Is the West better? - Regarding freedom/human rights/oligarchs

[hhaergenreyt]

you'll miss it when it's gone.

 

[DumbDude42]

Demographics in this context is more about the number of young warm bodies you have that can boost your economy by consooming and working.

More young people and population growth entails economic growth, because more young people means more workers, who in turn buy shit as they grow up and put some of the money they make back into the economy via mortgages and investing.

China and the rest of the Asian tigers and practically all of Europe have sharply declining birth rates—not only will their economies stagnate, but they’ll face downward pressure due to the number of boomers cashing out outnumbering new tax paying young people putting money into the system.

America has relatively stable demographics (birth rate is slightly below replacement level at 2, but immigration counters this). Not good, but it stands to do far better than most of its competitors in this area. This is linked to the increased amount of people living in suburbs in the US compared to Asian powers and Europeans, as city dwellers have had lower birth rates across history.

“But America will be less white! Since brown people are poor they will make America poor too! Only le Wyte man has the cognitive skill and cultural sensitivity to contribute the economy by working basic bitch jobs and buying used cars!”

America is a consumption based society, and the demographics issue is solved by warm bodies who do just that. America might have a problem if they were importing illiterate third world sub Saharan Africans who have no concept of national laws like Europe, but all of the reduction of whiteness comes from an increase in Hispanics, who are willing to work even in racist stereotypes (they’re lazy third workers in Mexico yet when they immigrate they out compete whites in the wage slave market). Hispanics also intermarry with whites at high rates and often reach real financial success relative to where they started from; effectively integrating into the American machine instead of trying to suck it dry and burn it down in some sort of brown commie revolution like the left fantasizes about. Its very similar to immigration to America in the past where poor Germans, Irish, and Lithuanians came here, got seethed at by the Anglo descended whites for being dirty immigrants and stealing jobs, before each group became indistinguishable from the other over decades.

big wall of cope lol
look at what happened in rhodesia and south africa when whites lost power, that's the future of the USA and those european countries that are subject to replacement migration

 

[Osmosis Jones]

You know making something illegal doesn't erase it, right? See, this is the shit that makes me certain you have to be trolling. No one would come here of all places and present this as a serious opinion, but you've replied to everyone so far. I also don't know what you're doing that LGBTism seems like a pillar of western society to you. It's not and it never has been. It's a pervasive social issue that exists everywhere in the world with differing levels of openness and acceptance. Are you spending too much time on Reddit? I seriously hardly ever see outward LGBT bullshit let alone enough to make me think it's what upholds westerners as a civil society.

You're also conflating media portrayals throughout history with reality. China is not a mega-prosperous evolving nation. It's rising to global power because of its trading power, not because it uplifted its people and galvanized them and raised the bar on their standards. They all still hate niggers, they all still try to genocide, and they won't treat you better for being a Westerner. Worse, actually, especially if you're American. Enjoy your gibs but material wealth isn't going to make you happy to live in a dictatorship.

 

[Bionicle of War]

However, birth statistics from the past decade have shown that the birth rates of Hispanic Americans have been declining while white birth rates have conversely been rising

This is the first I've heard of this. Wasn't there some Jewish group celebrating white demographic decline about a year or so ago?

 

[gang weeder]

big wall of cope lol
look at what happened in rhodesia and south africa when whites lost power, that's the future of the USA and those european countries that are subject to replacement migration

To be fair to him Hispanics are much more "white" than Sub-Saharan Africans. About 50% European, on average. And at this point whites have self-destructed so hard that culturally I think you could argue Hispanics are more desirable.

You know making something illegal doesn't erase it, right? See, this is the shit that makes me certain you have to be trolling. No one would come here of all places and present this as a serious opinion, but you've replied to everyone so far. I also don't know what you're doing that LGBTism seems like a pillar of western society to you. It's not and it never has been. It's a pervasive social issue that exists everywhere in the world with differing levels of openness and acceptance. Are you spending too much time on Reddit? I seriously hardly ever see outward LGBT bullshit let alone enough to make me think it's what upholds westerners as a civil society.

You're also conflating media portrayals throughout history with reality. China is not a mega-prosperous evolving nation. It's rising to global power because of its trading power, not because it uplifted its people and galvanized them and raised the bar on their standards. They all still hate niggers, they all still try to genocide, and they won't treat you better for being a Westerner. Worse, actually, especially if you're American. Enjoy your gibs but material wealth isn't going to make you happy to live in a dictatorship.

Sheeeeeit, if I could have material wealth to live in a dictatorship, that sounds alright to me. Like I said earlier, the only advantage I've granted to the west is that living here probably is materially easier, for now. The trajectory is often more important than the current situation, and our material trajectory is going down while a lot of these other places it is going up, but still. I do concede life is easier here economically speaking, for the time being and probably the short term future.

But this thread wasn't purely about economics and gibs and free shit, it was also asking about moralistic stuff like freedom and censorship. And you cannot convince me that the degenerate west is not among the most evil cultures in the world right now. At best, you might be able to convince me that it's tied for evil with places like Afghanistan where they have ritualized child rape and such. But you won't ever get me to defend a culture which so rabidly defends the right of pedophiles to teach 6 year olds that they need to cut their dick off and start wearing a dress.

 

[draggs]

Sheeeeeit, if I could have material wealth to live in a dictatorship, that sounds alright to me. Like I said earlier, the only advantage I've granted to the west is that living here probably is materially easier, for now. The trajectory is often more important than the current situation, and our material trajectory is going down while a lot of these other places it is going up, but still. I do concede life is easier here economically speaking, for the time being and probably the short term future.

You think having material wealth in a tyrannical society would be alright because you are myopic and stupid.

The West's material standard of living is not on a downward trajectory. It will take decades for the middle class in China and Russia to be as materially comfortable as the poor in North America and Europe. Decades they don't have. The West is quite literally the only grouping on earth has a future, which is why everyone not retarded who isn't part of it wants to become part of it.

But this thread wasn't purely about economics and gibs and free shit, it was also asking about moralistic stuff like freedom and censorship. And you cannot convince me that the degenerate west is not among the most evil cultures in the world right now. At best, you might be able to convince me that it's tied for evil with places like Afghanistan where they have ritualized child rape and such. But you won't ever get me to defend a culture which so rabidly defends the right of pedophiles to teach 6 year olds that they need to cut their dick off and start wearing a dress.

So instead you defend cultures where the State ritually tosses people into prisons and camps and then starves and beats and yes rapes them into submission. Your problem is your trollgame is some basic bitch shit.

Culture is also not rabidly defending the right of pedophiles to teach 6 year old boys that they need to cut their dicks off and start wearing dresses. The worm has turned on that one and the rabid defenders are currently in retreat.

 

[Some Badger]

This is the first I've heard of this. Wasn't there some Jewish group celebrating white demographic decline about a year or so ago?

I wouldn't be surprised if there were multiple identarian interest groups publicly celebrating the demographic decline of white people. The study itself that I was referencing was using a data set of live births from 2016 and published by the NCHS in 2017. White live births have gradually restablized, however marginally, over that of Hispanics within the latter half of the 2010s.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/report002.pdf

This is also just personal observation, but all my Hispanic friends, most of whom are second generation, have only one sibling but have giant extended families by way of their parents' generation. I don't think it's a certainty to say that whites will be replaced in the US at the very least since it's obscenely expensive to raise a child today than it was when our parents were growing up, and no amount of gibs or child tax credits are gonna convince the majority of families of any race to pop out more kids than they are able to take care of.

...I mean, unless that kid is born out of wedlock.

 

[mr.moon1488]

you'll miss it when it's gone.

It is gone and its replacement is near finished picking the last of the meat off the carcass.

 

[Maurice Caine]

west is more comfortable for now, but has no future.
china is less comfortable for now, but has a bright future.
russia is neither comfortable nor has a future. worst of both worlds.

the catch is that chinas bright future is for the chinese, not you. if you move there as a foreigner, expect them to take measures that keep you from getting to their level, to always keep you behind and below themselves.

China is teetering on the verge of economic collapse, I believe it's far more likely they literally cannibalize each other.

 

[gang weeder]

Culture is also not rabidly defending the right of pedophiles to teach 6 year old boys that they need to cut their dicks off and start wearing dresses. The worm has turned on that one and the rabid defenders are currently in retreat.

When I start believing that maybe I will feel differently. Until then, our culture is indefensible, and I simply don't care about excuses. Yes, I'm fine with dictators by comparison (the idea that our own government isn't tyrannical I find to be ridiculous, but whatever). Yes, I'm fine with the government being brutal and throwing people in jail, by comparison to enabling trannyshit. Every government is abusive to groups that violate norms. The question is what norms are being promoted and which ones are being persecuted. I am fine with a government that is far more brutal in the course of promoting norms that are far less degenerate.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Yea well, you know, the western world has shitholes too, so. Shitholes are gonna shithole everywhere, yo. It's literally all the same. Hurr.

Sure. Thing is the average western shithole is better that most eastern upstanding neighborhoods. So it's not really the same.

 

[ARghEAT]

I would rather live in Pakistan to be honest.
Yes, I know about the first cousin marriages, polio, unsafe drinking water, landlords fucking your daughter, abuse of the blasphemy law and so on.
And it's still better than the West. This is how bad it is.

China and Russia are their shades of totalitarianism, while the beauty of a proper third world shithole is that it's so broken and dysfunctional that you can do anything you want because the government can't even enforce its laws or make its citizens pay taxes. Half of Pakistan or so doesn't pay taxes. This is Heaven. Since they destroyed our lives with c0vid I'm suspicious of any efficient form of government.

Hahahaha have you ever been to Pakistan? The reason half of Pakistan (and most shithole countries) doesn't pay taxes is because they literally don't earn enough to. Half the population is too poor to even reach the tax bracket where they actually pay anything. You guys seriously lack perspective if you think the West is a bad place to live. Not to mention that most non-Western countries are extremely xenophobic (and for good reason, too) and you'll always be seen as a foreigner to exploit.

 

[Dude Snakes]

I honestly don't know anymore.

 

[UtadaWasabi2]

Just make money in the west and spurge it all in the east imo.

 

[Homophobic white dog]

Hahahaha have you ever been to Pakistan? The reason half of Pakistan (and most shithole countries) doesn't pay taxes is because they literally don't earn enough to. Half the population is too poor to even reach the tax bracket where they actually pay anything. You guys seriously lack perspective if you think the West is a bad place to live. Not to mention that most non-Western countries are extremely xenophobic (and for good reason, too) and you'll always be seen as a foreigner to exploit.

Believe me, dude, it's actual tax evasion.

 

[draggs]

When I start believing that maybe I will feel differently. Until then, our culture is indefensible, and I simply don't care about excuses. Yes, I'm fine with dictators by comparison (the idea that our own government isn't tyrannical I find to be ridiculous, but whatever). Yes, I'm fine with the government being brutal and throwing people in jail, by comparison to enabling trannyshit. Every government is abusive to groups that violate norms. The question is what norms are being promoted and which ones are being persecuted. I am fine with a government that is far more brutal in the course of promoting norms that are far less degenerate.

Well then pay attention, citizens banding together to take power over the education of their children against insane degeneracy is happening all across the United States. A literal impossibility in the countries whose toes you are sucking.

Yes you're fine with degeneracy like institutionalized rape in the countries you admire and it's totes different from degeneracy in the West because. Stop being retarded.

What norm is being promoted when political prisoners are beaten and starved and raped in Russia or China or Belarus? None you dummy. They aren't being brutalized to save heterosexuality and the two parent family. They're being brutalized to maintain the power of the State. You are a dumb child.

 

[ARghEAT]

Believe me, dude, it's actual tax evasion.

Yes, obviously there is actual tax evasion (and that too at fairly large scale) but lots of people don't pay taxes because they are too poor to lol. You have no idea how bad places like Pakistan are for living. If you really hate "muh nigs and fags" so much your best bet is going to Poland, Russia or somewhere similar.
Though if money isn't an issue then pretty much any third-world country has "good" areas that you can stick to.

 

[Homophobic white dog]

Yes, obviously there is actual tax evasion (and that too at fairly large scale) but lots of people don't pay taxes because they are too poor to lol. You have no idea how bad places like Pakistan are for living. If you really hate "muh nigs and fags" so much your best bet is going to Poland, Russia or somewhere similar.
Though if money isn't an issue then pretty much any third-world country has "good" areas that you can stick to.

Read what I posted, about half of Pakistan evades taxes. It isn't a matter of poverty, it's a matter of distrust for the government and inability to enforce its laws.

I don't hate this place because of the niggers and I can pretend that the fags don't exist, what I'm terrified of is the militarization of our countries and regimentation of our lives. I don't feel free anymore, I don't feel safe anymore.
I don't want to live in a country in which every payment is tracked, every movement is recorded, anything you say on the internet can land you in jail, where you need to poison yourself to work and study and live in general, where everything is suddenly efficient like a Swiss watch and everyone is a law-abiding citizen when the law is inhumane and not worth abiding to.
Forget the degeneracy, it's the totalitarianism I'm terrified of, and the weakness of my neighbours in facing it. Western people are too domesticated, Pakistanis are apes who don't give two shits about their government and will burn down a whole city if someone insults their prophet. I would feel safer among the latter, they are freer. Not smarter by any means, but I don't want smarts anymore, I don't want to live among domesticated midwits who will rationalize at every turn why it is only fair that I'm excluded from society for not degrading myself because hey you gotta respect MUH LAW.

It's about liberty, my dude. I never gave two shits before because I had plenty of it (relative to my scarce economic means anyway), but now that the country is actively dictatorial and trying to destroy me, I would gladly lower my living standards to live in a freer society, which is also an authentically safer society for me.
This is for my own soul.

 

[biozeminadae1]

The West will be the best for at least another generation.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

Read what I posted, about half of Pakistan evades taxes. It isn't a matter of poverty, it's a matter of distrust for the government and inability to enforce its laws.

I don't hate this place because of the niggers and I can pretend that the fags don't exist, what I'm terrified of is the militarization of our countries and regimentation of our lives. I don't feel free anymore, I don't feel safe anymore.
I don't want to live in a country in which every payment is tracked, every movement is recorded, anything you say on the internet can land you in jail, where you need to poison yourself to work and study and live in general, where everything is suddenly efficient like a Swiss watch and everyone is a law-abiding citizen when the law is inhumane and not worth abiding to.
Forget the degeneracy, it's the totalitarianism I'm terrified of, and the weakness of my neighbours in facing it. Western people are too domesticated, Pakistanis are apes who don't give two shits about their government and will burn down a whole city if someone insults their prophet. I would feel safer among the latter, they are freer. Not smarter by any means, but I don't want smarts anymore, I don't want to live among domesticated midwits who will rationalize at every turn why it is only fair that I'm excluded from society for not degrading myself because hey you gotta respect MUH LAW.

It's about liberty, my dude. I never gave two shits before because I had plenty of it (relative to my scarce economic means anyway), but now that the country is actively dictatorial and trying to destroy me, I would gladly lower my living standards to live in a freer society, which is also an authentically safer society for me.
This is for my own soul.

Reading this makes me confused. I fully agree with that statement:

I don't hate this place because of the niggers and I can pretend that the fags don't exist, what I'm terrified of is the militarization of our countries and regimentation of our lives. I don't feel free anymore, I don't feel safe anymore.

I don't want to live in a country in which every payment is tracked, every movement is recorded, anything you say on the internet can land you in jail, where you need to poison yourself to work and study and live in general, where everything is suddenly efficient like a Swiss watch and everyone is a law-abiding citizen when the law is inhumane and not worth abiding to.

But then you say:

Forget the degeneracy, it's the totalitarianism I'm terrified of, and the weakness of my neighbours in facing it. Western people are too domesticated, Pakistanis are apes who don't give two shits about their government and will burn down a whole city if someone insults their prophet. I would feel safer among the latter, they are freer. Not smarter by any means, but I don't want smarts anymore, I don't want to live among domesticated midwits who will rationalize at every turn why it is only fair that I'm excluded from society for not degrading myself because hey you gotta respect MUH LAW.

Are you meaning to say that we should be allowed to do everything and anything we want including stealing and/or murdering other people? I'm not a fan of totalitarianism, but that's literally anarchy what you're describing there and I really think that's stepping too far.

BTW you can always join AntiFa or the Boogaloo Boys if you don't like democracy, they also want anarchy for who knows why.