Is The USA actually collapsing?

Maverick Vile said:
And that is why BRICS is now a thing.
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Too many people have allowed their hate boners for China and/or Russia to allow them to admit just how dangerous of a position the reserve currency is in. Even if you believe every single article saying that the BRICS nations are incompetent or that their perpetually never going to become a threat despite surpassing the West in many aspects over the past half a century pretending that virtually all of the same issues don't apply to the West is as dangerous as pretending that the third world nations whose resources we need aren't going to turn to alternatives when governments like America's are more concerned about drag queens then they are about the neutering of their own industry.

As for the question of will America collapse I think it is a variation of the greentext posted earlier, with the main difference being that instead of everyone forever being content with everything the public (Who riot over criminals being treated as such or when Black Friday discounts come about) will freak out, force martial law to be invoked and send America down a spiral of events ending with parts of it slowly starting to become more unstable until a 1930's China situation arrives and parts of the country are de facto indepndant...

Does this mean that America will cease to exist? Maybe, no empire lasts forever. But in the absence of a nuclear war or release of a bioweapon I think that America will still be here in the decades to come... Albeit only in the sense that the chain of command will continue as it did in the transition from Rome to Byzantium. The current state of affairs in America, the endless deficit spending, the culture of complete apathy to matters of real importance and the days of America being a beacon for the world to look upon with envy on the other hand may not last long enough to make it to the 2032 election.
 
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The modern world is dependent on millions of individual moving pieces working in unison to ensure that the globalized economy can continue to operate. The United States and the rest of the world is in a more precarious state than ever before. the system we live in is a new phenomena, up until the start of the 21st century systems such as Just-in-Time (JIT) logistics being implemented on a mass scale were unheard of. people don't understand how fragile everything really is.

I suggest reading this article:

It's only a matter of time before major systems and infrastructure begin to deteriorate.
 
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Topics like this just remind me of the Penn and Teller Bullshit episode on the end of the world. One thing they point out is people have been predicting that for centuries and its really never happened.

Though it can depend on what you mean by that.... a rapid change can indeed be an "end" of sorts, but I think its safe to assume most people see the phrase "End of the World" and imagine a scenario more like Fallout, where its a big and obvious change that happens very fast.
 
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lmfao no. The countries that are our so called competition shit in the street on a national scale. We will be number one for at least 25 more years, but number one just doesn't have the same value it used to.
Which perplexes me. Sure the elites can have more money/power, but who gives a fuck if that power is over the third world? Name one African president ever. Power over a thriving world is far more desirable and superior. Seems like they are shooting themselves in the foot here.
 
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Nook Figures said:
Yeah this for sure means different things to different readers. Sudden, apocalyptic collapse is the popular prepper-fantasy hollywood version and very unlikely. A gradual decline in living standards as everyone chases a smaller piece of the pie is way more likely, arguably already playing out for a lot of people, and nowhere near as exciting or individually mitigable.
I don't think it's too hard to get most people to agree that the boom times have drawn to a close. Taking a step further and gaining consensus that this is 'collapse' is a big stretch.
And anyway, that's a global trend. Not something specific to the USoA.
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i think usa will be like uk in a few years. they lost grip on their currency, lost faith in politics, lost the lead in tech (the paperclip nazis are all dead) and survive on belief and intellectual property rights and arms sales.
usa is a tiny fraction of the worlds population and mch of that world is starting to tell it to shove its itellectual property up its arse and either pirate stuff or make it better themselves. any nigger can make guns, so that leaves only their mass psychosis in the kike on a stick.
just let the beaners chinks and pakis take over and watch the mosques appear on every horizon.
 
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Not really.
People will whine and scream about dumb social issues but realistically even with massive immigration from the Southern border and "FUCKING PRONOUNS" it's fine.
It's more that the USA's rivals are getting stronger. Specifically China which went from a third-world shithole when I was a kid to a superpower that's managed to get a foothold in every global economy. Russia is lmao tier though. They've reduced themselves to China's oil bitch just to keep their war going.
 
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Thiletonomics said:
If you say that the US is collapsing, then what is happening with Canada and Argentina, given how those countries are in even worse states right now?
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Well what's happening in those countries sounds a lot like the 4chan doompost, or really whats happening already here in America, its just that we aren't that far along yet. Think how owning a house is becoming a pipe dream for most people when it used to be the norm. We invent new terms like "tiny homes" to cope with the fact that most can't afford even a small house anymore. And really most of these tiny homes are just trailers disguised as a house.
Geddy Lee's Fee and See said:
It took Rome 400 years to truly collapse. It'll take awhile for the US to collapse too. It certainly has ostensibly declined in pretty much every way though.
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Not really, Rome peaked with Trajan in 117 AC, but really the cracks of the republic showed up during and after the social wars, or even earlier with the gracchi brothers being murdered for trying to implement a sensible economic reform.
skykiii said:
people have been predicting that for centuries and its really never happened.
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The problem is what your definition of "end" is. Is it human extinction? then no it never happened. Even at what is by far the worst recorded collapse, the bronze age collapse, it wasn't the end. Sure entire civilizations completely disappeared, their writing and culture gone, populations gone or displaced, history forgotten, but even then some civilizations like the egyptians and some mesopotamian countries endured, crippled sure but they were still around. Even if there was a nuclear war odds are everything below the equator will survive, crippled by the dependence on supplies from a north that no longer exists sure, but eventually they will figure it out. But the cities in the north hemisphere will be like Ebla, Knossos and Troy, vestiges of a golden age long gone.

One day in a future after that collapse some lost brazilian or argentine military convoy will drive by the ruins of tucson and ask the locals what the name of the city was.

And they will not know. That's what happened to Xenophon's army when they were in Mesopotamia during the iron age.
potatofarms said:
and survive on belief and intellectual property rights and arms sales.
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LMAO no, britcuckistan its basically a money laundering scheme, look up the 'london city' and what it does. They been relying on speculative finance for decades, and even before that they were already incredibly dependant on banking ever since the germans (and us) overtook the brits in industrial output and technology.
potatofarms said:
just let the beaners chinks and pakis take over and watch the mosques appear on every horizon.
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It would be very funny to see the very catholic mexicans start a crusade against muslims, it wouldn't be the first time than a random group of people who used to be pagans took the banner of a religion and basically saved the day. It can be argued north europeans did exactly that as the muslim horders took over the middle east from the byzantines, and on the other side when the mongol-ish turks converted to islam and took it over. Like imagine being an arabic muslim and the biggest authorithy of your religion that your people invented is a steppe barbarian who praised horses and shit not that long ago. And that situation lasted until WWI mind you.
 
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I don't know. Even with all the additional illegal Mexican cartel members streaming in, we did lose Ethan Ralph so... breaking about even.
 
Charred Dinosaur said:
Too many people have allowed their hate boners for China and/or Russia to allow them to admit just how dangerous of a position the reserve currency is in.
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It's not in a dangerous position at all though
Charred Dinosaur said:
Even if you believe every single article saying that the BRICS nations are incompetent or that their perpetually never going to become a threat despite surpassing the West in many aspects over the past half a century pretending that virtually all of the same issues don't apply to the West is as dangerous as pretending that the third world nations whose resources we need aren't going to turn to alternatives when governments like America's are more concerned about drag queens then they are about the neutering of their own industry.
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Run-on sentence dood. What aspects have the BRICS surpassed the West in because unless you're talking about manufacturing substandard consoomer goods the answer is none
Charred Dinosaur said:
As for the question of will America collapse I think it is a variation of the greentext posted earlier, with the main difference being that instead of everyone forever being content with everything the public (Who riot over criminals being treated as such or when Black Friday discounts come about) will freak out, force martial law to be invoked and send America down a spiral of events ending with parts of it slowly starting to become more unstable until a 1930's China situation arrives and parts of the country are de facto indepndant...
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This requires something that reminded me of a line from Why We Fight. The China one. For a warlord fragmenting situation you need a country that is not a nation. China was a country but not a nation. The US is both a country and a nation. This makes it hard for true and honest warlordism because to get public support you need to frame yourself as being for the nation, not just for a region. Otherwise in a place with a highly armed civilian population like the US you never have the chance to rise above brigandry and will probably get merked by the national government, or if it is in collapse, local militias pretty quick
Charred Dinosaur said:
Does this mean that America will cease to exist? Maybe, no empire lasts forever. But in the absence of a nuclear war or release of a bioweapon I think that America will still be here in the decades to come... Albeit only in the sense that the chain of command will continue as it did in the transition from Rome to Byzantium. The current state of affairs in America, the endless deficit spending, the culture of complete apathy to matters of real importance and the days of America being a beacon for the world to look upon with envy on the other hand may not last long enough to make it to the 2032 election.
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Until half the fucking planet stops trying to move here, the idea that America is not a beacon for the world to look upon with envy is silly
 
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