Is HR causing the competency crisis?

[Eydallur]

Whenever I apply to a job I have to tailor my resume to the specific listing, because I know some mouthbreathing leech in HR is going to have to interpret a job listing and resume that they have 0 understanding of

This is assuming any human even reads it after it's been screened by an AI for keywords.

 

[The Ugly One]

Is there even a competency crisis in the first place? If so, by what metrics would you judge it? In my humble opinion, the world tends to get better. For example:

https://ourworldindata.org/oil-spills (And volume increased)

There have always been large struggling companies. Always companies that were badly managed. Erros always occur. For a crisis there has to be an epidemic and I frankly do not see it. Maybe it's an American thing though.

Technology is continuing to get better, but we're starting to run out of the people who make technology better and are replacing them with black women.

 

[Otterly]

Is there even a competency crisis in the first place? If so, by what metrics would you judge it?

I think there is. Metric: A mix of watching standards drop and seeing industrial accidents.
I’ve said this a couple of times before but I know an old guy who works in something very niche with nuclear power control systems in the uk. He could t find anyone to replace him and ended up staying on way past retirement age (on a huge consulting salary) he’s of the opinion that we are approaching a threshold where stuff will break down.
That bridge in the states that was designed by an all DEI team and collapsed. Boeing. West (or east?) Palestine train derailment. The constant explosions in food plants (of not active sabotage then they are reduced competency incidents.) the shit way potholes are fixed.
Everything is degrading. You can see it everywhere. John Lewis in the uk was a wonderful department store with fantastic usually older staff who were all helpful and their customer service was great. DEI CEO has ruined it. There is no customer service here any more. Everything is a bit worse and failing fast. Materials are poorer quality, silly things like thinner shipping boxes meaning items get damaged more. The postal service is failing. The nhs is failing. Our water companies are pumping raw sewage into our rivers and beaches.
There is definitely a competency crisis. There’s a lot of inertia in such a strong system, it’s not going to explode overnight but it’s happening.
My own industry - almost universally across the board the younger staff lack multiple key soft skills and hard skills. They cannot keep their mouths shut, they cannot deal with grumpy clients, they cannot deal with any challenge to their beliefs. They can’t use filing systems. They can barely use computers which surprised me, you’d think younger people would be all over that. They have - and this is the big one for me - wrt poor contextual ability. Like a poor background knowledge of the world and the field we work in. At the minimum they have a bachelors degree in it but many have phds or MD type degrees. They do t seem to understand the context things happen in. Their education has been substantially poorer than ours.
I saw this dumbing down start to happen when I worked at a British red brick uni - the drop in standards over even the ten years between when I’d done my degree and when o started teaching others was immense. I was carpeted for marking papers to what I considered a decent standard. Carpeted for not giving kids 50% for not even turning up. It was crazy

 

[Xarpho's Return]

John Lewis in the uk was a wonderful department store with fantastic usually older staff who were all helpful and their customer service was great. DEI CEO has ruined it. There is no customer service here any more. Everything is a bit worse and failing fast.

The issue with department stores in the U.S. happened as well. It was a mix of "race to the bottom with Walmart", "Jewenstein formed a department store, Jewenstein's son decides to dismantle it for his personal funds", and "Changes in the way in the economy is run make it harder and harder to run a profitable business".

 

[Kel1 shi1]

I'm going to throw recruiters in with HR for this post. I have an interview soon, so the recruiter sent me this advice on how to clean up your social media (that my boomer ass does not need to be told.)

Spoiler: Spolered for length, 3 pages!

Process – Social Media

A great deal of job interview and career advice focuses on preparing a well-written CV , dressing for success , and
the do’s and don’ts of job interview questions . However, it is also very important to pay attention to other factors that
might impact whether or not prospective employers are likely to view you as the ideal candidate and their next hire.
Please read through the below information – I am sure you will find this very useful
Social media can reveal a lot about a candidate and whether they’re the right fit for a job and Company culture.
According to a recent CareerBuilder survey, 70% of employers use social media to screen candidates before hiring. So,
pause before you post – if you think it could be questionable or inappropriate, you should go with your gut.
The “no-no’s” when using social networks - These are key reasons that employers were put off by a candidate's online
presence:
 Candidate posted provocative or inappropriate photographs, videos or information
 Candidate had discriminatory comments related to race, gender or religion
 Candidate bad-mouthed their previous company or fellow employee
 Candidate had poor communication skills
 Candidate was linked to criminal behaviour
 Candidate shared confidential information from previous employers
 Candidate's screen name was unprofessional
Using social media to your advantage
You don't have to look at your online persona as a problem. There are things you can do on Twitter, Instagram or
Facebook that can actually up your chances of employment. Use it as an opportunity to stand out in a positive way
and showcase your personality. In fact, more than 44 percent of employers have found content on a social networking
site that caused them to hire the candidate.
DO clean up “digital dirt” before you begin your job search - Remove any photos, content and links that can work
against you in an employer’s eyes.
DO keep moans offline - Stay focused on the positive, whether that relates to professional or personal information.
Highlight specific accomplishments inside and outside of work.
DON’T forget others can see your friends posts on your page - Monitor comments made by others. Consider using
the “block comments” feature or setting your profile to “private” so only designated friends can view it.
DON’T mention your job search if you’re still employed.
DON’T post during work hours - If you’re about to interview for a job, the hiring manager is fully aware of your
current employment circumstances. It doesn’t look very good when they do a social media search and see that
you’re regularly posting at times they know you are at work. It raises questions about your focus and productivity.
DO make your online profiles private (Facebook, Twitter and Instagram) and only available to be viewed by your
friends and connections.
HOW TO MAKE YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS PRIVATE
Instagram
 Open the Instagram app
 Tap the profile icon on the far right of the lower menu
 Tap the three dots icon in the top-right corner of your profile to access your settings
 Under the Account heading about halfway down your screen, you'll see an option labelled Private
Account with an on/off button
 Switch to “on”



Facebook
 Open Facebook in Safari
 Click the little arrow on the top right
 Select “settings” towards the bottom of the list
 On the left-hand side you will see a privacy option, you need to select this
 You then want need to check your settings and change “Who can see your future posts” to "friends" to make
your profile private
Twitter
 Click on your profile picture in the top right corner
 Scroll down to the "Settings and Privacy" option and click
 Look on the left-hand side and click on the tab labelled "Privacy and safety"
 Scroll down to the privacy section, then check the "Protect my Tweets" box to make your account
private
 Go down to the bottom of the settings page and click on "Save changes"

EMAILS
Think about how your email address represents you. Here are some hints an tips:
DON`T choose an address that is suggestive, flirtatious, generic, silly, or funny
DO have a professional and easy to remember address and create awareness
DO include your name, preferably first name and last name
DO have and individual email address, not one shared with a spouse or family
DON`T use numbers or underscores, avoid including the year of your birth as it is very easy to guess the probable
age of Minnie.mouse.75@neverland.com
DO make it easy for prospective employers to find `you` in their inboxes
DO have a separate email address just for a job search if you want to keep your existing email address you`ve had
since a teenager.
Remember that anytime you give your email address to anyone, that person becomes a member of your
professional network. From your Fitness Instructor who sends you class schedules to the parent of your children’s
school friend, your email address is representing you.

VOICEMAILS
A crucial part of your job search is the impression your potential Employer has – This needs to be professional and
Poor voicemail
Whether you are trying to be funny, trying to show off your singing abilities or shouting in the car with the windows
down, chances are your potential Employer will not be impressed. It is also not a great idea to get children to record a
voice mail or pretend to be your favourite character.
Full mailbox voicemail
A full mailbox can be really frustrating for an Employer who is trying to get in touch with you. Set aside time to make
sure you clean out your voicemail. You want to be as accessible as possible for potential employers.
No voicemail
This makes you look a little lazy and can frustrate the hiring managers. As soon as you get a new phone, make sure
you make it a priority to get your voicemail up and running.
Definitely make sure you have it set up before you start sending out job applications.


Little things like a great voicemail can really set you apart from your competition. Think about it. Would you be more
inclined to want to interview someone who is shouting about how much they hate calling people back, or the person
who simply asks you to leave a message?
The recording should be planned – not rushed or have background noise or interference. Sound upbeat, happy, `smile
when you speak` - This is the first impression – MAKE IT COUNT!
Here is an example to use ………
“Hi, you`ve reached the voicemail of Minnie Mouse. I am sorry that I missed your call. Please leave your name and
number and I will call you back as soon as possible. Thank you – Have a lovely day”

WHATSAPP
Be sure to make sure that your profile picture on WhatsApp and any other Social Media platforms is of a
professional nature.
Your profile picture should be of you and not a Family picture or photo of your pet.
Although we would advise that you steer away from using WhatsApp on a Professional level and tick to using Email
to remain in `work mode`

I'm surprised anyone under a certain age can get anything other than a Mcjob if they need to be told this.

Another thing she wants is a facetime call before the interview but I need to "Dress appropriately for a face to face meeting". This is just the recruiter and if she thinks I'm getting in my 3 piece interview suit for a videocall it's not going to happen.

 

[sadrefrigerator]

I'm going to throw recruiters in with HR for this post. I have an interview soon, so the recruiter sent me this advice on how to clean up your social media (that my boomer ass does not need to be told.)

Was it a third party recruiter that told you to do this?
Because their companies usually have standardized scripts they give to their candidates that include garbage like that. You can safely ignore all forms of communication from the recruiter after they've connected you to the company.
I've done a lot of interviewing and I wouldn't couldn't be bothered to look up candidate's social media, aside from many the basic linkedin information. Its usually in interviewing training to not research any personal information to remove yourself from biases.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

Was it a third party recruiter that told you to do this?
Because their companies usually have standardized scripts they give to their candidates that include garbage like that. You can safely ignore all forms of communication from the recruiter after they've connected you to the company.

My current experience is that most companies use third party recruiters and don't contact the candidate at all. Not to set up the job interview, not to even tell you you've not got the job after the interview. The recruiter can reject your application even before the employer has seen it.

 

[DiggieSmalls]

I think the in the first hurdle yes. A lot of HR doesnt know dick about what they're hiring for. But recruiters generally dont either. But hiring managers generally know what they want (and I've met some doozies of hiring managers, so maybe there is company specific things about it instead of a ubiquitous problem). But to get to the hiring manager you have to get past that big hurdle. Which can be a big problem. Past that the demographics stuff that you fill out is a hurdle too. There have been articles about how companies refuse to even interview white men. So taking out one of the biggest populations from the equation inevitably lowers your chances of grabbing the best people.
Not saying black people cant do what I do. I met a real smart black guy in college. But I've generally seen like 4 (including the college guy) in the field I work. So I dont know if the refusal to interview white men applies in that situation.

 

[sadrefrigerator]

My current experience is that most companies use third party recruiters and don't contact the candidate at all. Not to set up the job interview, not to even tell you you've not got the job after the interview. The recruiter can reject your application even before the employer has seen it.

Nowadays more companies use 3rd party recruiters since a lot of the smaller medium sized companies laid off their talent acquisition team. Smaller companies have always used mainly 3rd party recruiters since they can't justify hiring inhouse recruiters. Bigger companies all mainly have their own recruiters, though they may hire 3rd party to source candidates (ie doing cold calls, emails).
3rd party recruiters are trained just to look for a few keywords in your resume, and ask basic questions in initial calls along with checking you're not hopelessly autistic. They compile a bunch of resumes and send them to the hiring manager, who throws out most of them except the ones that actually match. The 3rd part recruiter didn't reject your resume (they are paid on commision and have little incentive to screen selectively), you probably weren't a good fit and the 3rd party recruiter sent your information because why not. In house recruiters are a bit different. They usually have more power and if they contact you, you're probably a better match. They can directly set up a Hiring manager screen call, or move you up in the interview process.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

In one of my previous jobs, we were all on fixed term contracts that were renewed periodically and the only criterion HR used to determine if someone's contract should be renewed or not was how much sick leave they'd taken in the previous year. The limit was seven days, and this was at a time when you were expected to isolate if you tested positive for covid. This policy resulted in the single most competent person in the department being let go - someone who did literally triple the work as some of the people who got to stay (and did it to a higher standard). He had trained in multiple people and everyone went to him to ask questions instead of asking their managers because he knew the job inside out. There were people who constantly made egregious errors or failed to meet targets, and they got to keep their jobs because they'd missed six days instead of eight. The managers were furious and tried to stop it but were told they had no say in the matter.

I spoke to someone who still works there recently and apparently they're having a lot of problems with staff retention and missed deadlines.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

and they got to keep their jobs because they'd missed six days instead of eight. The managers were furious and tried to stop it but were told they had no say in the matter.

One time I was made redundant and they way they said they made the decision was based on a stars system ranking each metric. Of course it was bullshit. Anyway I was just one star away from keeping my job and losing it and in the meeting I pointed out that I only had 3 out of 5 stars for attendance except I had never taken a day off my entire time I worked there so I should get 5 because I worked the maximum available in the time I was there.

Obviously the HR drones hadn't thought anyone would question their methodology and replied "Everybody was given 3 stars for that." more bullshit. I countered that if everybody was given three then it should not be a metric measured. Then I realized I was talking myself out of a fat redundancy payment and the prospect of getting to work somewhere better and dropped it.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

@Otterly I've noticed this aura of dread in the air everywhere lately and particularly in my work place. Things are falling to bits, deliveries take longer, people are far flakier, support from third parties is really painful, things are barely holding together and very soon everything is going to collapse into chaos.

I've seen the ESG folder at my workplace, I don't know what is it in but I can guess there is something in there about hiring more "diverse" staff. I know one of the largest IT service providers in my country wants "40% male, 40% female, 20% trans" staff. Anyone new into my department is non white.

I fucking hate the fakeness of HR, I hate it when they plan outings for staff bonding, work is miserable enough as it is I just want to do my job and get home.

 

[The Hardest R]

I unironically suggest to anyone to self identify as something like a disability or put down “other” for race. People who identify as something other than a white guy are less likely to be laid off, more likely to get promoted and more likely to get considered for interviews. I suspect people are catching on because our 2023 ESG ratings released last week shot through the roof. Our HR and diversity teams were excited because they thought that these people are actually no longer afraid to be their ~true selves~. Things like LGBTBBQWTF and disability identifications about tripled compared to 2022. More and more people are starting to identify as these groups to get opportunities for promotions, job transfers, etc. HR couldn’t be happier at the moment.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

more likely to get promoted and more likely to get considered for interviews.

When the diversity questionnaire is added to the job application and it says "we won't judge you for what you write" We all know that means if your white, male straight then we'll put you to the bottom of the pile. I try to grab as many of those diversity points as I can without being too LGBTBBQWTF. However I've yet to encounter someone in HR that isn't a straight white woman. Hypocrites.

 

[The Hardest R]

When the diversity questionnaire is added to the job application and it says "we won't judge you for what you write" We all know that means if your white, male straight then we'll put you to the bottom of the pile. I try to grab as many of those diversity points as I can without being too LGBTBBQWTF. However I've yet to encounter someone in HR that isn't a straight white woman. Hypocrites.

HR really doesn’t give a shit, all they care about is if they’re reaching the DEI and ESG goals set by the owners. They’re never going to demand a 23 and Me or demand you suck cock to prove you are gay, hell you can be asexual, still be straight, and count as a “diverse” candidate. People are picking up on this, which is why my company’s statistics have tripled in their “diverse” qualifications in a year. I suspect in a few years this will be considered a problem but HR is too scared to question what people put…and there is no incentive to question when they need to get to a certain percentage by 2030 (or whatever) and aren’t going to be picky about who is really disabled or if you are a demiromantic.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

Why did women take over this job

its a great place to place a wife/girlfriend because A. its not something like retail where they can have plenty of dudes there ready to fuck them/opportunities to cheat and B. its the one place that won't let people go and C. if the business is doing good enough they won't be needed so its an easy job, very little actual time is spent "working" overall and D. it gives women the socializing and power they need to feel like a strong career woman. and E. it doesn't fuck up the actual goings on of the business, once you're actually working outside of some woke powerpoint presentations that you might have to do once a year if its not just a video you watch on your own time you will never interact with HR. You can go entire careers without being reported to HR so its not a big deal. Its like the exact opposite of the help desk people outside of the fact that you will also never interact with either if you're lucky. F. women naturally judge people, so this job is right in their wheel house, in theory

i've known numerous companies especially older more established ones where HR is entirely nepotistic even worse a lot of the time the people in these jobs have bullshit degrees in creative writing or other silly bullshit if they even have degrees at all.

thank you for reading my schizo rant.

i love how you make pretty basic observations anyone with any perception can see and call it a schizo rant. its true for everywhere i worked, even better is that the women will actively conspire to knock off the men that do the real work.

omen historically have been massively productive and were responsible for most pre industrial production used by people.

this reminds me of when people say "niggers are responsible for rock and roll" ok sure but once it moved beyond the 3 chords their contributions fucking vanish. same with women, just because black women could do the grunt work very well doesn't mean they're responsible for us going to the moon.

also those "jobs" the women did back in that era weren't exactly as nice as the white collar jobs of today, as Les Miserables proves. I bet women are fucking amazing at sweatshop work, not as good as the men but still.

ended up being very good at their job and actually ended up programming some of the 1940s/50s era computers.

this is a great example, because i remember in middle school an assignment being to code up a 1970s computer game, it was actually very easy, which was meant to show how far we've come. Yeah being able to get a computer to print "hello world" sure is a tough job.

Why would competent people want to work at NASA, you get paid much more streaming yourself playing video games on the internet while making funny faces.

different skill sets, and literally as chris-chan's dad's dating advice showed, the autismos that gave us life changing products aren't remotely good at "entertaining"

. If you’re a synthetic chemist who is fifty, and female, you got there by being good

if that was true the cunt in charge of star wars would have the same knowledge of the EU as the people in the kiwifarms thread, same with the cunt in charge of youtube or the cunt in charge of X. As the vice president has shown us, being a flirty, ditzy, bimbo that laughs at guys jokes really takes you a lot fucking further than "hard work"

Many people were hired with just a high school diploma and experience alone.

education was the original DEI, it was something to show off to white male stock investors to show how amazing the company was back in the 1960s, except they neglect to tell the stockholders that most of these "college graduates" only went in the first place to avoid nam and got the easiest degrees and cried to their professors if they were in danger of failing and not wanting blood on their hands got professors to pass them usually. While i will preach about how great college is, its a lot about what you make of it, a rural christian guy going to a rural christian college would be better off working in a fucking warehouse or retail. But if you genuinely use that time to learn new ideas and concepts and interact with different people you'll be surprised how much better off you'll become.

the fact that you need masters for certain positions in the military is obscene to me considering how often people said the military was for people who "couldn't handle college" only to rug pull people. Its even worse because the demographics will prove that the nigger with the masters in fuck whitey will do a worse job at whatever than some Will Hunting type working on a construction site nowadays. so they're gatekeeping to make sure only the worst people get the job.

In my humble opinion, the world tends to get better.

you see like the type of retard that could watch their mother get gangraped in front of them and you'd go "clearly she got tired of my dad and just wanted to try something new"

Another thing she wants is a facetime call before the interview but I need to "Dress appropriately for a face to face meeting". This is just the recruiter and if she thinks I'm getting in my 3 piece interview suit for a videocall it's not going to happen.

the face to face is to get a good look at you, make sure you fit the demographics, or at best are a good white boomer instead of a bad one. you boomers need to understand, like the copypasta says, the world is built around niggers. recruiters want someone that looks like spotemgottem and will do anything to get them. Especially if it means giving the nigs an entire office wing to themselves or other faggotry. The fact that you're a kiwifarmer and don't realize this is worrying. every note or sign where you ask yourself "what idiot couldn't surmise that?" think about spotemgottem and 400 years of oppression playa.

There have been articles about how companies refuse to even interview white men.

Did no one here see Soul Man? especially with the lack of communication between recruiters and HR they can't really do much besides treat you badly once you're hired.

I met a real smart black guy in college

even if they can do what you can, its usually the stress that fucks them, Disney almost had a black man as a CEO, except he decided to be a pornstar instead, i'm being serious too. white guys usually can keep their shit together and not fall into addiction the way minorities do.

I spoke to someone who still works there recently and apparently they're having a lot of problems with staff retention and missed deadlines.

not to get into it but there was a thread about that awhile back about white dudes who'll work jobs way below their ability that they are complete masters at and do triple the work of others being paid the same and how many companies are getting fucked because those types usually not doing too well when it came to covid.

However I've yet to encounter someone in HR that isn't a straight white woman

see above, straight white women are too precious to let work anywhere else but HR.

Things like LGBTBBQWTF and disability identifications about tripled compared to 2022.

You would be shocked what counts as disabled too, like if you could get a medical weed card for it. its a disability. People really need to start reading up or researching how people survived other tyrannies, you have to play the game.

 

[Otterly]

if that was true the cunt in charge of star wars would have the same knowledge of the EU as the people in the kiwifarms thread,

I mean real jobs. Not EU nepotism where you’re parachuted in with an agenda and are deep throating the CEO of Pfizer, or sent in to damage IP. If you’re an older woman or minority in a real job that requires you to perform or gtfo you’re usually fine. Real world job vs ‘we have put you here to do something that’s not actually the job’ is a different world

 

[The Hardest R]

I met a real smart black guy in college. But I've generally seen like 4 (including the college guy) in the field I work. So I dont know if the refusal to interview white men applies in that situation.

There is a term called the talented tenth that was once applied to black people. This wasn’t created by white racists, this was created by blacks themselves about a century ago. Even then they realized only a small subset of black people were ever going to be net contributors to the system. In current year plus nine, everyone is competing for the modern talented tenth and they know their worth. Furthermore every white woman-led HR department wants to prove they can get some for the company they work for, even if it means trying to get some of the untalented ninetieth.

Refusing to interview white men is a thing. Leaving jobs vacant because not enough diverse candidates is a thing. Thats how employers can say “we just can’t find enough qualified employees!” while vacant positions sit for months on end. DEI and ESG plans mandate not just who will be in management or new hires but it extends to interviews. If there’s an entry level engineer job and 95% of the applicants are white guys, well that just means there haven’t been enough efforts to recruit diverse candidates. So they’ll attend job fairs and whatever to get the split to 70/30 or whatever they feel is “good enough” for diverse candidates. Problem is those diverse candidates are high in demand so they’re getting courted by many firms which means employers can barely get them locked in for interviews which means job openings remain open until they get the magical statistics they’re looking for.

But as I’ve said before, HR is just doing the job they’re given. The owners of the company have set the mandates. Every mid- and large-sized company has DEI and ESG plans. Chances are a good number of them are public. You’ll see that they commit a certain percentage of new hires, management, etc. must be diverse, usually 30-50% by 2030 or 2035 or some shit like that. HR is an easy target and for good reason but management sets the numbers, the dumpy wine aunt who goes through resumes is just carrying out orders.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

HR is part of the problem. It’s basically them and C-Level Execs who hollow out a company.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

DEI certainly doesn't help and is the cause of many problems; but I don't think that this is the cause of the competency crisis.

I think that, honestly- its part of capitalism.

you can neg rate this if you want, but we ought to take a look at economic trends since the mid 70s.
I think a big issue is that we had a brief period in history where we rode the wave after WW2 (only real intact manufacturer of global goods), and things were great. I think that, in the 70s, when you had stagflation, thats when things started to become problematic.

We wound up in a competition crunch, where we had to be as, or more, productive, more competitive, and had to cut corners. One corner, illustrated above, was in wages.

I think that theres another aspect that is talked about less though, and thats the fact that as time went on, people received less and less training on the job, were asked to do more for the same wages, etc.

By the time that you get to 2008, and the 2010s, almost no places would train people on the job. You have, instead, fake jobs being posted on job sites, and people just constantly offshoring and outsourcing positions to the third world. Theres some on site job training, but its rare and usually only happens well after someone has their foot in the door. Gone are the times of "you like math? Well train you in the accounting department, hop in, plenty of jobs and money to go around"

I think that you essentially have a generational gap in skillset because of stuff like this disappearing, so that when the boomers are gone, they just didn't train anyone for many of these jobs. Add in the fact that the third worlders who replaced us are shitty at the jobs, shiftless, or lie- and noone has the proper skillset for half our jobs.

You can also add that relative to wages, people often don't want to do the shitty jobs where they pay actually should be high when there are alternatives. Think working on a ship and handling freight, so it gets sent to the Indians (or HR just simplify offshores it to Indians because training new staff would cost extra money). Ergo, where we are at now.

My own industry - almost universally across the board the younger staff lack multiple key soft skills and hard skills. They cannot keep their mouths shut, they cannot deal with grumpy clients, they cannot deal with any challenge to their beliefs. They can’t use filing systems. They can barely use computers which surprised me, you’d think younger people would be all over that. They have - and this is the big one for me - wrt poor contextual ability. Like a poor background knowledge of the world and the field we work in. At the minimum they have a bachelors degree in it but many have phds or MD type degrees. They do t seem to understand the context things happen in. Their education has been substantially poorer than ours.

It may or may not relate, but we also do have degree inflation, which is another inverse problem- because degrees do not equal work experience, and that bill of goods was sold to too many people, which makes them entitled. Maybe this is just nostalgia glasses, but it seems like the old way was that you got a college certificate (1 or 2 years) or a university degree, and you didn't immediately jump into a mid level position, but started off in a position that may have been a bit above entry level, and were in a lane towards career progression.

People seem to also expect that when they have a degree, they can immediately jump into mid management, etc. Many of the actually competent people I've known have not had degrees, but have simply progressed on their own within companies and have learnt how to do things on their own through years of experience. Thats where you ironically have liberal arts grads, when pushed to it, possibly even learning things within a STEM based company.

I think theres honestly two problems, degree inflation making people entitled for mid level jobs,

and entry level jobs offering little to no training because places just can't afford to do this en masse anymore, so everyone is scrambling for mid level jobs which pay less, they don't have the experience for these jobs, and the crisis just perpetuates itself.

The solution was, lets just import Indians, and that did not go well.