Is the West better? - Regarding freedom/human rights/oligarchs

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Where would you rather live?

  • Ameurope

    Votes: 56 80.0%
  • Chinussia

    Votes: 14 20.0%

  • Total voters
    70
West is still a better place to live. Social justice, the neoliberal political establishment, and the unsavory aspects of western big business are awful, but they don’t compare to the level of authoritarianism and frugalism the average Chinese pleb or Arab family lives under.

Most people who try to paint Russia/the CCP as benevolent nations standing up to le evil west engage in cherry picking and the grass is greener fallacies of one kind or the other. “Omg, the media not liking my right wing politics and painting the Charlottesville rally in a bad light is just like how the CCP has legislation making dissent illegal and deploys tanks and APCs against its own protestors!” Or “man, working a 9/5 job with the inflating dollar sucks. Im sad because Im a wage slave and I have no time to do what I want. I would be much happier in a Brazilian favela or running a farm in the African bush where I wouldn’t have to deal with pesky tax forms or rude customers!”

The gap between quality of live of the west and the rest of the world is shrinking however, both due to western problems and widespread industrialization in the rest of the world.
I mean, if I go to Russia or China, I can probably say nigger without anyone caring. I would argue that means I have more freedom of speech there than I do here. I would have less freedom of speech on certain topics, such as criticizing those govts, but I would have more freedom of speech on shit I care about (i.e. denouncing faggotry, trannies, etc). "Freedom of speech" here in the USA is a farce imo. The only places I can speak even remotely "freely" are anonymous online ones like KF here.

It is probably true that living in the West is materially easier, for now. But that is being steadily degraded. And in terms of culture/morals I would say the West is the worst on the planet due to embracing open degeneracy, post-modernism, nihilism, etc.
 
west is more comfortable for now, but has no future.
china is less comfortable for now, but has a bright future.
russia is neither comfortable nor has a future. worst of both worlds.

the catch is that chinas bright future is for the chinese, not you. if you move there as a foreigner, expect them to take measures that keep you from getting to their level, to always keep you behind and below themselves.
Dude, are you living in 2008? China is spiraling headfirst into a demographic crisis cause zoomers can't get laid, their infrastructure is objectively shit because most builders don't even follow construction standards at all, and their entire real estate market is more volatile than your average crypto token thanks to the Evergrande crisis from last fall.

No one has a bright future right now. No one. Everyone's quality of life is gradually worsening because our economies are all tied at the hip, meaning every little crisis has the potential to fuck over your nation's legal tender into oblivion. An ongoing energy crisis, inflation of the world's reserve currency and the global elites' naked desire to control us plebs' freedom of movement and property ownership with batshit insane energy reforms is more tangibly concerning than which declining major industrial power is gonna come out of this decade the least fucked up.
 
I mean, if I go to Russia or China, I can probably say nigger without anyone caring. I would argue that means I have more freedom of speech there than I do here. I would have less freedom of speech on certain topics, such as criticizing those govts, but I would have more freedom of speech on shit I care about (i.e. denouncing faggotry, trannies, etc). "Freedom of speech" here in the USA is a farce imo. The only places I can speak even remotely "freely" are anonymous online ones like KF here.
Yes, saying nigger is much more important than being able to criticize those that run your government.
 
Dude, are you living in 2008? China is spiraling headfirst into a demographic crisis cause zoomers can't get laid, their infrastructure is objectively shit because most builders don't even follow construction standards at all, and their entire real estate market is more volatile than your average crypto token thanks to the Evergrande crisis from last fall.
a financial crisis isn't the end of the world when and if it happens. in the long term states, nations and peoples can survive these things just fine.

and demographic crisis is hitting the west just as hard as china, plus the local circumstances make it much worse in the west because here it's coupled with mass immigration which results in straight up ethnic displacement over time.
for the west, low birth rates mean you're gonna be outnumbered and dominated by immigrant populations, the same immigrant populations that are constantly being taught to hate white people for their evilness. as soon as these hostile immigrant populations capture enough state power, this will result in increasingly oppressive state discrimination against whites, eventually culminating in genocide.
compared to that, chinas birth rate problem is a meme. they'll have to figure out a way to handle increasing numbers of retired boomers, at worst this means a lower material standard of living. not great, but continuing industrialisation and technological progress can offset a lot of these problems through increased efficiency and productivity. their problems are not at all comparable to the bleak future awaiting the west.
 
I mean, if I go to Russia or China, I can probably say nigger without anyone caring. I would argue that means I have more freedom of speech there than I do here. I would have less freedom of speech on certain topics, such as criticizing those govts, but I would have more freedom of speech on shit I care about (i.e. denouncing faggotry, trannies, etc). "Freedom of speech" here in the USA is a farce imo. The only places I can speak even remotely "freely" are anonymous online ones like KF here.

It is probably true that living in the West is materially easier, for now. But that is being steadily degraded. And in terms of culture/morals I would say the West is the worst on the planet due to embracing open degeneracy, post-modernism, nihilism, etc.
Don't know about China, but Russian government has been running the country into the ground for the last several decades, and with the war in Ukraine it's getting even worse and will keep getting worse.
I'm sure you'll quickly discover that being able to say "nigger" and "faggot" doesn't outweigh the negatives.
 
Don't know about China, but Russian government has been running the country into the ground for the last several decades, and with the war in Ukraine it's getting even worse and will keep getting worse.
I'm sure you'll quickly discover that being able to say "nigger" and "faggot" doesn't outweigh the negatives.
A corrupt government running the country into the ground? Oh no, that's terrible. You are probably right, the USA is where I want to be in order to avoid such a horrible fate.
 
Yes, CNN is already in the gulag for their Trump coverage.
FOX will follow soon for their Biden one.

But as long as you can keep being an edgy manchild, everything is well.
Mainstream networks here might as well be state actors. Fox is controlled oppo. Try actually criticizing the regime on normie social media or any other public space and see how you are treated.
 
I would rather live in Pakistan to be honest.
Yes, I know about the first cousin marriages, polio, unsafe drinking water, landlords fucking your daughter, abuse of the blasphemy law and so on.
And it's still better than the West. This is how bad it is.

China and Russia are their shades of totalitarianism, while the beauty of a proper third world shithole is that it's so broken and dysfunctional that you can do anything you want because the government can't even enforce its laws or make its citizens pay taxes. Half of Pakistan or so doesn't pay taxes. This is Heaven. Since they destroyed our lives with c0vid I'm suspicious of any efficient form of government.
Pakistan is one of the worst countries one can possibly live in. Much of the population are so backward that the mere accusation of blasphemy can find you and your entire family lynched by an angry mob of religious zealots, and that risk is multiplied if you're a religious minority. The country also boasts the world's highest rate of cousin marriages, more "honor killings" per capita than any other country on the planet, and an epidemic of rape victims being either threatened to commit suicide or forced to marry their rapist. The place makes India look civilized.
 
a financial crisis isn't the end of the world when and if it happens. in the long term states, nations and peoples can survive these things just fine.

and demographic crisis is hitting the west just as hard as china, plus the local circumstances make it much worse in the west because here it's coupled with mass immigration which results in straight up ethnic displacement over time.
for the west, low birth rates mean you're gonna be outnumbered and dominated by immigrant populations, the same immigrant populations that are constantly being taught to hate white people for their evilness. as soon as these hostile immigrant populations capture enough state power, this will result in increasingly oppressive state discrimination against whites, eventually culminating in genocide.
compared to that, chinas birth rate problem is a meme. they'll have to figure out a way to handle increasing numbers of retired boomers, at worst this means a lower material standard of living. not great, but continuing industrialisation and technological progress can offset a lot of these problems through increased efficiency and productivity. their problems are not at all comparable to the bleak future awaiting the west.
A financial crisis becomes more scary the more that developed countries are forced to be dependent on each other. The EU cannot function defensively without American military infrastructure, and they've just shot themselves in the foot by shutting off gas coming in from Russia.

As for the Chinese, comparing China's demographic crisis to the West's is comparing apples to oranges. The CCP importing foreigners from SEA to replace boomers exiting the workforce would be doing the unthinkable. The Han have hegemony over the entire country in every societal aspect that matters and are becoming increasingly nationalistic under Xi; they have absolutely no intention to ceding any ground in that regard to foreigners, considering how they treat ethnic minorities in their regions of origin. They're really banking on maintaining a Han majority

The West meanwhile is dealing with a separate crisis that has nothing to do with replacing boomers, if that problem existed at all. We're not facing a surplus of laborers dying off and having no one to replace them; instead, we're importing cheap unskilled labor for various, mostly insidious reasons, arguably the worst among them is to create a reliable voting base for the next 18 or so foreseeable years for whatever party in your country supports a lax immigration policy, national cohesion be damned. I do agree with you that this is a problem, but I view it as a consequence of mass immigration rather than a stated goal.

However, birth statistics from the past decade have shown that the birth rates of Hispanic Americans have been declining while white birth rates have conversely been rising, and blacks, Asians, et al have stayed roughly the same for the past thirty years due to disparate factors that affect each demographic. It also doesn't help that the cost of living has become so absurdly high that married couples waiting a few years to so much as have their first child has been normalized for more than a decade. The Western Left has also become far too reliant on immigrants voting as a bloc and are watching this strategy backfire in real time, at least in the United States.

It's subtle, but you can see the tide turning in Europe as well. You got places like Sweden and Germany who spearheaded the asylum efforts to Syrian refugees in 2015 doing a full 180 six years later and telling muzzies "fuck off we're full." Covid has curbed immigration for a number of reasons, but the one you don't hear being said out loud as much is how paralyzing the economy makes it harder for the goverment to provide gibs to third-worlders who might not even have a job waiting for them anyway.

TLDR Both countries are beset by different demographic crises whose outcomes are yet to be determined cause the societal landscape of the entire world is chaotic af right now, also centralized global economy bad.



Also, learn to fucking punctuate and format your posts. I'm getting eye strain reading your uncapitalized and poorly punctuated word vomit.
 
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