Incel thread - Vocal losers or average men scorned?

[AgendaPoster]

Why would you (the general you, but I guess also specific you) want to be an asshole?

To be clear, I mean if you're actually in the market for something good. If not, then I retract the question bc I both know the answer and also don't care.

Not really interested in "the market". I'm rarely an asshole, almost never, but I do take pleasure in retaining the capability to become one as needed. I am never an asshole first. But if you insist in fucking with me, lying to me and trying the usual trickery, and I find out (I will find out), I will take vengeance in some way, yes, because such rebellious behaviors cannot be tolerated.
No worries, I abhor gruggness, I have my own Machiavellian, highly autistic, sophisticated methodology

 

[eatler]

The good news is that it's possible to get better and more comfortable, and therefore more successful...unless, of course, you cling to deranged viewpoints or persist in believing you're above it all.

My only issue is I think everyone forgets we are in a completely different boat than 1980. Most of the things put out into the world was very limited so lots of people have common interest like football. The problem with our modern world is there’s so many things you can get interested in and it makes their own subsections and cliques that can be hard to get into if you’re not a diehard fan. It is really hard to relate to everyone too because every late millennial-zoomer is obsessed with technology, I have tried dragging people out of their homes to do things in the real world but most people I have met have just wanted to stay at home (I it’s also another symptom of the jobs yield little pay so no one can afford to go out).

 

[AgendaPoster]

It is really hard to relate to everyone too because every late millennial-zoomer is obsessed with technology, I have tried dragging people out of their homes to do things in the real world but most people I have met have just wanted to stay at home (I it’s also another symptom of the jobs yield little pay so no one can afford to go out).

Try suggesting going for a walk in the park, see how they react. If you get some surprised "the fuck is this, I wanna go to a restaurant/club" looks it's probably not worth bothering outside a one night. Also huge red flag is taking out their phone to check notifications, even not having those muted. I've seen couples that are both stuck to their screens, even with a small baby, that's fucking insane, they deserve a beating. Or some clique of 5-6 zoomies enjoying the warm weather near a lake or river, on a blanket, and they all are... on their phones. What even the fuck. I like tech too, maybe a bit obsessed yeah, but hell, I can get that shit under control when needed.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Not really interested in "the market". I'm rarely an asshole, almost never, but I do take pleasure in retaining the capability to become one as needed. I am never an asshole first. But if you insist in fucking with me, lying to me and trying the usual trickery, and I find out (I will find out), I will take vengeance in some way, yes, because such rebellious behaviors cannot be tolerated.
No worries, I abhor gruggness, I have my own Machiavellian, highly autistic, sophisticated methodology

Lol. Fine, but your comment I responded to said "you can be an asshole if you have the specs; go forth." Which is different than ^. I fully often endorse retributive assholery, and I reserve the right to engage in the same, judiciously.

My only issue is I think everyone forgets we are in a completely different boat than 1980. Most of the things put out into the world was very limited so lots of people have common interest like football. The problem with our modern world is there’s so many things you can get interested in and it makes their own subsections and cliques that can be hard to get into if you’re not a diehard fan.

I agree! But I related my observations of my zoomer kids because they/their peers I've observed do choose, to varying degrees, to have friends they see and spend time with in real life, and though some are on higher-octane social fuel than others, all the ones I have observed who have had real friends have also had flirtations and relationships by this point (let's call it 18-24 in age). Relatively small sample, and a fairly narrow racial, parental net worth/financial security, and physical appearance band, yes. But I was really just thinking that the lack of habit and exposure to social settings can be crippling to aspirations of dating, companionship, etc. Not a new thought - it's basically "touch grass" - but it seems to be at least a buffer to deep incel hopelessness and negativity and to longterm inability to connect.

It is really hard to relate to everyone too because every late millennial-zoomer is obsessed with technology, I have tried dragging people out of their homes to do things in the real world but most people I have met have just wanted to stay at home

Agree. So Too much originates in or is based around the too-easy availability of these machines that are always close, always on, and are configured and organized to absorb and demand nothing less than your undivided attention.

(I it’s also another symptom of the jobs yield little pay so no one can afford to go out).

And now we also have thousands of dollars/year going to tech/tech-adjacent things - the devices themselves, service/access, all the subscriptions, all the accessories, the short lifespan and easily lose-ability of thousand-dollar items - and that's just for a regular person using tech for basic services and entertainment, not even someone who is actually deep into tech as a hobby/interest. Tech is a monster that is speed running a win in an undeclared war against human things. A useful and enjoyable monster, but a corruptive and false-comfort monster nonetheless.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Honestly the old rules are gone and nobody knows what to replace them with, but I don't think the current model is sustainable. Marriage itself is on the decline so there's not really any incentive to settle down and have children, plus it's not like there'd be time for the working class parent to raise them properly anyway.

In a way, things are going back to nature, it's like one of those chimp tribes where the alpha chimp gets to mate with all the other chimps and fuck anyone who objects to the current state of affairs.

I get that not everyone is going to be able to get a decent partner (or at all in some cases) but there really isn't much of an alternative besides "work your shitty 9 to 5 and come home to some shitty overpriced broom closet" but hey, at least you can order DoorDash and jerk off to OnlyFans while your copes get increasingly useless.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Honestly the old rules are gone and nobody knows what to replace them with, but I don't think the current model is sustainable. Marriage itself is on the decline so there's not really any incentive to settle down and have children, plus it's not like there'd be time for the working class parent to raise them properly anyway.

In a way, things are going back to nature, it's like one of those chimp tribes where the alpha chimp gets to mate with all the other chimps and fuck anyone who objects to the current state of affairs.

I get that not everyone is going to be able to get a decent partner (or at all in some cases) but there really isn't much of an alternative besides "work your shitty 9 to 5 and come home to some shitty overpriced broom closet" but hey, at least you can order DoorDash and jerk off to OnlyFans while your copes get increasingly useless.

We cannot sustain a full half of our young men not reproducing or finding viable partners.
Bros....is it over?

 

[eatler]

We cannot sustain a full half of our young men not reproducing or finding viable partners.
Bros....is it over?

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

I don't think "incels" are all that common. I just think a lot of men don't have the proper avenues to socialize with women like they existed even 20 years ago. Everything is online nowadays. i do think it is possible to find some IRL hangouts, but that takes time and there is a definite luck factor in finding places where attractive, interesting women hangout. I don't think "it's so fucking over". I just think society is ignoring a lot of major problems that exist in the dating realm and using the incel label as an insult to shame people to accepting this shitty status quo. I do like technology, but we should keep a lot of important social avenues in the real world and use cyberspaces for more academic/business related endeavors.

 

[Duke Nukem]

We cannot sustain a full half of our young men not reproducing or finding viable partners.
Bros....is it over?

I wouldn't go that far just yet, but it's looking grim for the average guy. Marriage was, in a way, a method of guaranteeing that Farmer Joe has a fair chance of having a decent life partner as King Bob, who is already a paragon of wealth and power. Granted that kings and emperors have their fair share of concubines anyway but at least it was something.

Now King Bob might as well make the whole damn realm his concubines, because now Farmer Joe has no reason to farm anymore.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

I don't think "incels" are all that common. I just think a lot of men don't have the proper avenues to socialize with women like they existed even 20 years ago. Everything is online nowadays. i do think it is possible to find some IRL hangouts, but that takes time and there is a definite luck factor in finding places where attractive, interesting women hangout. I don't think "it's so fucking over". I just think society is ignoring a lot of major problems that exist in the dating realm and using the incel label as an insult to shame people to accepting this shitty status quo. I do like technology, but we should keep a lot of important social avenues in the real world and use cyberspaces for more academic/business related endeavors.

A very good point. You look at these incel meetups and it's just normal looking guys and a couple token women, for some reason.
These guys just need a place to socialize that isn't online, having to compete with Chads 100 miles away for women 2 miles away.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I don't think "incels" are all that common. I just think a lot of men don't have the proper avenues to socialize with women like they existed even 20 years ago. Everything is online nowadays. i do think it is possible to find some IRL hangouts, but that takes time and there is a definite luck factor in finding places where attractive, interesting women hangout. I don't think "it's so fucking over". I just think society is ignoring a lot of major problems that exist in the dating realm and using the incel label as an insult to shame people to accepting this shitty status quo. I do like technology, but we should keep a lot of important social avenues in the real world and use cyberspaces for more academic/business related endeavors.

This might be me simply getting old but I've noticed a lot of the under 30 guys have this attitude of giving up on the world any time they encounter a roadblock. I totally get it though, it's easier to rub one out to Twitch thots than it is to meet someone who might have something in common with you, who probably isn't even attracted to you in the first place.

What the fuck are zoomer babes into anyway?

 

[eatler]

What the fuck are zoomer babes into anyway?

They phones

 

[National Defense Advocate]

This might be me simply getting old but I've noticed a lot of the under 30 guys have this attitude of giving up on the world any time they encounter a roadblock. I totally get it though, it's easier to rub one out to Twitch thots than it is to meet someone who might have something in common with you, who probably isn't even attracted to you in the first place.

What the fuck are zoomer babes into anyway?

Political activism, concerts, dogs also, apparently.

Lotta fatties too. Not just slightly chubby, I mean morbidly obese.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Political activism, concerts, dogs also, apparently.

Lotta fatties too. Not just slightly chubby, I mean morbidly obese.

They phones

Sounds like Lucas Werner has his work cut out for him.

 

[Mr Bones Wild Ride]

I just think a lot of men don't have the proper avenues to socialize with women like they existed even 20 years ago.

What were these places that don't exist now or in some other form now?
Genuine question because I'm drawing a blank.

The older you get the harder it gets because most people start partnering off and the avenues you might have previously had (meeting through friends of friends, meeting through work) start to decrease.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

What were these places that don't exist now or in some other form now?
Genuine question because I'm drawing a blank.

The older you get the harder it gets because most people start partnering off and the avenues you might have previously had (meeting through friends of friends, meeting through work) start to decrease.

Malls, game rooms, rec centers, ect.
Malls are the big one, they're completely extinct nowadays.

 

[eatler]

Genuine question because I'm drawing a blank.

To add to MCs comment too there was a lot more people outside too at most times. The Internet was still super jank and people had decent cash to go other venues. Nowadays most people would rather spend a little more and have their food delivered directly to them. Not to say of course that this progress is a bad thing, it’s just something that helps people withdraw from society more. Coupled with a couple of headlines that the worlds going bad and most will never leave their house.