Is gender a social construct?

Are traps gay?

  • Yes

    Votes: 45 63.4%
  • No

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Sometimes

    Votes: 9 12.7%
  • Doesn't matter; kill 'em all

    Votes: 9 12.7%
  • Sucking ladycock should be mandatory

    Votes: 6 8.5%

  • Total voters
    71

traps-aren't-gay

Traps are only sometimes gay
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TL;DR: yes but with some stipulations

Let me start by saying that, just because something's a social construct, that does not mean that you can identify as "whatever-the-fuck" and call that valid. Social constructs are constructed by society; hence the name. "Civilization" is a social construct and we all have a general idea of what that means. Even if our particular idea of the concept may differ, we know what it generally looks like. Gender is much the same way.
If you see someone who looks like a woman, talks like a woman, acts like a woman, etc. you would treat it as a woman. That is: up until you discover that they have a dick under their skirt. At that point, there is some contention. But prior to this discovery you would treat this individual as if they were the sex they portrayed themselves as. And there's the bottom line.
If you would treat an individual as one thing even though they are another, you are dealing with a contrast between socially constructed values and biology. Obviously, if a dude in a dress calls himself a woman, he's not a woman. But if they were sufficiently passing so that you wouldn't even question which gender they were, they are effectively that gender. So gender and sex are really two different things: sex being how your biology works and gender being how society perceives you. This doesn't mean, to any degree, that you can just decide you're a girl or a boy and expect everyone else to respect that. But it does mean that masculinity and femininity are not quite as cut-and-dry as we might often think.
 
The idea of gender, sure. But to claim that gender is socially determined (which is the point of saying that it is a social construct) and not biological is wrong.

Just flat out wrong. You can no more change your sex than you can change your age. Sure, you can pretend to, if you want, but that's all it is: pretending.

This is what sane people believe; you won't find a lot of social constructionists on here. Calling gender a social construct does not change the biological realities of sex and gender (which are really the same thing).
 
The idea of gender, sure. But to claim that gender is socially determined (which is the point of saying that it is a social construct) and not biological is wrong.

Just flat out wrong. You can no more change your sex than you can change your age. Sure, you can pretend to, if you want, but that's all it is: pretending.

This is what sane people believe; you won't find a lot of social constructionists on here. Calling gender a social construct does not change the biological realities of sex and gender (which are really the same thing).
Again: "sex" and "gender" are two different things in this discussion. There is no changing your biology; that is something I think we can all agree on. But you CAN change how society perceives you. If society perceives you as a woman despite your biology saying otherwise, you are treated as a woman up until the point when people find out the truth. But if you treated an individual for so long as a woman, did anything really change about them the moment you learned they have a dingly dangle under their skirt?
 
Again: "sex" and "gender" are two different things in this discussion. There is no changing your biology; that is something I think we can all agree on. But you CAN change how society perceives you. If society perceives you as a woman despite your biology saying otherwise, you are treated as a woman up until the point when people find out the truth. But if you treated an individual for so long as a woman, did anything really change about them the moment you learned they have a dingly dangle under their skirt?
It doesn't matter. And sex and gender are not different.
 
It doesn't matter. And sex and gender are not different.
By saying that you are not addressing the argument at hand. You're only contradicting and not actually arguing. You and I both understand that one's biological sex is immutable. I'm saying that society's impression is certainly mutable. There's trannys out there that are hotter than most women. If you see those individuals, without knowing they're men, and consider them attractive: does that make you gay?
furthermore: does it suddenly make you gay the moment you realize they're dudes?
 
By saying that you are not addressing the argument at hand. You're only contradicting and not actually arguing. You and I both understand that one's biological sex is immutable. I'm saying that society's impression is certainly mutable. There's trannys out there that are hotter than most women. If you see those individuals, without knowing they're men, and consider them attractive: does that make you gay?
furthermore: does it suddenly make you gay the moment you realize they're dudes?
Blah blah blah

I don't need to make an argument. Sex is biological. The question of gayness is a simple one, are you attracted to your own sex? No? Then you're not gay.

This isn't complicated stuff here, folks. You learn about this in 6th grade biology.
 
c'mon, man. It's perfectly normal to find Bailey Jay attractive. Just accept that she's a woman and you won't have to wonder whether or not you're gay.
 

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Gender is a meme and John Money wanted to fuck kids.

The problem is we often say Gender when we mean sex.
Money was a weirdo who ruined childrens' lives. But that doesn't change the validity of the point.
He thought gender was 100% socially constructed. That's wrong, of course. But a minority of people would be better off acting as one gender than another. Even so: that's not even the point.
The point is that your perception of an individual might be at contrast with their biological sex. That alone shows that "sex" and "gender" are entirely different things.
 
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