Is gender a social construct?

[traps-aren't-gay]

Here at Kiwifarms we treat the word "nigga" as the equivalent of "nigger". If you believe in your version of Social Constructionism you'll do likewise.

Noted.

Educate me. I'm interested in Nietzsche but don't know much. Tell me which of his book or passage expressed this idea please?

Here's a good primer:

The Nietzsche Channel: On Truth and Lie in an Extra-Moral Sense

On Truth and Lie in an Extra-Moral Sense.

oregonstate.edu

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

OP, you're a faggot so flaming you should GTFO before you immolate this damn planet. A homo so raging you need a dick every 10 minutes or else you turn into a homo-Hulk.

I'll take the bait, and that makes me a raytard, however.

I've taken more than one Sociology courses (in Central Europe, mind you), and the accepted stance, in a nutshell, was "sex is your biological reality and gender is what it means for you in your society", making the particularities of gender a social construct. That doesn't mean it's a social construct in the way modern "progressives" want it to be - sex and gender are inseparable from one another, resulting in biological essentialism.

Spoiler: some sperging

As far as I understand, the progressive stance can be reduced to "society made it up on a whim", while the stance I was taught can be reduced to "society made it up, but not on a whim". For example, women are not the primary caretakers of their children because The Patriarchy wants to keep them down, but because they're the most fit for biological reasons, even if the father is a "Papa Bear" type, and would be perfectly capable of taking care of the child after weaning. There's also the point that gender roles change with every society. For example, according to old Gypsy (Romani) traditions in CE, the women are supposed to be the breadwinners by having them steal food - at least in some tribes. Or, how Italian families AFAIK usually have their matriarchs which is completely absent in Northern Europe. Or there are the people who took "being single" as a lifestyle, and made their "own gender roles". Sure, there were old maid cat ladies before, but those didn't have the connotations of "fucks around, eats full tubs of ice cream, cries herself to sleep after drinking whole boxes of shitty rosé wine".

TL;DR sex and gender are inseparable, but particularities of the latter change with the place and time.

 

[cjöcker]

Gender to me has always been stupid, I don't care if you have bollocks or not, what matters is how you think and act and say, not whatever you have down there. Although it feels like a bit more than a coincidence that people who treat gender as a social construct and identify as the opposite sex that they were born as make great lolcows, almost as if they're mentally ill.

 

[traps-aren't-gay]

OP, you're a faggot so flaming you should GTFO before you immolate this damn planet. A homo so raging you need a dick every 10 minutes or else you turn into a homo-Hulk.

I'll take the bait, and that makes me a raytard, however.

I've taken more than one Sociology courses (in Central Europe, mind you), and the accepted stance, in a nutshell, was "sex is your biological reality and gender is what it means for you in your society", making the particularities of gender a social construct. That doesn't mean it's a social construct in the way modern "progressives" want it to be - sex and gender are inseparable from one another, resulting in biological essentialism.

Spoiler: some sperging

As far as I understand, the progressive stance can be reduced to "society made it up on a whim", while the stance I was taught can be reduced to "society made it up, but not on a whim". For example, women are not the primary caretakers of their children because The Patriarchy wants to keep them down, but because they're the most fit for biological reasons, even if the father is a "Papa Bear" type, and would be perfectly capable of taking care of the child after weaning. There's also the point that gender roles change with every society. For example, according to old Gypsy (Romani) traditions in CE, the women are supposed to be the breadwinners by having them steal food - at least in some tribes. Or, how Italian families AFAIK usually have their matriarchs which is completely absent in Northern Europe. Or there are the people who took "being single" as a lifestyle, and made their "own gender roles". Sure, there were old maid cat ladies before, but those didn't have the connotations of "fucks around, eats full tubs of ice cream, cries herself to sleep after drinking whole boxes of shitty rosé wine".

TL;DR sex and gender are inseparable, but particularities of the latter change with the place and time.

Bottom line is that you're missing the goddamn point.
When we exclude reproduction from sexuality, we find that sexuality varies from the basic "xx/xy" model. People are attracted to whoever they are attracted to. A man who is attracted to a "man" which displays nothing but feminine characteristics cannot be called "gay" in any greater a sence that a man attracted to a woman can. If they both look equally like women, none is more "gay" than the other.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

You are mistaking aberrations as being a normal and/or natural category of behavior.

Uncanny valley/trans panic defenses are/were a thing because once people realize their expectations on this front have been accidentally or purposefully subverted it makes them deeply uneasy and distressed.

That's not because they're bigots, it's because we're internally programmed to fear, find threatening or likely more strongly in this scenario find this a sign of sickness/lack of health.

The man who likes a trap and then turns off when he discovers he found a trap sexually attractive is not gay, he had been purposefully deceived and his perspective changed once he had more information.

There is nothing natural in nature to compare genderbenders/trannies to; there are androgenous and intersex people but these can usually still be picked out as leaning very strongly one way. The Baliey Jay-type is an aberration from which a fair inference cannot be drawn.

 

[Easterling]

OP you've come on here to cope pretty hard to a bunch of indivduals who's minds your really not going to change on the matter. Im open to people beliving 'gender is a social construct' since I belive people are entitled to belive what they want. Its when people try to enact that shit and start fucking with the lives of childern, to that I say, you know what, you can fuck right off with that shit. All I will say is this though, as others have pointed out, the entire basis for the theory on gender is based off the work of a man who's research and the truma it induced resulted in the suicides of the two unfortunate people it was carried out on.

 

[Stoneheart]

Well, depends on how ugly you are. a manlet with a tiny dick is just a male in theorie...

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Societal communication is based upon the sharing information as accurately as humanly possible, so the differentiating of gender from sex, hijacking a synonymous word for the purpose of deceit or exemption of information, is clearly not society's doing. For trannies it's used without ill intent; they want to fit in, after all, but a man is no substitute for woman just as woman is no substitute for man and that would be in any sense of the word or meaning of sex.
If we ever do get to the point of viable and complete sexual reassignment surgery, we will see men giving birth to children they do not know how nor are expected to raise. To do so would require thousands of years of instinct, and to endure those years of experience is not without risk. That extends to your biological makeup as well, as that will surely warp and twist when there are two legitimately male parents as an origin with dominant genes tangling and competing.

Sex is not only boiled down to dick and vagina but the wiring and chemical makeup that drives one's existence. You cannot reprogram instinct - thousands of years of inherited know-how trumps a doctor with a pair of scissors.

 

[traps-aren't-gay]

OP you've come on here to cope pretty hard to a bunch of indivduals who's minds your really not going to change on the matter. Im open to people beliving 'gender is a social construct' since I belive people are entitled to belive what they want. Its when people try to enact that shit and start fucking with the lives of childern, to that I say, you know what, you can fuck right off with that shit. All I will say is this though, as others have pointed out, the entire basis for the theory on gender is based off the work of a man who's research and the truma it induced resulted in the suicides of the two unfortunate people it was carried out on.

I already said pushing this shit on children is child abuse. What more do you want?

 

[WannabeDictator]

Let me simplyfy this thread for you OP, your shitty disney princesses outfit will never make men want to have anal sex with your sweaty morbidly obese ass. It is biologically sane to not be attracted by you whether or not you wear the dress and wig your creepy rapey ass clown wearing fag.

 

[traps-aren't-gay]

Let me simplyfy this thread for you OP, your shitty disney princesses outfit will never make men want to have anal sex with your sweaty morbidly obese ass. It is biologically sane to not be attracted by you whether or not you wear the dress and wig your creepy rapey ass clown wearing fag.

I'm actually a skinny fuck. And btw: men love the way my hairy asshole tickles their weeny on the way out.

 

[Jewthulhu]

No amount of "traps aren't gay" cope will change the fact that you want to fuck a dude. Just admit to being a fagot OP.

 

[Syaoran Li]

OP is a faggot, but it really is okay to be gay.

If OP likes traps, that's his own personal prerogative.

Just don't sperg about it on a public forum.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Did they still have 42% mortality rate back then? Also, having the push to rewrite the definition of gender be a century old doesn't mean that it's not newspeak.

Nah it was 100% because they tried to transplant the womb too.

It's okay, it wasn't nazi's or Mengele doing this experimentation, so it was progress.

 

[traps-aren't-gay]

OP is a faggot, but it really is okay to be gay.

If OP likes traps, that's his own personal prerogative.

Just don't sperg about it on a public forum.

My homosexuality has nothing to do with this. The matter at hand is whether thinking of sex and gender as two separate concepts is a useful means of describing the reality of the situation. And the fact that you would treat a sufficiently feminine male as if they were women (until you find out what they're packing) supports this idea.
If it helps you sleep better, forget that "gender" is the word being discussed here. It is USEFUL to have a word to denote the spectrum of masculinity to femininity as perceived by society. Whatever that word is, whatever your thoughts on trannies are, it is useful to speak in common terms when discussing any subject.

 

[Heartmoth]

I think its fine if XYs wanna look like XXs and vice versa, but when it comes down to it you can't change your chromosomes
Lets not make it about gender or misogyny or whether you have a dick or vagina, lets make it about the fashion, the personality, the interests.
Sure, it's nice that people are allowed to go outside their prescribed social roles, but seriously, y'all ain't special or transcendent or superior or sum shit. Just act like human beings.

 

[Shield Breaker]

you do realize that successful M2F surgeries have been conducted at least since the Wiemar republic, right?

Are you one of those spergs who think the Nazis destroyed the super advanced dick cutting knowledge like the troons on reddit claim?

 

[drain]

Tbh I don't give a single fuck if you want to present as someone from the opposite sex, you do you dude. Of course, biology is biology and your genetics can't be changed, but who gives a shit, honestly? It's the same thing you point to a fake blonde in the middle of the street and say ''oh wow your genetics say you're actually a brunette!''

Personally, Idc how you present yourself, just don't be a giant asshat about it.

 

[Longjack Attack]

OP is a faggot.

Males are gonna be males and females are gonna be females. I don't care if you get a sex change and cut your balls off, at the end of the day you're still gonna have bone structure and body features that of a man. Case closed.

 

[nukes]

Idk, I don’t think men or women should be expected to act in any certain way. Feminine men and masculine women shouldn’t be shamed for not adhering to societal expectations, but they are.

It doesn’t bother me if someone wants to look like the other sex. My issue comes in when they expect people to bend over backwards and coddle their delusions that they are actually meant to be the other sex. You can’t be born the ‘wrong sex’, that just does not happen. You may have dysphoria, and want to present as the other sex to make you more comfortable, but do not invade spaces that belong to that sex and do not force anyone to accept your gender identity. Thinking you were meant to be born the opposite sex is fucking weird. Do whatever you want but don’t think that you’re entitled to anyone’s validation or that rules need to be changed for you.