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Incels 30 times more likely to be autistic, study finds​

A link has been found between men who identify as being an “incel” and being autistic, in a major study.

Incels, which is a shortening of the term “involuntarily celibate”, are generally childless men in their 20s who are hostile to women.
They were found to be up to 30 times more likely to be autistic than the general population, according to the study published by the Centre for Countering Extremism (CCE), which advises ministers.

There has been some previous evidence suggesting a higher rate of autism among mass killers including Elliot Rodger, the incel murderer, who shot and stabbed six people to death, and among teenagers referred to the UK’s counter-terrorism Prevent programme.
The CCE study of 561 incels, by three leading academics, is the first to use clinical measures to assess levels of autism and provide hard evidence of a link based on questionnaires and psychological assessments.

It found that 30 per cent of them were at a level of autism where they should be referred to doctors for a medical diagnosis to establish their condition. That is around 30 times the rate of one in 100 in the general population who are on the autism spectrum.

Extremely poor mental health​

The researchers, led by criminologist Joe Whittaker of Swansea University, found that the incels they surveyed also suffered from “extremely poor” mental health with a high incidence of depression and suicidal thoughts.

Incels are estimated to number in the tens of thousands and have been behind terror attacks that have claimed 59 lives in the past decade.

“There is some troubling evidence that ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) may be a correlate, but not a cause, of extreme violent acts such as mass shootings like in the case of Elliot Rodger,” said the researchers.

Their study found a quarter (26 per cent) of their sample said they “sometimes” or “often” justified violence against people that incels perceived as causing harm.

Five per cent said it was “often” justified, and this subset was more likely to hold misogynistic views, feel discriminated against, have poorer mental health and a higher tendency to displace their aggression.

Because of their isolation, they often sought out fellow incels via encrypted anonymous social media platforms like 4chan or forums, where they could share grievances and develop strong social bonds.

“If the group supports violence, then it is possible to act as an incubator for individual violence,” said the report.

Incels and the far Right​

Many commentators have suggested a link between incels and the far Right but, using specialist research tools, the academics found that their sample was “slightly left of centre on average”.

However, those who held Right-wing views were more likely to agree that violence was “often” justified against people who threatened them.

The incels in the study acknowledged a “shared worldview” which included identifying feminists as a “primary enemy.” “Participants perceived high levels of victimhood, anger and misogyny,” said their report.

In an article for The Telegraph, Mr Whittaker said: “Radicalisation may require a ‘perfect storm’ of the right psychological predispositions and conditions, the right ideology to take hold, and the right people to communicate with and inflame each other.

“It is unlikely that one, or even two of the factors, leads to problematic beliefs or behaviours, but if all three are present, it may be a cause for concern.”

Most of the incels in the study considered themselves middle or lower-middle class, and most had gone to college, university or done some post-school further education. Most were either living at home or renting.

“The results suggest that interventions targeting mental health and ideology may yield more effective harm reduction than interventions targeting networking,” said the report.

Radicalisation requires perfect storm and autism is one factor​

By Joe Whittaker

Involuntary celibates have become something of a cultural cornerstone in recent years, particularly in the wake of three high-profile terrorist attacks in the US and Canada in 2018.

The word “incel” has entered popular vocabulary since these attacks and clear references to the subculture have been made in Hollywood films as diverse as Don’t Worry Darling and The Batman.

Often, the reaction when discussion turns to incels is to label them as women-hating losers who should be treated as a security threat. It is easy to see why people think this.

Anyone who has spent any time in incel spaces online knows that they are full of vile sexist comments, regularly justifying appalling or degrading acts. This view of incels, while understandable, misses an important component of inceldom.

Alongside my colleagues William Costello and Andrew Thomas at University of Texas, Austin and Swansea University respectively, I have conducted a survey of 561 self-professed incels – the largest survey of the online subculture to date. We wanted to understand their psychological experiences, their adherence to incel ‘ideology’, and the ways in which they communicated with like-minded people.

Our starkest finding is that incels suffer from exceptionally poor mental health. When measured by the PHQ-9 questionnaire used by the NHS, just over 40 per cent received a score which would suggest “moderately severe” depression or higher. Around one in five (20 per cent) said that they had suicidal thoughts on a daily basis. They also had extremely high levels of anxiety; four in ten hit the threshold for a medical referral. In this group, those who had poor mental health were more likely to adhere to an incel worldview.

The incels in our study showed high levels of neurodiversity. When given an autism screening questionnaire slightly more than three in ten scored high and hit the threshold for a specialist diagnostic assessment for autism. As around 80 per cent of people who are referred for this assessment are diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder, we can infer that around one in four of the incels studied (25 per cent) are autistic. The rate of autism in the general public is estimated to be around 1 per cent. Autism may have a direct relationship to incel ideology; it is a common trope on incel forums to blame their neurodiversity for their lack of success finding a partner.

Neurodiversity does not cause radicalisation​

It is important to stress that neither poor mental health nor neurodiversity causes radicalisation, and it is not an excuse for anything that incels say or do. However, they play an important role when we statistically predict certain types of problematic attitudes (such as the justification of violence, hostile sexism, acceptance of rape myths, and revenge planning). Poor mental health, adherence to the incel worldview, and communication with other incels all predict these harmful attitudes, demonstrating a complex relationship.

To put this more simply, radicalisation may require a “perfect storm” of the right psychological predispositions and conditions, the right ideology to take hold, and the right people to communicate with and inflame each other. This is what Psychologist Arie Kruglanski has called the “3Ns” of radicalisation: Needs, Narrative, and Network. It is unlikely that one, or even two of the factors lead to problematic beliefs or behaviours, but if all three are present, it may be a cause for concern.

We also found that there was a strong relationship between incel’s mental health and their adherence to a shared worldview. They believed that the dating market was rigged against them because the vast majority of women were interested in only the most attractive, rich, and high-status men. They think they were discriminated against by society and that their biggest enemies were feminists and the political Left. However, poor mental health predicted these beliefs, suggesting that the two operate in tandem and exacerbate each other, and leading to the formation of harmful attitudes.

These findings offer a window for thinking about how we intervene when incels display problematic attitudes. Currently, incels are included in the UK’s Counter-Terrorism Prevent Strategy, making up around 1 per cent of referrals. Our findings suggest social care provision and effective mental health programmes may be the best method of intervention, but it is vital that counter-terrorism practitioners also have a robust knowledge of mental health and neurodiversity.

It is not merely enough to challenge the incel worldview, but rather we must understand and tackle the factors that help it to take root.
 
lol, I see what you did there. I was just trying to paint a broad picture of the economy for most of human civilization. However I'm not naive enough to think that I could run a farm by myself today never mind some woman off the street, for one I don't have near the capitol and even if I did you need to be a diesel mechanic, a meteorologist, a geologist, a shrewd businessman with impeccable risk assessment... and I'm not even getting into livestock and all that dirty work for scant returns.

More than that. I've said it before: feminism is about the desire for women to have what men have without accounting for a vastly smaller number of men that want what women have.

Women who elevate themselves find they are competing for the small pool of "better" men, leaving "lesser" men behind when it used to be you didn't have the vast array of options and settling for what was available was not just fine, it was accepted.

Consequently, women won't settle because they're under the impression that they don't have to.

But feminists will say women are most affected by this, I suppose.

Yeah but all this stuff is downstream of 2nd wave feminism and the soft economy of paper pushing and academic pursuit in the 60's onward and birth control. Those selection traits are normal in women but we have broken the natural balance with economic and political meddling and to some degree sheer affluence.

Men are supposed to bring money in and women are supposed to spend it on the household. As soon as you give women the political/economic power to replace daddy or a husband with the state then instincts start misfiring and everything goes off the rails. It manifests in everything from reckless entitlement spending, to education, to corporate culture, to the dissolution of the family unit... Pathological altruism, groupthink, susceptibility to propaganda, state access to children, affirmative action, the nanny state.. all of it is downstream of the 19th.
 
I think feminism exacerbates the problem...snip
These are interesting points pulling back to a macro level, but I think there's another slightly more obvious point: autists and "rules".

Broadly, they can't, or can't easily (depending on the autism level) intuit social situation so rules govern their interactions, perhaps self taught by watching if not super autistic, or taught by others if too autistic to make useful observations by watching.

Feminism, at least as currently constituted, creates a set of rules that to be successful you basically have to ignore, but most importantly, they will not stop screaming that these are in fact the rules, we like it when you follow them, and it's very important you follow them. What changed was those "rules" got stupider and easier for psychos to ruin someone over thanks to social media, while the HR mechanism got more powerful with its adoption of increasingly bizarre concepts and buzzwords with which to make new rules.

The autist looks at these rules, takes them at face value, and when the rules as told to them don't work (because they aren't supposed to at least as bleated onto the page) hey presto, there's another factor.

Strictly speaking unrelated to incels specifically: don't poke the proverbial landslide zone of what increasing and very public unpunished lawlessness will do to people like this, it's a bit of a scary rabbit hole to ponder because there's a few lessons, none of them good, that autists can learn from this type of behavior.
 
CCE study of 561 incels
Wow what a great and totally not useless sample size. This surely wasn't made for loose justification censorship and scare mongering over ""radicalization"" of anyone the researchers/journalists had a issue with.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if the social retards had a condition that made them literal social retards.
Although, most in my experience suffer more from broken households than anything else.
 
These are interesting points pulling back to a macro level, but I think there's another slightly more obvious point: autists and "rules".

Broadly, they can't, or can't easily (depending on the autism level) intuit social situation so rules govern their interactions, perhaps self taught by watching if not super autistic, or taught by others if too autistic to make useful observations by watching.

Feminism, at least as currently constituted, creates a set of rules that to be successful you basically have to ignore, but most importantly, they will not stop screaming that these are in fact the rules, we like it when you follow them, and it's very important you follow them. What changed was those "rules" got stupider and easier for psychos to ruin someone over thanks to social media, while the HR mechanism got more powerful with its adoption of increasingly bizarre concepts and buzzwords with which to make new rules.

The autist looks at these rules, takes them at face value, and when the rules as told to them don't work (because they aren't supposed to at least as bleated onto the page) hey presto, there's another factor.

Strictly speaking unrelated to incels specifically: don't poke the proverbial landslide zone of what increasing and very public unpunished lawlessness will do to people like this, it's a bit of a scary rabbit hole to ponder because there's a few lessons, none of them good, that autists can learn from this type of behavior.

Yeah 100% and the rules used to be the actual rules and everything was formalized through the court, the church, arranged marriages, no fault divorce did not exist.... Also only women could come up with something like feminism, with all it's circular logic and truisms. It's completely incomprehensible and incohesive on purpose, like scripture it's doctrines are to be cherry picked to suit your immediate emotional demands and condemn whoever opposes you. It's texts are meant to justify bra burning and political lesbianism not be a cohesive philosophy, code of behavior or mode of governance.
 
As the subject of the article, the reason why spergs are so easily radicalized is because we can’t connect without some kind of common interests. Extreme ideological subgroups are ideal because they naturally repulse normal people away, and you’re left with obsessive users to feed each other’s hyperfixation. Also, at least for me, the image of one’s self is disconnected so it leads to observe one’s body from a weird perspective, which feeds into looksmaxxing and gender dysphoria.
 
“There is some troubling evidence that ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) may be a correlate, but not a cause, of extreme violent acts such as mass shootings like in the case of Elliot Rodger,” said the researchers.
Just think, maybe one day we will be able to abort autistic fetuses and keep normal people from being killed like this.
Because of their isolation, they often sought out fellow incels via encrypted anonymous social media platforms like 4chan or forums, where they could share grievances and develop strong social bonds.
I guess the author didn't know forums and message boards are both their own thing and not encrypted.
Many commentators have suggested a link between incels and the far Right but, using specialist research tools, the academics found that their sample was “slightly left of centre on average”.
Muh state mandated waifus.
Anyone who has spent any time in incel spaces online knows that they are full of vile sexist comments, regularly justifying appalling or degrading acts.
I read an incel post that claimed he loved his cat but let her outside and she got hit and killed by a car but he doesn't care because femoid cat.
no office economy
Most women don't work in offices, they work in retail and services like childcare, spas, house cleaning, elder care etc.
I'm pretty sure this a big part of why dowries exist.
They don't work out well. Look at India.
Women who elevate themselves find they are competing for the small pool of "better" men, leaving "lesser" men behind when it used to be you didn't have the vast array of options and settling for what was available was not just fine, it was accepted.
Incel propaganda.
Wow what a great and totally not useless sample size. This surely wasn't made for loose justification censorship and scare mongering over ""radicalization"" of anyone the researchers/journalists had a issue with.
The study author was pretty clear that these people need mental healthcare and that counter terrorism orgs need to understand their autism better.
 
> incels more likely to be autistic.

Wouldn't be more "autists are more likely to be incels"?
Naah. 'Incels are autists' is a statement against an ideology they want to attack. 'Autists are incels' could be seen as an insult towards mentally disabled people.
Even though they are expressing the same data linking autism to inceldom, the optics change depending on what you lead the sentence with.
 
Most women don't work in offices, they work in retail and services like childcare, spas, house cleaning, elder care etc.
In the 60's (before Hart Cellar got going) retail would have been for teenagers and students and young women. Also child-care, house cleaning and to some extent elder care are all industries downstream of women in the professional workplace. The stay at home mom outside the au pair class raises her own children and does her own housework. Nursing has always been a women's profession and I think that stems from efficiency in war. Also a lot of women with older kids work part time. The main problem I'm concerned with here is the rise of dedicated, full time spinsters and that can be traced back to academia in the 60's/70's and the general economic shift away from manufacturing and into digital services and administration. Women are the majority of college graduates after all (even if they choose near unemployable degrees and end up in services). The system wants this because school is an indoctrination center and the longer you are there the longer you put off having children.

They don't work out well. Look at India.
Yeah, I didn't marry my wife for her goats. Although I could go for a vindaloo.
 
There are two factors at play here.

1. Being physically unattractive leads to a life of being overlooked and sometimes rejected (inverse of the halo effect). This, in turn, leads to depression, lack of confidence and "autistic" traits.

2. Being genetically predisposed to depression and "autistic" behaviour patterns will decrease your popularity with women and people in general.

Of course, mainstream society likes to hang its hat on point 2. In fact, they don't even reduce it to genetic predisposition; they would say that far right extremists like Jordan Peterson and Peter Boghossian corrupted the incels. And the incels like to hang their hat on point 1, although they do acknowledge the existence of the "mentalcel".

In truth, poor physical form is often an indicator of poor mental health, and poor health in general, because both result from high mutational load. The two go hand in hand. Physiognomy is real.
 
I think feminism exacerbates the problem. In the past pairing off was taken more seriously, women couldn't just go run a farm by themselves or join mercenary bands. There was no state to take care of them, no office economy. It was either be a prostitute, join a convent, be a burden on your parents until they die and leave you old and destitute or get hitched. Mom and dad wanted their daughters paired off, I'm pretty sure this a big part of why dowries exist. There is pressure on the bookish daughter to try to find her a man who can provide for her, eccentricities be damned.

On the other hand if you were a poor autist you were probably working in a mine, transiting the sea, or in a monastery or something and everyone around you would be celibate too and it would be considered perfectly normal... and a lot of those types would have wives that they barely saw most of the year but hey she needs a provider and he needs a port of call.
You are either too young or too stupid to realize how ridiculous what you posted here is.
 
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