omar Mateen murdered 49 people and injured 53 more during his Islamic Jihad attack on a gay night club during which he professed his allegiance to ISIS, but "statistics" say incel violence over a 6 year period is comparable, when a single Islamic terror attack over a few hours as deadly as the entire incel threat over half a decade?

Well, I personally think that it's not fair to blame the Pulse nightclub shooting entirely on Islam (I remember hearing from somewhere that Mateen was gay, he frequented the club, this caused problems with his family, and that made him snap and shoot up the club), but your argument is still pretty valid.

 

[L50LasPak]

If anything the best evidence against this article is that there's been very little violence from incels. I'll admit at the start I expected them to do more damage myself. If not mass shootings or bombings, then things such as sabotaging networks and orchestrating data leaks (let's face it, a lot of tech people are incels).

To my initial surprise, none of these really came to pass. Certainly nothing as fucked up or spectacular as Brenton Tarrant or even Columbine. There are tons of mass shootings in the USA all the time, including school shootings, but those people always state their reasons as bullying, idolizing the original Columbine shooters or they have racist ideologies. It seems the last thing an incel is gonna do is actually get up off their as and kill anyone. There are isolated cases here and there like Elliot Rodger, but most of the time these assholes just sit behind a keyboard, whine, and nothing comes of it.

Upon reconsideration I think above all else incels are cowards. They're not like your hardcore RaceWarNow, Jihadi or Ruby Ridge types. They're pudgy pansies. @Shiversblood of all people made a really good point about them not being streetsmart. Most of them probably can't leave the house without having a panic attack, let alone obtain a gun. Even Elliot Rodger in his manifestos described himself as a nervous wreck who cried every time he encountered some kind of setback in his life. Of all the lunatics out there, the least threatening are probably incels.

 

[soft kitty]

They could just legalize prostitution, if they are so worried about incels. Most incels are not street savvy enough to go get a hooker because it’s illegal and hookers are usually in dangerous areas because it’s illegal. Legalize prostitution, the incel uses his spare change he saves up, no longer is a virgin, and he can count on the sexual again when he gets so more money. It’s not really that expensive but Is dangerous to get hookers so if you legalize it, not dangerous now. Because they could set up buildings with security you take a hooker to one of the bedrooms, they have security right outside. They could do it safely they just have to figure out the logistics.

I agree, prostitution has no reason to be illegal. That being said incels should stop obsessing over sex and wait till they're married.