Is forced insemination without any sexual component rape? - A 'Don't Breathe' inspired thread.

So, is it?

  • Full on Rape (I'm a woman)

  • Full on Rape (I'm a man)

  • Sexual Assault (I'm a woman)

  • Sexual Assault (I'm a man)

  • Not 'rape' rape, but adjacent (I'm a woman)

  • Not 'rape' rape, but adjacent (I'm a man)

  • Not sexual, not rape (I'm a woman)

  • Not sexual, not rape (I'm a man)

  • Breed me, Daddy

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BrunoMattei said:
Where there you go. 100% confirmed it is rape.
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Nope, that perp just randomly injected his semen into the victim’s arse cheek - presumably intramuscular.

No touchy the coochy and no risk of pregnancy .

Gross as fuck though

Weirdly, the bloke’s name is Stemen.

Stemen and his Syringe filled with Semen

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Charged with 1st and 2nd degree assault and reckless endangerment.
 
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Its not Rape in the classical sense, but chaining a woman in a basement and making her carry your child just isn't done you know?
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Although to give a sincere answer to an odd question, if it were classified as a form of sexual torture, I imagine women would be fine with such legal definition. Jailed like it was some sort of finger-removing and letting the rot set in torture sort of depravity. Its like a faggot kidnapping a straight dude and giving his ass expansions until he couldn't shit properly, its not outright sex but holy fuck that's sexual on another level. Kidnapping a person and instead letting your dog rape them is still criminal rape for kidnapper.

Forced pregnancy morally feels categorically like if your plumber showed up in a rubbersuit to fix your sink with a note from his boyfriend saying it was their exhibitionist kink, that's not rape but making someone participate in another's fetish should get someone pushed off a tall building if you know what I mean. Only months long, and much more brutal in other ways.

Although apparently the average base pay for surrogacy is $45,000 for first-time surrogates, and the money is paid in monthly installments throughout the surrogacy process (usually after a pregnancy is confirmed by a physician). Is that sex work? I would say no, but I wouldn't want a kidnapper to merely have to pay a fine for this sort of depravity. So there is an emotional horror on top of what is certainly slavery as well? There is an inappropriate joke about forced labor somewhere in this, but it is forced labor of a sort too.

Slavery, torture, and kidnapping but maybe not rape. I've asked the wife, she's fine classifying it any such way so long as the criminal is publicly humiliated and killed. Hanging in the town square type stuff. She made an indecisive face when I asked if it should be quick. Women used to attend Public Executions more then men, just like Criminal Podcasts are fascinating to women more than men I suppose. So I suspect a good show would be packed with women, wanting a show of the kidnapper/pregnancy-slaver/sexual-torturer from the state. Genuinely don't blame women like that, you want the state to reflect your values so you can feel safe at night. Bizarre crimes, with one planner and a victim not known to the criminal, really need a public response to show most people society isn't just going to allow these category of crimes. Like with serial killers, people don't want to go to bed scared of what could happen to them tomorrow.
 
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Haim Arlosoroff said:
Slavery, torture, and kidnapping but maybe not rape
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As I said, clearly an evil act in the first place. No one denies that

I mean technically the first woman he does it to, she killed his daughter and got away with it, so he gives her a choice: either you give me a new child to make up for the one you took from me, or I murder you, and she chose insemination until giving birth.

Then after some cunt who decides she wants to rob an old blind man gets her killed trying to get away after failing to murder him, he's about to forcefully inseminate her to make up for his child she murdered.

Again, it's hard for me to see that as rape. Though I agree with the sexual assault definition.

It's definitely evil behavior, and I agree with your wife that this deserves

Haim Arlosoroff said:
publicly humiliated and killed. Hanging in the town square type stuff
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Internet War Criminal said:
I mean technically the first woman he does it to, she killed his daughter and got away with it, so he gives her a choice: either you give me a new child to make up for the one you took from me, or I murder you, and she chose insemination until giving birth.

Then after some cunt who decides she wants to rob an old blind man gets her killed trying to get away after failing to murder him, he's about to forcefully inseminate her to make up for his child she murdered.
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Oh, god. That is morally complicated. Nothing about an awfulness applies if there is a reason to the madness, although why this man is owed a daughter is odd to me. I don't think, let's say, you get to forcibly impregnate a woman then and there who blindsides your pregnant wife while she was driving to the store. I don't think you should offer that as a choice either, that would be akin to asking a woman to pretend to be your daughter instead or something like that. Just grieve, its like watching an animal hurt itself slowly dying. You need to mercy kill him if he's kidnapping women who led to his daughter's death.

Why would you want a genetic mix of you and your daughter's murderer calling you Dad?

Its too mathematical for me, minus one needs a plus one to equal something that cannot be equated or fixed. Again, its like watching an animal hurt itself slowly dying. Just put the torturer out of his shame and misery.

I guess if a woman murders someone, she could be made to carry a clone of the victim by a court. But I wouldn't think that would fix my loss, nothing does. That's why its precious, and that's why you axe-murder the women who killed your daughter and then grieve.
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I haven't watched the movie though, maybe there's more emotional complications that just suck.
 
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Haim Arlosoroff said:
Oh, god. That is morally complicated. Nothing about an awfulness applies if there is a reason to the madness, although why this man is owed a daughter is odd to me.
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He was a vietnam vet with severe PTSD who was never treated, and he eventually became blind. His daughter was his whole world after his wife died, and then some rich girl who I believe was drunk did a hit and run, and then her daddy got away with spending enough money to keep her out of jail so he just snapped and went 'If there's not gonna be any consequences, I'm going to either kill you or you're gonna give me a child again'

Haim Arlosoroff said:
I haven't watched the movie though, maybe there's more emotional complications that just suck.
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Yeah pretty much, which is why I see him as someone who did something that is evil, but I don't see him as an evil man, only one driven to craziness from his ptsd, loss of his eyes, loss of his wife then loss of his daughter without any justice being given to him. And when the other girl agrees to give him a child, four wiggers decided 'You know what? Let's rob and kill a blind man lol' and home invasion him and then he fights back.

It's... really not black and white shit we're dealing with here.
 
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Internet War Criminal said:
He was a vietnam vet with severe PTSD who was never treated, and he eventually became blind. His daughter was his whole world after his wife died, and then some rich girl who I believe was drunk did a hit and run, and then her daddy got away with spending enough money to keep her out of jail so he just snapped and went 'If there's not gonna be any consequences, I'm going to either kill you or you're gonna give me a child again'
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Well, ok. I suppose if the rich are just going to subvert justice then he can too. I'm not even being ironic or sarcastic, literally whatever happens to a spoiled rich kid as a result of fucking around and finding out is morally blank to me at this point of our society's decay. It better be poetic justice though, something he can sincerely justify to others without being long winded.

Internet War Criminal said:
I see him as someone who did something that is evil, but I don't see him as an evil man, only one driven to craziness from his ptsd, loss of his eyes, loss of his wife then loss of his daughter without any justice being given to him.
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You ever see the movie Law-Abiding Citizen? I once had it explained to me in a bar that Gerard Butler wasn't the main character or a hero, I laughingly disagreed.

murph said:
It would be extremely rude, at least.
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Duel-worthy, especially for the impregnated woman. Bitch you stole. And stealing is wrong.
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I think it would be counted as such in the legal sense because we associate sex with reproduction too much, even if none was involved. It would also sound more henious and get you on the sex offender list, which the court might want to do for said person being so batfuck insane.

Really, I'm guessing it would depend on the judge and what the state or supreme court has to say.
 
(oh what a thread to wake up to)

Even in bongistan it should be, as a matter of principle. British terven may cry about muh PeNiS bEiNg UsEd As A wEaPoN, but other bepenised assaults are not rape. Clearly, the possibility (however remote - remember the law is ancient and precedes the times when a female human could be definitely pronounced sterile) of forcing a pregnancy on the victim is the criterion.

> My contention is that if there is zero sexual component to it, it's not rape.

Now this is dumb. Until globohomo mandates cloning, human reproduction is what "sexual" is, everything else "sexual" is made so by its relation to reproduction. The unmentionables are sex organs because they are directly involved in the first stage of the act of reproduction. Bobs are sexual because they differentiate one human sex type from the other. Coombrain (or, to use a less scientific term, "sexual desire") is sexual because it involves the unmentionables and is a proxy for the drive to reproduce (even if you're humping a waifu pillow).

edit: this is just a demographics stats collection thread with a bait question in the body. Asking a bait question gets more honest answers than asking directly "are u a wamen"
 
Its not rape, nor is it sexual. But that doesn't mean its in any way ok. Is forced castration sexual or rape? no, but its also fucking horrifying.

Why you want to force women to carry your seed? you some sort of mentaloid?
 
There was a case in Indiana near or in Indianapolis. There was a fertility doctor who began inseminationing his own sperm into his patients. Some patients used annonomyous donors while others used their husbands, only to find out they never were carrying their husband's child.
I find it relevant adjacently to what you are asking, and it's also a movie called "Our Father" more so a documentary than a thriller or whatever you'd classify "Don't Breathe" as. It goes into the legalities behind it all. They had a hard time figuring out what to try the Dirty Doctor as since it wasn't clear cut "Rape." They tried to say since he didnt ejaculate in the room with them there wasnt indecent exposure. However, some of the women argued that he would have been coming down from a sexual euphoria while injecting them with his own sperm. Indiana actually had no law on the books for it at the time and actually passed a law because of this case specifically. At the time the movie came out no other states had laws to address that specific situation on their books, however more doctors in other states were found to have done the same thing.

Oh and they all found this out because of those genetic 23 and Me tests! Look who has over 30 brothers and sister they never knew about!
And yes for the normies Dr. Shill(Phil) also did an episode with some of the children from the doctor in the documentary.

long time lurker first time poster. Really only posting because i was suprised it hadnt been brought up yet in two pages. Didn't expect to sperg so much but it is an interesting case. Apologies if formating is messed up. Once again first time poster and mobile fag.
 
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That tank bike thing is kinda neat but it looks like it would be a hell of a thing to ride (there is a reason quad bikes are now a thing for offroading and surely most of usefulness of a tank is missing (the mounted gun thingy).

I digress.

I’ve not seen the movie (probably will now just because of this thread) but now that another poster has elaborated on the plot the false imprisonment/deprivation of freedom would be a massive part of any criminal charge and prevention of maternity and obstetric care could definitely be charged as either reckless or intentional endangerment (possibly reckless with woman one who coercively agrees to the pregnancy and intentional with woman two who most definitely doesn’t?)

Seems more like the cases of kidnap and long term imprisonment of women who are knocked up via rape by their kidnappers:

Eg (US):https://www.theweek.co.uk/us/clevel...eveland-women-raped-after-they-were-kidnapped

(Austria): https://theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/19/josef-fritzl-austria

I think the charges would be similar to those but rape would be substituted with sexual assault (minus the incest part in the case of Fritzl).

Dude in the movie (I’m guessing, based on other Kiwi’s posts) is using ‘it’s not rape’ as a mental cope for doing something he knows is still a horrible crime (presumably wrapped up in his dad-of-daughter role).

Whether his state of mind/losing his daughter/PTSD would get him a psychiatric detention in the movie location I don’t know but it would probably get him one here, not a cushy one, most likely a Broadmoor/Rampton jobbie and he’d never face proper trial (which would neatly sidestep not having a law that deals with forced impregnation neatly).


As there is no penis-penetration a woman could theoretically commit the same criminal act (false imprisonment, artificial insemination by sexual assault by penetration with an object) but not with the same motivation, as any offspring won’t be her biological child.

To make a woman carry a woman perp’s baby it would have to be forced insemination involving embryo transfer, which is not totally out of the realm of possibility but the perp would either have to be a fertility doctor or have accomplices with specialist medical knowledge/access to a clinic facility, then chain her up after.

Far more likely that a crazy woman would bully/coerce/bribe/threaten a female relative or illegal immigrant woman into signing up for surrogacy and then take the baby through the court system rather than keep her chained in the basement.

Or simply rent the uterus of a trafficked woman in a foreign country via her handlers (which is already a thing and barely even registers as a crime at present).
 
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