Is DIY Smokeless powder possible?

[Vx1]

The title says it all. Please discuss. Where could you source the ingredients if not freely available for purchase? Any alternatives that are still smokeless? Whats the process in laymans terms? I've researched this a decent bit without success. On survivalist forums all you see is "too dangerous, just stick to black powder".

 

[Devious Dave]

It's just not practical to make smokeless on a small scale by a individual from everything I've read and watched
Your only option is black powder and home made primers

 

[Vx1]

It's just not practical to make smokeless on a small scale by a individual from everything I've read and watched
Your only option is black powder and home made primers

Who first made smokeless and where did they source materials? Surely if some guy in the early 1900s accomplished it on a small scale, we could. Really the biggest question is how could you DIY nitric acid? From there gun cotton could be produced.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

"survivalist forums say it's unfeasible but I'm unwilling to accept that answer"
"It is unfeasible"
"I am unwilling to accept that answer"
Shine on you crazy diamond.

 

[Vx1]

"survivalist forums say it's unfeasible but I'm unwilling to accept that answer"
"It is unfeasible"
"I am unwilling to accept that answer"
Shine on you crazy diamond.

I've done the unfeasible before. I never buy that shit. I guarantee you that there is a way but people treating it like some sort of alchemy or magic doesn't help.

 

[Devious Dave]

I've done the unfeasible before. I never buy that shit. I guarantee you that there is a way but people treating it like some sort of alchemy or magic doesn't help.

Okay man you should go out and make some

 

[Vx1]

Okay man you should go out and make some

That's the goal of this here thread bud.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

I've done the unfeasible before. I never buy that shit. I guarantee you that there is a way but people treating it like some sort of alchemy or magic doesn't help.

Genuinely a good mindset, you figure it out and you're set.

 

[Casshern]

It should be noted that just because “some guy” (in this case, Paul Vieille) invented it in the 19th century, doesn’t mean it’s feasible to produce at home. However, that doesn’t mean it’s not interesting to learn and impossible to make at home; you simply have to keep expectations about quality and price down. Here’s a recipe I found online, and here’s a more scholarly source that may help.

After researching it myself, I can safely conclude: don’t fucking load it into guns. Guns are a pressurized vessel and if not properly released will literally blow up in your face. Smokeless powder IS infeasible to produce at even 19th century manufacturing standards at home by yourself, and it would be dangerous to reload using DIY powder. If you do decide that reloading via DIY powder is so important (as opposed to simply buying and storing a large personal supply), then be my guest.

 

[Cactus Nibba]

It depends what your goal is. If you want to make some as an experiment without regard for things like purity and consistency, it's very possible. If you want to source your own powder for reloading, you'll die.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

Ok well how about a home railgun? Crank charged.

 

[Bloodthirsty Nosenigger]

I've researched this a decent bit without success.

Nigger, you've got google, wikipedia, and a hundred years worth of patent literature at your fingertips.
And yet, you still need to ask basic question like "how do I make HNO3"?

Well, here's your answer: You don't. If you need to get basic information via spoonfeeding, you're not the kind of person who should meddle with explosives.

 

[temeluchus]

I mean if you want to blow yourself up, try making pyrodex. Formula is available online and it is (more) smokeless.

 

[Doctor Love]

Well, here's your answer: You don't. If you need to get basic information via spoonfeeding, you're not the kind of person who should meddle with explosives.

Now, now - there's no reason to turn down an opportunity. Guinea pigs are in short supply and honestly, I could use one.

I've done the unfeasible before. I never buy that shit. I guarantee you that there is a way but people treating it like some sort of alchemy or magic doesn't help.

What sort of equipment do you have, first of all - and what kind of skills/background? Tools, materials, need a QRD on that.

The process is relatively simple - it's a mixture of nitric acid and sulphuric acid, at a 1:1 volumetric ratio. It makes some nasty fumes, it's very unpleasant to deal with, and if you survive I would like you to report back.

 

[Doctor Love]

Really the biggest question is how could you DIY nitric acid?

Ah yes you have definitely come to the right place.

There's two, depending on your resources. If you have access to nitrates, like most Americans do, you can probably get sulphuric acid too. Salt metathesis reactions can be used to get hydrochloric and nitric acid from a salt - obviously, chloride and nitrate salts - by mixing it with sulphuric acid.

The sulphuric acid's SO4 ion switches places with the Cl or NO3 ion of the salt, producing a mixture. It's best to then distil that acid away in manageable quantities - hence, what kind of equipment can you actually use? If you don't have a distiller, there's still a huge difference in boiling points between sulphuric and HCl/HNO3, so you can still distil them - just make sure it's airtight.

Depending on how DIY you go - if you have the right skillset, you could probably go right to the beginning. That takes welding, forging, metalworking and glassblowing skills - but in its essence, you can make most shit from seawater, air and plants if you have enough energy.

Nigger, you've got google, wikipedia, and a hundred years worth of patent literature at your fingertips.
And yet, you still need to ask basic question like "how do I make HNO3"?

Well, here's your answer: You don't. If you need to get basic information via spoonfeeding, you're not the kind of person who should meddle with explosives.

>Americanisms

My great granddad fought at the Somme before he was old enough to drink. If you can expect people to breath mustard gas, then you can trust them to make it too.

 

[Vx1]

It should be noted that just because “some guy” (in this case, Paul Vieille) invented it in the 19th century, doesn’t mean it’s feasible to produce at home. However, that doesn’t mean it’s not interesting to learn and impossible to make at home; you simply have to keep expectations about quality and price down. Here’s a recipe I found online, and here’s a more scholarly source that may help.

After researching it myself, I can safely conclude: don’t fucking load it into guns. Guns are a pressurized vessel and if not properly released will literally blow up in your face. Smokeless powder IS infeasible to produce at even 19th century manufacturing standards at home by yourself, and it would be dangerous to reload using DIY powder. If you do decide that reloading via DIY powder is so important (as opposed to simply buying and storing a large personal supply), then be my guest.

Thank you for an actual answer

Nigger, you've got google, wikipedia, and a hundred years worth of patent literature at your fingertips.
And yet, you still need to ask basic question like "how do I make HNO3"?

Well, here's your answer: You don't. If you need to get basic information via spoonfeeding, you're not the kind of person who should meddle with explosives.

Ok I didn't think I needed to specify this but if you're a faggot trying to stroke your ego and talk shit instead of answer the question then DONT RESPOND TO THE THREAD.

Ah yes you have definitely come to the right place.

There's two, depending on your resources. If you have access to nitrates, like most Americans do, you can probably get sulphuric acid too. Salt metathesis reactions can be used to get hydrochloric and nitric acid from a salt - obviously, chloride and nitrate salts - by mixing it with sulphuric acid.

The sulphuric acid's SO4 ion switches places with the Cl or NO3 ion of the salt, producing a mixture. It's best to then distil that acid away in manageable quantities - hence, what kind of equipment can you actually use? If you don't have a distiller, there's still a huge difference in boiling points between sulphuric and HCl/HNO3, so you can still distil them - just make sure it's airtight.

Depending on how DIY you go - if you have the right skillset, you could probably go right to the beginning. That takes welding, forging, metalworking and glassblowing skills - but in its essence, you can make most shit from seawater, air and plants if you have enough energy.


>Americanisms

My great granddad fought at the Somme before he was old enough to drink. If you can expect people to breath mustard gas, then you can trust them to make it too.

Fuckin A thank you sir.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

1) Buy a nitrocellulose laquer.
2) Add a few percent petroleum jelly.
3) Let the solvent evaporate.
4) Grind the solid remnant in a coffeemill or similar. Do this outside, where fine powder dust will not burn your house down.
5) Sieve the powder to get a uniform grain size. Regrind the bigger granules.
6) Don't expect great results.

Should you do it? Definitely no. But can it be done? I think so.

 

[Doctor Love]

Fuckin A thank you sir.

No problem. Just don't be a retard. You're right in that there's a weird amount of ego stroking - you've got the right attitude in that the vast majority of people who developed these things, in the first place, didn't carefully read up on the exact definitions of terms before they were permitted to experiment by divine intervention of some other guy. You needn't defer shit "up the chain" unless it's entirely necessary.

But for the love of Christ - practical skills come first. I'm fairly sure I'm the first one to modernise the urea-nitrate pathway, but even I haven't fucked with the acid mixtures. It needs a lot better equipment - hence, me asking. You won't get this done in a pots-and-pans setup, you'll need sealed shit, and not rubber sealing, I mean metal, glass and high-end ceramics.

It's good to know things by-the-book, but focus on understanding both the underlying theory - and the practical reality. It's a good idea to learn how to build what you need - it'll give you a second "gut instinct" for what is practical and what isn't.

Should you do it? Definitely no. But can it be done? I think so.

This is the attitude I like to see. If you do shit by the book, you're replaceable. You know how we can't get back to the moon? It's because of the dumb shit - overregulation and scepticism. A surprising amount of "academically successful" folks have no idea how to operate without access to lab equipment.

 

[Bloodthirsty Nosenigger]

My great granddad fought at the Somme before he was old enough to drink. If you can expect people to breath mustard gas, then you can trust them to make it too.

There's plenty of kids out there who manage to blow off their fingers with organic peroxides and chlorate.
They can figure that out without someone holding their hand and spoonfeeding them info every step of the way.

If OP can't even do that, maybe he should stick to baking soda volcanoes for now, don't ya think

 

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You guys are retards, JStark included instructions on how to make both gunpowder and primer at home in your kitchen using ping pong balls, nitrile gloves, and car batteries.