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Incels 30 times more likely to be autistic, study finds​

A link has been found between men who identify as being an “incel” and being autistic, in a major study.

Incels, which is a shortening of the term “involuntarily celibate”, are generally childless men in their 20s who are hostile to women.
They were found to be up to 30 times more likely to be autistic than the general population, according to the study published by the Centre for Countering Extremism (CCE), which advises ministers.

There has been some previous evidence suggesting a higher rate of autism among mass killers including Elliot Rodger, the incel murderer, who shot and stabbed six people to death, and among teenagers referred to the UK’s counter-terrorism Prevent programme.
The CCE study of 561 incels, by three leading academics, is the first to use clinical measures to assess levels of autism and provide hard evidence of a link based on questionnaires and psychological assessments.

It found that 30 per cent of them were at a level of autism where they should be referred to doctors for a medical diagnosis to establish their condition. That is around 30 times the rate of one in 100 in the general population who are on the autism spectrum.

Extremely poor mental health​

The researchers, led by criminologist Joe Whittaker of Swansea University, found that the incels they surveyed also suffered from “extremely poor” mental health with a high incidence of depression and suicidal thoughts.

Incels are estimated to number in the tens of thousands and have been behind terror attacks that have claimed 59 lives in the past decade.

“There is some troubling evidence that ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) may be a correlate, but not a cause, of extreme violent acts such as mass shootings like in the case of Elliot Rodger,” said the researchers.

Their study found a quarter (26 per cent) of their sample said they “sometimes” or “often” justified violence against people that incels perceived as causing harm.

Five per cent said it was “often” justified, and this subset was more likely to hold misogynistic views, feel discriminated against, have poorer mental health and a higher tendency to displace their aggression.

Because of their isolation, they often sought out fellow incels via encrypted anonymous social media platforms like 4chan or forums, where they could share grievances and develop strong social bonds.

“If the group supports violence, then it is possible to act as an incubator for individual violence,” said the report.

Incels and the far Right​

Many commentators have suggested a link between incels and the far Right but, using specialist research tools, the academics found that their sample was “slightly left of centre on average”.

However, those who held Right-wing views were more likely to agree that violence was “often” justified against people who threatened them.

The incels in the study acknowledged a “shared worldview” which included identifying feminists as a “primary enemy.” “Participants perceived high levels of victimhood, anger and misogyny,” said their report.

In an article for The Telegraph, Mr Whittaker said: “Radicalisation may require a ‘perfect storm’ of the right psychological predispositions and conditions, the right ideology to take hold, and the right people to communicate with and inflame each other.

“It is unlikely that one, or even two of the factors, leads to problematic beliefs or behaviours, but if all three are present, it may be a cause for concern.”

Most of the incels in the study considered themselves middle or lower-middle class, and most had gone to college, university or done some post-school further education. Most were either living at home or renting.

“The results suggest that interventions targeting mental health and ideology may yield more effective harm reduction than interventions targeting networking,” said the report.

Radicalisation requires perfect storm and autism is one factor​

By Joe Whittaker

Involuntary celibates have become something of a cultural cornerstone in recent years, particularly in the wake of three high-profile terrorist attacks in the US and Canada in 2018.

The word “incel” has entered popular vocabulary since these attacks and clear references to the subculture have been made in Hollywood films as diverse as Don’t Worry Darling and The Batman.

Often, the reaction when discussion turns to incels is to label them as women-hating losers who should be treated as a security threat. It is easy to see why people think this.

Anyone who has spent any time in incel spaces online knows that they are full of vile sexist comments, regularly justifying appalling or degrading acts. This view of incels, while understandable, misses an important component of inceldom.

Alongside my colleagues William Costello and Andrew Thomas at University of Texas, Austin and Swansea University respectively, I have conducted a survey of 561 self-professed incels – the largest survey of the online subculture to date. We wanted to understand their psychological experiences, their adherence to incel ‘ideology’, and the ways in which they communicated with like-minded people.

Our starkest finding is that incels suffer from exceptionally poor mental health. When measured by the PHQ-9 questionnaire used by the NHS, just over 40 per cent received a score which would suggest “moderately severe” depression or higher. Around one in five (20 per cent) said that they had suicidal thoughts on a daily basis. They also had extremely high levels of anxiety; four in ten hit the threshold for a medical referral. In this group, those who had poor mental health were more likely to adhere to an incel worldview.

The incels in our study showed high levels of neurodiversity. When given an autism screening questionnaire slightly more than three in ten scored high and hit the threshold for a specialist diagnostic assessment for autism. As around 80 per cent of people who are referred for this assessment are diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder, we can infer that around one in four of the incels studied (25 per cent) are autistic. The rate of autism in the general public is estimated to be around 1 per cent. Autism may have a direct relationship to incel ideology; it is a common trope on incel forums to blame their neurodiversity for their lack of success finding a partner.

Neurodiversity does not cause radicalisation​

It is important to stress that neither poor mental health nor neurodiversity causes radicalisation, and it is not an excuse for anything that incels say or do. However, they play an important role when we statistically predict certain types of problematic attitudes (such as the justification of violence, hostile sexism, acceptance of rape myths, and revenge planning). Poor mental health, adherence to the incel worldview, and communication with other incels all predict these harmful attitudes, demonstrating a complex relationship.

To put this more simply, radicalisation may require a “perfect storm” of the right psychological predispositions and conditions, the right ideology to take hold, and the right people to communicate with and inflame each other. This is what Psychologist Arie Kruglanski has called the “3Ns” of radicalisation: Needs, Narrative, and Network. It is unlikely that one, or even two of the factors lead to problematic beliefs or behaviours, but if all three are present, it may be a cause for concern.

We also found that there was a strong relationship between incel’s mental health and their adherence to a shared worldview. They believed that the dating market was rigged against them because the vast majority of women were interested in only the most attractive, rich, and high-status men. They think they were discriminated against by society and that their biggest enemies were feminists and the political Left. However, poor mental health predicted these beliefs, suggesting that the two operate in tandem and exacerbate each other, and leading to the formation of harmful attitudes.

These findings offer a window for thinking about how we intervene when incels display problematic attitudes. Currently, incels are included in the UK’s Counter-Terrorism Prevent Strategy, making up around 1 per cent of referrals. Our findings suggest social care provision and effective mental health programmes may be the best method of intervention, but it is vital that counter-terrorism practitioners also have a robust knowledge of mental health and neurodiversity.

It is not merely enough to challenge the incel worldview, but rather we must understand and tackle the factors that help it to take root.
 
Is "wahh I can't get pussy" really an ideology?

Unfortunately, yes.

MGTOW is another variant of said ideology, combined with sour grapes.

Feminism is just an ideology for women who never outgrew their "boys are yucky" phase, or are angry that no self-respecting man wants to dick them. Or both.

The whole thing is a completely unnecessary battle of the sexes.
 
Kinda obvious. Even if you are a fat ugly fucking four foot tall bastard you can just buy a whore. I can get people saying fuck it and just jerking off after a bad divorce but if you wanna be fucked you can be fucked.
 
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Since the 1970s, governments and policymakers have been not-so-secretly obsessed with population control, ever since Paul Ehrlich's 1968 book The Population Bomb, as well as the Club of Rome's Limits to Growth report and the MIT World3 study. The so-called Kissinger Report from 1974 - which claimed that global overpopulation was a dire national security issue - was adopted as policy the following year, and it was kept secret until the document was obtained by researchers over a decade later.

From this point of view, attacking human fertility by providing ready access to birth control and abortion and limiting access to homeownership, marriage, conception, and so forth is a rational decision. In this framework, women's bodies are a resource to keep plebeian males away from, just like any other resource, like water, or food, or rare earth minerals. A large population of restless, childless males is not an accident, but an intentional product of population control. The promotion of LGBT lifestyles as an alternative to straight sexuality and a means of stress relief for the population can only go so far; no matter how hard you propagandize people into it, LGBT eventually reaches a saturation point, leaving behind a large population of unfulfilled and sexually inactive straight people, a trend that the authorities perceive as dangerous.

Governments are desperately employing behavioral psychology and systems theory to try and manage this population by any means necessary. The obvious answer, for autistic incels who are simply incapable of forming healthy relationships, is to give them remedial lessons in courtship, and so on. However, the reason why this isn't done is because helping incels find mates and multiply is actually a failure mode of population control policy. The government does not want these men to impregnate women, or, for that matter, to even exist except as a disposable temporary workforce. Therefore, the interventions sought by the State are invariably aimed at curing these men of their sexual desires by some means or another, such as "ideological intervention", access to free pornography, distraction with video games, drugs to suppress libidinous urges, and so on. They know that depression and SSRI use both negatively impact the sex drive. That's why they encourage them. In fact, there has recently been a scandal over the fact that SSRIs don't treat depression any better than a placebo, and the chemical imbalance theory of depression may be completely wrong. The State and pharma entities pushing SSRIs have likely known this for decades, but kept it under wraps because they knew SSRIs were useful as a population control measure, to suppress the human sex drive.

The incel problem doesn't even begin to make sense until you recognize that the ruling class of Neo-Malthusians view humans not only as a convenient source of labor, but as a pest species to be poked and prodded and poisoned into submission and kept down to manageable numbers. If you're busy going, "Oh, I'm so lonely! Why can't I breeeeeed?! Why can't I afford a single-family zoned 3000-square-foot nest so I can settle in and BREEEEEEEEEEEED?!?!?!?!", then the system is working exactly as intended.

Note how often discussions about incels and inceldom - military-age males with no wife, no kids, no future, and nothing to lose - veers off into describing them as a national security threat. It seems almost absurd. Those people are the nation. They are fellow citizens, whose basic needs for companionship and sustenance have been underserved. However, this commonsensical perception of the nation and its population being one and the same only applies to the old classical liberal bourgeois state, or to blood-and-soil fascism. The modern Administrative State - run, as it is, by finger-steepling professional-managerial class eunuchs hunched over actuarial tables and armed with cybernetic algorithms and behavioral psych manuscripts - is a thing-unto-itself that needs no actual population aside from the number needed to maintain its basic functions. In fact, the Administrative State requires ongoing protection from a population of hostile and dispossessed males.

The reason why the Administrative State classifies these men as hostile, dangerous, abusive sex pests who want to drag women kicking and screaming into the plot of Handmaid's Tale is simply so it can enlist women into its struggle for dominance. The system tugs women's ears, whispering that all the privileges they now possess, such as opting out of marriage and joining the workforce, are a result of progress from a society run by the largesse and bluster of aggressive and sexually exploitative males, to one where decisions are made communally, by consensus, and that if the current system is not preserved, then we'll slide back a century on women's rights, gay rights, rights for minorities, et cetera. In short, the thesis of the Administrative State is that if a Western nation were to collapse into a civil war due to a large radicalized population, the most likely outcome is that the communitarian, neoliberal Administrative State of bean-counters would be replaced by a patriarchal, authoritarian, and backwards theocracy, like Iran.

The modern Administrative State is deeply illiberal, does not care about your humanity or dignity, does not see you as an equal partner in the political process, and is concerned primarily with the minutiae of human cattle management through the lens of systems theory. Its chief nexus of power is biopolitics. That is, producing useful human minds and bodies that serve its cyclopean and inscrutable aims, rather than facilitating human agency and self-actualization at an individual level. This is, of course, why DARPA and Elon Musk and all the rest are so interested in brain chips. If one could simply delete the sexual desires, depression, and autism from men's brains, you could convert them into a useful, productive, and obedient workforce and eliminate the existential threat to the Administrative State in one fell swoop. The Administrative State, is, in turn, the apparatus which facilitates capital's access to global labor pools, more or less. If incels had half a brain, they wouldn't be attacking women and feminism. They would be going after the Administrative State itself.





 
Superb summary, above, by @Drain Todger [can't reply directly]. To the skeptical, doubt all you want, but this fucker can prove every word - he's done his homework, and he has the receipts, as they say. Timely post for me, personally, because it addresses something that's been bothering me for a while now. See, I'd like to think of myself as some sort of edgy rebel, that I'm living a life of glamorous low-key danger, skirting society in the shadows, every day dodging death; a target on my back, for going against The System (or some stupid fantasy like that - too many Bond movies as a kid, perhaps). However, it did recently occur to me that, from the point of view of the Administrative State, I'm a model fucking citizen. Atomized, isolated, depressed/demoralized, no wife, no kids, no property; I own nothing and, whilst not exactly happy, I am quite content with a 'minimalist' lifestyle - which I tell myself I freely choose/chose - self-tranquilizing with (depending on which phase of life you care to pick) drink, drugs, vidya, drugs, television, porn, drugs, sex/wahmens, drugs, and drugs. [I'd like to note that, these days, I'm more of a volcel than an incel, btw. Also, did I mention drugs?] Edit: guess what my average daily commute is, from my rented pod. Less than fifteen minutes. Walking, or by bicycle. And I like it that way. So much so, that I'm fucking smug about it. /Edit. Anyway, I'd like to think I'm resistant to propaganda, that I'm too big-brained and above it all, to fall for stupid gayops. But I don't think that's the case, I think I'm hyper-sensitive to that shit. I think I was an early adopter. I was [am?] way ahead of the curve - just not in the sense that I thought. I didn't think I could get got, but I think they fuckin' got me, good and proper. I think that I'm living proof of Todger's thesis.

So, what to do? Tried everything else; religion it is, then, lol. And, being ahead of the curve, expect a lot of zealotry and fanaticism, dear reader, in the broader population, in the coming decade(s). I'm on the brink of full-on religious mania, as it is, so if I'm sneezing, expect lots more chucklefucks to come down with the same. Could just be the weed, though...
 
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MGTOW is another variant of said ideology, combined with sour grapes.
That pretty much sums it up and is why the retards from the Women-Hate Thread are so obnoxious and unlikable. It's also why things like Mgtow and American First never make any progress as an ideology and are instead mocked as a joke.

They're hypocrites because they act almost exactly the same as the women they complain about only a man(or man baby) whining is ten times more annoying than a woman whining. It's always so painfully obvious why they hate women and it's because they are insufferable losers who scare any and all people away. Look at any post from the Woman-Hate thread and ask yourself, "Is this a person I would want to hang out with?" And the answer is always no because they come across as smarmy, fart-huffing retards.

They'll repeat the same shit that's been said 1000 times from 4Chan as if it's somehow a new and clever observation when it's just a ploy to get up votes and adds nothing of value to a conversation because they need the validation. You see almost the exact same behavior from the Trannies on Reddit which is also why the Tranny to incel pipeline exsists.

They'll also make fun of women which would be fine, but they get genuinely angry and start sperging if they get made fun of back. Even just disagreeing with them makes them act pissy and catty like a woman. Anybody that acts serious all the time and can't take a joke is an asshole nobody wants to be around.

TLDR: Incels are unlikable losers who always have to find some arbitrary reason why people don't like them when they themselves are the reason people don't like them.
 
That pretty much sums it up and is why the retards from the Women-Hate Thread are so obnoxious and unlikable. It's also why things like Mgtow and American First never make any progress as an ideology and are instead mocked as a joke.

They're hypocrites because they act almost exactly the same as the women they complain about only a man(or man baby) whining is ten times more annoying than a woman whining. It's always so painfully obvious why they hate women and it's because they are insufferable losers who scare any and all people away. Look at any post from the Woman-Hate thread and ask yourself, "Is this a person I would want to hang out with?" And the answer is always no because they come across as smarmy, fart-huffing retards.

They'll repeat the same shit that's been said 1000 times from 4Chan as if it's somehow a new and clever observation when it's just a ploy to get up votes and adds nothing of value to a conversation because they need the validation. You see almost the exact same behavior from the Trannies on Reddit which is also why the Tranny to incel pipeline exsists.

They'll also make fun of women which would be fine, but they get genuinely angry and start sperging if they get made fun of back. Even just disagreeing with them makes them act pissy and catty like a woman. Anybody that acts serious all the time and can't take a joke is an asshole nobody wants to be around.

TLDR: Incels are unlikable losers who always have to find some arbitrary reason why people don't like them when they themselves are the reason people don't like them.
Just to be clear: rated Feels, because I felt that. Where's the Woman-Hate thread, anyway, sounds like I'd fit right in.
 
Isn't a good amount of feminism complaining people don't want to fuck fat girls, or suck the girldick?

This is Andrea Dorkin, pillar of feminist epistemology:

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Does that answer your question?

Although TBH it's all over the place. A good portion is the complete dissolution of motherhood and family masked as 'liberation.' Which dove tails into communism and the state owning children as means to achieve this end. There is a bunch of psuedo-spiritual, pseudo-scientific, metaphorical mumbo jumbo about the masculine or feminine qualities of some field of study or inanimate object/tool and how that makes it oppressive or exclusionary. Ironically given the photo above IIRC a lot of Andreas work is just using the existence of rape as political fodder to justify any opinion she wishes. There is a lot of constructivist utopian thinking about how everything would be perfect if women held all the cards and if only we could really 'educate' the kids. Oh and don't forget countless justifications for taking a hover vacuum to the unborn.

Feminism in academia is every bit as ridiculous as the rest of grievance studies, anything an African American Studies professor has tried to pull a feminist has already pulled. They are insulated from all criticism, completely autonomous, have a ton of undeserved influence and produce nothing but activist clones of themselves to poison another generation... much like any other cancer. If you replaced Black Studies with White Studies people would be appalled at the rhetoric and if you replace Women's Studies with Men's Studies you would have much the same situation. It's just taboo to do so because in the 60's everyone was too high on acid and globalism to actually deal with these marxist harpies.

The Fed gave this buzzword salad something like a $450K grant IIRC, I don't even need to read past the abstract to know that was not money well spent:

Glaciers are key icons of climate change and global environmental change. However, the relationships among gender, science, and glaciers – particularly related to epistemological questions about the production of glaciological knowledge – remain understudied. This paper thus proposes a feminist glaciology framework with four key components: 1) knowledge producers; (2) gendered science and knowledge; (3) systems of scientific domination; and (4) alternative representations of glaciers. Merging feminist postcolonial science studies and feminist political ecology, the feminist glaciology framework generates robust analysis of gender, power, and epistemologies in dynamic social-ecological systems, thereby leading to more just and equitable science and human-ice interactions.
 
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