Is IQ an actual good measurement of intelligence?

IQ shows potential. A person can be super fucking smart, but if they never actually apply themselves then it doesn't really mean anything.

A lazy person with a high IQ may as well be retarded if they don't actually do anything with it.
 
While these are important, they don't have the same predictive powers as intelligence. In the 90s and 00s, there was a big push to expand the definitions for "gifted" programs and other accelerated paths, and of course a lot of parents wanted their kid who was artistic or good at violin or whatever to be considered gifted, even if they were average academically.

So you had the same result as all the subsequent #inclusion programs: those admitted under lower standards couldn't keep up, and constant pressure to dilute the programs to make them more accessible, until they didn't really signify much.
G is intelligence, it's the general intelligence factor. High performance in one dimension predicts above average performance in others. Someone being highly creative (not just really good at tracing or playing music that someone else wrote) is correlated with them also having good logical reasoning skills. Someone being excellent at maths is correlated with them also performing well with languages. Someone being highly socially adept is correlated with them also being good at puzzles. Someone with a high g factor may really shine in some areas more than others but they're going to be an above average achiever overall. They're never going to score low on an IQ test but their score may not be as high as someone similarly intelligent but with aptitudes that are easier to test for.

It's also known to be highly heritable which may be why it isn't talked about much.
 
Maybe arguing semantics here, but I think this is less a failure to notice patterns, and more a moral framework that interrupts the instinctive pattern noticing with alarm bells. Rich white Prog women are trained to suppress these instincts, and probably even take them as evidence of "muh unconscious bias" etc to be overcompensated for, which sometimes leaves them dead (usually the costs of their Luxury Beliefs fall on others who can't afford to live safely away from it, but every so often they come home to roost).
 
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There's a reason we refer to eiq.

Mechanical genius translates when you look at things objectively like that.
 
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You sound like someone trying to tell me something has been proven by science in a tweet.
You know smart people generally score high on IQ tests and idiots score low. Call it a fluke or just plain dumb luck.

Some people call it a test.

And people who don’t like IQ tests generally score low. What camp are you in I wonder?
 
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That so many people foam at the mouth and sperg at the idea of it being accurate tells me that there's truth in it. Also I can just kind of tell that I'm xx% smarter than most people, that people with triple digit iq are much smarter than those below, etc. People that say it doesn't show anything are mostly just jealous.
 
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It does, but it's a bitter pill for most to swallow because it brings up thoughts about free will and how much control we really have.

Woke types tend to hate IQ, because it shows we aren't all blank states who can be educated into thinking like them and it offers an explanation for disparities that can't be blamed on whatever "system of power" they are currently blaming their problems on.

Some on the right hate it, because it means not everyone is capable of pulling themselves up by the bootstraps, so perhaps some government programs are necessary and moral.

Likewise, some libertarians hate it because it shows not everyone is capable of competing in their free market hellscape and therefore perhaps it's better for society if the government provides some resources for them.

Certain religions hate it because differences in IQs among groups give credence to evolution, which underminds many of their beliefs.

Intelligence is hardly the only thing that matters in life, so I can understand why so many people want to ignore IQ. Especially as I've read telling high IQ kids they are gifted can actually really fuck them up. However, I've also read that keeping the gifted kids in the same class as the average/lower intelligence kids hinders them as well. Intelligence is as much of a curse as a blessing.
 
IQ is a silly thing. Either a person is retarded, and everyone can tell immediately, or they're intelligent, and similarly obvious. It's a metric that autistic people with no actually achievements study for, and that's about it.
 
A lot of the claims I’ve seen against IQ are just the usual arguments about niggers who are able to paint a mural are now supposed to be considered geniuses or a parent who can’t reconcile that their mediocre kid is a genius who is destined for Harvard with the reality that a state school is as good as it’s going to get for them. No method of measuring intelligence is ever going to be perfect but IQ tests are pretty good at sussing out who is smart and who isn’t.
 
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Yes and no. IQ tests can show a lot of things but intelligence is like that picture with a bunch of different animals being judged by their ability to climb a tree. I've known some seriously intelligent people who are incredible in their field (diagnosing illnesses and so on) but are completely unable to read a map or use the microwave without fucking shit up. Similarly there are people I know who are maybe not so book smart but able to fix just about anything that is broken by looking it over and figuring out how it all works. Intelligence is a very broad scope that IQ tests are unable to deal with as they don't cover those particular areas, instead asking how if Sam has 58 apples and the moon is waning, how many oranges does Sally get.

tl;dr intelligence =/= wisdom

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Woke types tend to hate IQ, because it shows we aren't all blank states who can be educated into thinking like them and it offers an explanation for disparities that can't be blamed on whatever "system of power" they are currently blaming their problems on.

Some on the right hate it, because it means not everyone is capable of pulling themselves up by the bootstraps, so perhaps some government programs are necessary and moral.

Likewise, some libertarians hate it because it shows not everyone is capable of competing in their free market hellscape and therefore perhaps it's better for society if the government provides some resources for them.
The Left hate hierarchy, and especially the idea that there are natural hierarchies, to the point they'll bulldoze everyone into poverty and starvation to prove their "blank slate" nonsense.

On the Right, I see a few categories:
- Boomer Bootstrap-ism as ultimately accepting Liberalism's blank-slate premise
- Lolbertarianism as immaturity: "I'm smart and gifted so I'll win the rat race, and everybody else can be poor or addicted to meth" (I was guilty of this).
- Mature/realistic conservatism as a form of noblesse oblige: yes hard work and systems that incentivize it are important, but also recognize that you can't design a society for the most motivated and disciplined 5%. Society needs rules that help average people live healthy, productive lives.
 
Yes and no. IQ tests can show a lot of things but intelligence is like that picture with a bunch of different animals being judged by their ability to climb a tree. I've known some seriously intelligent people who are incredible in their field (diagnosing illnesses and so on) but are completely unable to read a map or use the microwave without fucking shit up. Similarly there are people I know who are maybe not so book smart but able to fix just about anything that is broken by looking it over and figuring out how it all works. Intelligence is a very broad scope that IQ tests are unable to deal with as they don't cover those particular areas, instead asking how if Sam has 58 apples and the moon is waning, how many oranges does Sally get.

tl;dr intelligence =/= wisdom

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This is my experience as well, looking at both myself and others. But I often ask myself where you find the line between lack of interest and lack of ability. It's a bit of a chicken/egg thing. For example, most tech illiterate boomers could easily learn the nowadays idiot proof normie devices and software. They just flat out refuse to.
 
Yes it is.

And there’s only one kind of IQ.

The claim that there “are seven kinds of IQ” is a crock of shit.

There’s no such thing as
“Emotional intelligence” “physical intelligence” or “musical intelligence”.

So you’re good at playing piano or throwing balls or being empathetic. Great! That’s not intelligence though.
 
One time I heard someone say "IQ tests are better at detecting idiots than geniuses." which is a sentiment I agree with. Synthetically it's easier to catch the negative than the positive, so to speak. Personally, I'd say intelligence is more credibly measured, and made meaningful, by deeds and results. Like solving a difficult mathematical research problem or producing a technically sophisticated piece of art, for example. It's something that's better demonstrated in life's tests you can say. That's my sense of it.

People who think this don’t know or work with any… the vast majority of scientists and doctors are in that ‘slightly smarter than the average’ bracket but certainly not genius level. True genius is very rare and it’s strange when you meet it - you just sometimes meet people with that extra mental spark.
CEOs again in general are smarter than average but with very specific personality traits plus drive.
IQ is an Ok measure. It’s not perfect but it’s not bad. Broad intelligence IS at its heart the ability to connect the dots with information and recognise patterns. It’s not the entirety of it but it’s the basics.
Savant skills are somewhat different and people with very low IQ on regular tests can show savant like skills.

IQ is a silly thing. Either a person is retarded, and everyone can tell immediately, or they're intelligent, and similarly obvious. It's a metric that autistic people with no actually achievements study for, and that's about it.

Yes and no. IQ tests can show a lot of things but intelligence is like that picture with a bunch of different animals being judged by their ability to climb a tree. I've known some seriously intelligent people who are incredible in their field (diagnosing illnesses and so on) but are completely unable to read a map or use the microwave without fucking shit up. Similarly there are people I know who are maybe not so book smart but able to fix just about anything that is broken by looking it over and figuring out how it all works. Intelligence is a very broad scope that IQ tests are unable to deal with as they don't cover those particular areas, instead asking how if Sam has 58 apples and the moon is waning, how many oranges does Sally get.

tl;dr intelligence =/= wisdom

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This is my experience as well, looking at both myself and others. But I often ask myself where you find the line between lack of interest and lack of ability. It's a bit of a chicken/egg thing. For example, most tech illiterate boomers could easily learn the nowadays idiot proof normie devices and software. They just flat out refuse to.
Basically what these people said, and I'll add that I especially agree with @Lurker Child when he says that IQ tests are mostly good at detecting morons rather than geniuses. Stupidity, for some reason, is rather easy to spot, whereas true intelligence can be damn near undetectable at times.
 
Yes it is.

And there’s only one kind of IQ.

The claim that there “are seven kinds of IQ” is a crock of shit.

There’s no such thing as
“Emotional intelligence” “physical intelligence” or “musical intelligence”.

So you’re good at playing piano or throwing balls or being empathetic. Great! That’s not intelligence though.
Thank you.
because, for the love of god, just because you can construct a space station doesn't mean picking a cannibal tribe to space is a good idea
 
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