Is there a basis for anti-semitism?

[Mothra1988]

The people who say "go touch grass" or "have a normal one" are the most internet-brained permanently-online people in existence. Nobody talks like this irl. Nobody IRL says "go outisde" only internet people. Your brain is broken by the online version of a sitcom. You post shit like that and hear a laugh track in your head. "Yikes have sex virgin" is the mantra of a man in his mid thirties who spends seven hours a day on social media.

"How dare you talk like an internet person on the internet." Okay, you got me there.

 

[Certified_Autist]

My admixture is literally german/swedish/english, which makes whiter than 95 percent of /pol/. lol I'm so white there are statues of my ancestor in New England who is famous for being a woman who killed a bunch of Indians to escape from captivity. So yeah, try harder.

You mean Hannah Duston? .........I hope we're not related because you're either willfully stupid or simply dishonest.

Making blatantly philosemitic arguments even in the face of contradictory evidence, then falling back on claims of white ancestry as a defense. Not sure if you realize, but you come across as either a Jew, or as a white person hung up on their partial Jewish ancestry. Literally a "fellow white person" moment.

Even if you don't believe the strawman that "jooz are a hivemind who run the world" its pretty much impossible to ignore the fact that Jewish individuals have hugely disproportionate influence in finance and media, and have a very strong ingroup bias. There is an element, (possibly genetic, possibly cultural) of paranoia, as well. Thus, they tend to over-react to any criticism or perceived slight, and will weaponize finance and media towards others to censor discussion of anything that paints Jews in a bad light.

 

[Gamergirl Cleanup Crew]

"How dare you talk like an intenret person on the internet." Okay, you got me there.

What the fuck is an "internet person"? you need therapy my dude my heckin guy uhh touch grass you are not normal

 

[Mothra1988]

You mean Hannah Duston? .........I hope we're not related because you're either willfully stupid or simply dishonest.

Making blatantly philosemitic arguments even in the face of contradictory evidence, then falling back on claims of white ancestry as a defense. Not sure if you realize, but you come across as either a Jew, or as a white person hung up on their partial Jewish ancestry. Literally a "fellow white person" moment.

Even if you don't believe the strawman that "jooz are a hivemind who run the world" its pretty much impossible to ignore the fact that Jewish individuals have hugely disproportionate influence in finance and media, and have a very strong ingroup bias. There is an element, (possibly genetic, possibly cultural) of paranoia, as well. Thus, they tend to over-react to any criticism or perceived slight, and will weaponize finance and media towards others to censor discussion of anything that paints Jews in a bad light.

Maybe we are related. LOL.

I only brought up my DNA because of a "Only a jew would defend jews" poster telling me I was a jew. Jesus. Stop taking it out of context.

I never suggested I liked the media or finance or whatever. In regards to media, I think political bias matters more than race. The people in this thread attack right wing Jews from Israel as much as the left wing ones in Manhattan. They see no distinction at all.

Also every argument you make about Jews could be turned around on whites who dominate many industries and careers. It's like the leftard privilige argument. Never denied the existence of nepotism either or defended it. I wonder though, you are claiming to be approaching this as a logical person instead of just being a hate monger. Do you think the Holocaust happened?

What the fuck is an "internet person"? you need therapy my dude my heckin guy uhh touch grass you are not normal
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You literally said "internet people." I'm just re-using your own term.

 

[Gamergirl Cleanup Crew]

Also every argument you make about Jews could be turned around on whites

Why? Are they over-represented in pornography and financial institutions? Just like whites haha

 

[Certified_Autist]

I never suggested I liked the media or finance or whatever. In regards to media, I think political bias matters more than race.

"Political bias" includes putting the political interests of your race first. Jews may take differing stances on left/right politics, but most of them (at least the ones in the media and in politics) tend to favor Israel for instance. Jews as a group vote majority Democrat, as well. And the mere existence of AIPAC is insane, considering how everyone complains about politicians colluding with Russia or China.

The people in this thread attack right wing Jews from Israel as much as the left wing ones in Manhattan. They see no distinction at all.

There is no distinction, insofar as Jews usually favor other Jews over non-Jews.

Also every argument you make about Jews could be turned around on whites who dominate many industries and careers. It's like the leftard privilige argument. Never denied the existence of nepotism either or defended it. I wonder though, you are claiming to be approaching this as a logical person instead of just being a hate monger.

Whites dominate in Western nations, so it is natural that they should dominate in industries based in the West. The fact that a certain 2% is dominating fields in white countries, without the IQ, skillset, or test scores, to back it up, is quite fishy.

And it's funny you bring up the leftist "privilege" argument, because the irony is that it actually applies more to Jews than it does to whites.

>"Whites are over-represented in some fields"
Jews are far more over-represented since they are a much smaller portion of the population

>"Whites are privileged"
Jews are objectively the wealthiest group on Earth

>"Whites are all subconsciously racist"
Jews literally consider themselves "God's Chosen People", and their religious texts refer to nonjews as subhuman

>"Whites get away with things other groups don't"
Jews created their own ethnostate by declaring war on every other ethnic group in the area, and Israel is accepted with open arms by the same countries that boycotted South Africa and Rhodesia for being white ethnostates enroaching on the land of other groups.

Etc.

Do you think the Holocaust happened?

Define "happened".

Did Hitler enforce political/social discrimination against Jews, and ultimately put them in labor camps? Yes.
Were Jews forced to be in these labor camps against their will? Yes
Did many people starve to death when the supply lines collapsed? Yes
Was there unethical medical experimentation in the camps? Most likely yes, but the specifics and the scale is questionable.

Did they kill 6 million people with bears in cages, and chambers with electrified floors, and bending shotguns, and masturbation machines, and delousing gas, then turn the bodies into soap and lampshades? No.
Were the supposed confessions at the Nuremberg trials obtained -without- torture and/or threats? No.

Is it illegal to question/deny the official story in many nations? Yes.
Is it illegal to exaggerate the official story in many nations? No.
Is there political or financial gain to be had by exaggerating the official story? Absolutely.

Should Hitler have done it to begin with? No.
Did the Allies have similar policies of race-based concentration camps? Yes (Japanese in America)
Are the "winners" going to downplay their own wrongdoings while exaggerating those of their enemies? Absolutely.
Are the people who have the most incentive to demonize Hitler, telling the complete truth about what he did? With zero lies and zero exaggerations? No.

Draw your own conclusion from the above.

 

[Mothra1988]

"Political bias" includes putting the political interests of your race first. Jews may take differing stances on left/right politics, but most of them (at least the ones in the media and in politics) tend to favor Israel for instance. Jews as a group vote majority Democrat, as well. And the mere existence of AIPAC is insane, considering how everyone complains about politicians colluding with Russia or China.


There is no distinction, insofar as Jews usually favor other Jews over non-Jews.


Whites dominate in Western nations, so it is natural that they should dominate in industries based in the West. The fact that a certain 2% is dominating fields in white countries, without the IQ, skillset, or test scores, to back it up, is quite fishy.

And it's funny you bring up the leftist "privilege" argument, because the irony is that it actually applies more to Jews than it does to whites.

>"Whites are over-represented in some fields"
Jews are far more over-represented since they are a much smaller portion of the population

>"Whites are privileged"
Jews are objectively the wealthiest group on Earth

>"Whites are all subconsciously racist"
Jews literally consider themselves "God's Chosen People", and their religious texts refer to nonjews as subhuman

>"Whites get away with things other groups don't"
Jews created their own ethnostate by declaring war on every other ethnic group in the area, and Israel is accepted with open arms by the same countries that boycotted South Africa and Rhodesia for being white ethnostates enroaching on the land of other groups.

Etc.


Define "happened".

Did Hitler enforce political/social discrimination against Jews, and ultimately put them in labor camps? Yes.
Were Jews forced to be in these labor camps against their will? Yes
Did many people starve to death when the supply lines collapsed? Yes
Was there unethical medical experimentation in the camps? Most likely yes, but the specifics and the scale is questionable.

Did they kill 6 million people with bears in cages, and chambers with electrified floors, and bending shotguns, and masturbation machines, and delousing gas, then turn the bodies into soap and lampshades? No.
Were the supposed confessions at the Nuremberg trials obtained -without- torture and/or threats? No.

Is it illegal to question/deny the official story in many nations? Yes.
Is it illegal to exaggerate the official story in many nations? No.
Is there political or financial gain to be had by exaggerating the official story? Absolutely.

Should Hitler have done it to begin with? No.
Did the Allies have similar policies of race-based concentration camps? Yes (Japanese in America)
Are the "winners" going to downplay their own wrongdoings while exaggerating those of their enemies? Absolutely.
Are the people who have the most incentive to demonize Hitler, telling the complete truth about what he did? With zero lies and zero exaggerations? No.

Draw your own conclusion from the above.

There is a distinction. Look at Twitter, for instance, plenty of people claiming to be Jews there, many who don't even believe in their religion, siding with the Palestinians because bleeding heart libtard logic. Are you going to tell me there is no difference between Mark Levin and Jon Stewart? Are you seriously suggesting the ultra-nationalist government of Israel is left wing in any fashion? Obama, the defacto liberal boogeyman for years, even had multiple tantrums over them during his administration and Netenyahu basically told him to go pound sand. Not seeing any nuance here is idiotic. I don't see how your'e that different from anyone else that just posts edgy one liners and leaves it at that. You haven't given me any examples where you even diverge from the /pol/ consensus. Not one example.

To the Holocaust question you could have just said, "Yes, it happened, and it was wrong to execute millions of civilians." Instead, you just go into a laundry list of /pol/ type narrative nitpicking/coping and don't even address the wide scale murder which every historian agrees occurred instead only bringing up "labor camps." Easy lay up, instead you just went right back into /pol/ sperging and proved my point that no one who says this stuff is an arbiter of truth. Yeah, I'm not sold on your lack of bias and or racial hatred. You've posted nothing different than the kooks.

 

[Spud]

Look at Twitter, for instance, plenty of people claiming to be Jews

No. People of one race acting like they're another, perish the thought no one would ever do that

 

[Mothra1988]

No. People of one race acting like they're another, perish the thought no one would ever do that

Oh yes, every deviation from the white nationalist narrative is a conspiracy!

 

[Spud]

Oh yes, every deviation from the white nationalist narrative is a conspiracy!

I'm black bro

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

It's the 4th of July. Go touch grass. lol

MothraHeilHitler, you posted in this thread nine times alone today. You’re not in a position to tell anyone to touch grass. I don’t advise you to do the same, there might be some kids around and they don’t need you playing Uncle Touchy to ruin the holiday for them. So stay inside, assuming you can even fit through a door these days.

Also did you add the “19” in your name because I made fun of you for having 88? Damn you are pathetic

 

[Mothra1988]

MothraHeilHitler, you posted in this thread nine times alone today. You’re not in a position to tell anyone to touch grass. I don’t advise you to do the same, there might be some kids around and they don’t need you playing Uncle Touchy to ruin the holiday for them. So stay inside, assuming you can even fit through a door these days.

Also did you add the “19” in your name because I made fun of you for having 88? Damn you are pathetic

I'm not a male, you NeoGaf poster idiot. That sperg is mad at me because I argued with him in two threads over his idea that rape victims, including 10 year old kids, should be forced to give birth to their rapist's children, which I'm against because that's some sadist evil shit to do to a victim. He's been doing this for months with other posters, look at the comments on his profile.

But he still doesn't top you, being mad at me for like 5 months for a one off comment about how you think Democrats will win the midterms. You don't even try to take part in the discussion of the overall thread like the others. At least @Save the Loli at least tries to do that, you just pop up to share the fact you're still butt hurt at me. Anyways, stay eternally mad as you go and lurk at NeoGAF more. lol

Anyways, take your little victory lap, I'm officially tired of this thread. Unless someone has something of substance to say to me about antisemitism, I'm done replying.

 

[Homophobic white dog]

Because Gypsies refused to give up their culture, and there was no incentive for them to do so since wandering around doing odd jobs made them money and any Gypsy who settled down would be kicked out of their tribe. Jews lived similarly to urban Europeans (although with restrictions on trade, dress, etc.) so those who did convert to Christianity by choice or force found it easier to assimilate. And it doesn't really matter the Church protected Jews when the same Church venerated as saints the same theologians who formulated the doctrine of Jews having a special curse on them for rejecting and killing Jesus.

The 'odd jobs' they had, when they were legitimate, were self-employed. Gypsies in Italy, before the influx of the ones from the Balkans, were especially horse breeders and circus owners.

The Jews have no curse for killing Jesus, Catholic doctrine says they have a specific role by virtue of their rejection of him, if anything. There is really no reason to see in the Church the culprit of the persecutions, not even the moral one. There were saints who called them every name under the sun (St. John Crysostom anyone?) but the Church itself was always able to formulate a modus vivendi with a minority like this one. Granted, it was framed as a concession, but if you look at how religious minorities lived in Muslim countries, tolerance was also framed in these terms.

Not integrating =/= not European. It's really no different than how a 16th century Swede would be totally out of place in 16th century Romania, but both are still Europeans. Difference is Jews didn't have a homeland in Europe as by the time it was politically feasible to make one, Palestine had already been conquered by the Anglos which as I said, greatly impacted Zionism (which didn't stop gentiles and an extreme minority of Zionists from proposing weird shit like ethnically cleansing Prussia of Germans and resettling it with Jews or sending the Jews to Albania or Crimea). Ashkenazim and to a degree Sephardim are more or less culturally European in the same way the Mizrahim are culturally Middle Eastern. But that doesn't make them at home anywhere in Europe since they don't have a homeland.

Define European. Aside from living in Europe, that is. In my acception I meant it as belonging to a local national European culture like Italian, German, French, Russian and what have you, with their regional subidentities, but what even is European culture as a whole, taken in block? We know for a fact that Jews weren't French, German, Polish or whatever, then what were they?
Europe as a unified entity is a spook.
I think a major requirement of being Italian, French or whatever is feeling at home in Italy or France, or you know surrounded by Italian or French culture, whatever they are.

And my point is there's no such thing as "natural" behavior. Our culture went in this direction, therefore people follow. It's no different than why all of a sudden one day Europeans really started hating Jews to the point of massacres in the streets when in Roman times nothing like that happened outside of Jewish rebellions. Yes, there's powerful people involved in changing things for their benefit. Always has been.

Natural, I would say authentic behavior is human behavior not affected by state or para-state influence, behavior that isn't artificiously socially engineered.
The thing is, states always existed but their power has truly emerged with the first nation-states in the 19th century, this is when aspects like public education start shaping the mentalities of citizens as much as if not more than organic peer pressure, which has itself been swallowed by state influence.
It isn't that natural behavior has never existed, it's that it's been suppressed and continues to be suppressed proportionally to the growth of the state.
Anyway, I guess we're entering anarchist or even communist territory here.

That's exactly what I mean. Reform Jews are Jews totally compromised to whatever the dominant Western ideology is and "Conservative" Jews are like 99% compromised. So now switch the dominant Western ideology, and you get a sort of Jew that can assimilate.

Reform Judaism is already an assimilated form of Judaism relative to Western values, what you want is assimilation on your own terms. Well, I have news for you, fam, Western 'ideology' is not going to change, and neither will the Jews of the diaspora with it.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

"Where does anti-semitism come from?"

>I join the thread to give a sample of my craft-brewed, artisanal anti-semitism
>I read the thread
>It has been invaded by a Jew who is screeching that we should legalize child porn

Nevermind, guess my work is done here.

Gradually,

 

[Certified_Autist]

There is a distinction. Look at Twitter, for instance, plenty of people claiming to be Jews there, many who don't even believe in their religion, siding with the Palestinians because bleeding heart libtard logic. Are you going to tell me there is no difference between Mark Levin and Jon Stewart? Not seeing any nuance here is idiotic. I don't see how your'e that different from anyone else that just posts edgy one liners and leaves it at that.

I quite clearly explained how Jews tend to agree on certain issues, despite taking different sides in the left-right divide. Your reply above ignores my point, and simply repeats that Jews take different sides in the left-right divide......which I already acknowledged, and expanded on previously to demonstrate ways they agree despite that! You're a fucking retard.

Are you seriously suggesting the ultra-nationalist government of Israel is left wing in any fashion? Obama, the defacto liberal boogeyman for years, even had multiple tantrums over them during his administration and Netenyahu basically told him to go pound sand.

Nationalism doesn't correlate with the left-right spectrum- the Soviet Union was extremely nationalist, as was Mao's China, but no sane person would call them rightwing. Israel is also very pro LGBT. Any differences between Netanyhu and Obama were ultimately irrelevant as Israel continued to get funding and intel from the U.S. regardless.

You haven't given me any examples where you even diverge from the /pol/ consensus. Not one example.

I never claimed to be part of (or not part of) some imaginary "/pol/ consensus". Quit adding goal posts to arguments I never made

To the Holocaust question you could have just said, "Yes, it happened, and it was wrong to execute millions of civilians."

I did say parts of it happened, and I did say it was wrong.

Instead, you just go into a laundry list of /pol/ type narrative nitpicking/coping and

Pointing out areas where the official story is factually wrong is not "nipicking" or "coping". If anything that seems like projection- you're very clearly coping with not being able to rationally respond to my points. You do this by sidestepping all my points and simply labeling them as "/pol/", so you can mentally justify ignoring them.

don't even address the wide scale murder

I did address the large-scale murder- many people died from starvation when supply lines collapsed, as stated earlier. Others died from medical experimentation.

which every historian agrees occurred instead only bringing up "labor camps."

It is objectively true that every concentration camp existed as a labor camp. Even "normie" historians agree on this, and every single Holocaust testimony describes being forced to do various types of labor and sometimes even being transferred from one camp to another depending on how much labor was needed in certain areas.

Easy lay up, instead you just went right back into /pol/ sperging and proved my point that no one who says this stuff is an arbiter of truth.

You have absolutely no ground to decide who is and isn't an "arbiter of truth". Especially not when you have no counter-arguments besides "waahhh ur a /pol/ user waaahhhh"

Yeah, I'm not sold on your lack of bias and or racial hatred. You've posted nothing different than the kooks.

Ad hominem, blah blah blah. I could just as easily say
>Yeah, I'm not sold on your lack of bias or jewish ingroup preference. You've posted nothing different than the kooks

The Jews have no curse for killing Jesus,

Minor nitpick but the Bible would disagree
Matthew 27:15-25

Spoiler: Spoilered for length, skip to last sentence for relevant verse

12 When he was accused by the chief priests and the elders, he gave no answer. 13 Then Pilate asked him, “Don’t you hear the testimony they are bringing against you?” 14 But Jesus made no reply, not even to a single charge—to the great amazement of the governor.

15 Now it was the governor’s custom at the festival to release a prisoner chosen by the crowd. 16 At that time they had a well-known prisoner whose name was Jesus[b] Barabbas. 17 So when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them, “Which one do you want me to release to you: Jesus Barabbas, or Jesus who is called the Messiah?” 18 For he knew it was out of self-interest that they had handed Jesus over to him.

19 While Pilate was sitting on the judge’s seat, his wife sent him this message: “Don’t have anything to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of him.”

20 But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.

21 “Which of the two do you want me to release to you?” asked the governor.

“Barabbas,” they answered.

22 “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked.

They all answered, “Crucify him!”

23 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate.

But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”

24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”

25 All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!”

Catholic doctrine says they have a specific role by virtue of their rejection of him, if anything.

That's a post-Vatican-II belief. Prior to Vatican II the doctrine of the Catholic Church was in accordance with the Biblical doctrine that the Jews were resposible for Christ's death and bore blame for it.

There is really no reason to see in the Church the culprit of the persecutions, not even the moral one. There were saints who called them every name under the sun (St. John Crysostom anyone?) but the Church itself was always able to formulate a modus vivendi with a minority like this one. Granted, it was framed as a concession, but if you look at how religious minorities lived in Muslim countries, tolerance was also framed in these terms.

This is mostly true. There were exceptions like during the Inquisition, and many nominally Catholic monarchs/princes expelled Jews from their countries. But overall the Church itself behaved mostly neutral or in some cases even mildly positve towards Jews, theological beliefs notwhistanding.

There is a lot of debate over how the Catholic Church handled Hitler/WW2, (and many conflicting claims) but I think any instances of friendliness to the Axis powers were because of political maneuvering and not neccesarily because of any beliefs about Jews.

 

[Mothra1988]

@Certified_Autist

I did address the large-scale murder- many people died from starvation when supply lines collapsed, as stated earlier. Others died from medical experimentation.

If you believe the Final Solution was a hoax and Jews weren't systemically murdered, you are another crackpot. No way around it, I don't know why I'm supposed to take you seriously as an indpendent arbiter when you're doing basic Holocaust denial and history revisionism.

 

[Certified_Autist]

@Certified_Autist


If you believe the Final Solution was a hoax and Jews weren't systemically murdered, you are another crackpot.

Dismiss me as a "crackpot" all you like, but name-calling doesn't disprove anything I said.

No way around it, I don't know why I'm supposed to take you seriously as an indpendent arbiter

And I don't know how anyone can take you seriously when you can't even formulate a counter-argument to anything, that isn't some type of ad-hominem or thought-stopping cliche

you're doing Holocaust denial

history revisionism.

And there you go again, completely ignoring the points I raised and using thought-stopping cliches so you don't have to actually address them, or think about them.

I also like how you completely dropped the earlier argument we were having about why anti-semitism exists, and now you're just reeing because someone doesn't 100% blindly believe every last detail of your people's victim story.

You do realize this type of behavior reflects very poorly on Jews? Name-calling, using thought stopping phrases to avoid replying to arguments, refusal to admit Jews have ever lied or done something wrong, pretending like any negative Jewish behaviors don't exist. And all of this done with zero self-awareness. If you're not a Jew you're damn good at roleplaying one.

 

[Mothra1988]

Dismiss me as a "crackpot" all you like, but name-calling doesn't disprove anything I said.


And I don't know how anyone can take you seriously when you can't even formulate a counter-argument to anything, that isn't some type of ad-hominem or thought-stopping cliche



And there you go again, completely ignoring the points I raised and using thought-stopping cliches so you don't have to actually address them, or think about them.

I also like how you completely dropped the earlier argument we were having about why anti-semitism exists, and now you're just reeing because someone doesn't 100% blindly believe every last detail of your people's victim story.

You do realize this type of behavior reflects very poorly on Jews? Name-calling, using thought stopping phrases to avoid replying to arguments, refusal to admit Jews have ever lied or done something wrong, pretending like any negative Jewish behaviors don't exist. And all of this done with zero self-awareness. If you're not a Jew you're damn good at roleplaying one.

Not believing in the Holocaust isn't a minor detail. Millions of civilian men, women and children were systematically slaughtered, and every serious historian agrees it was a real event. I don't have to disprove what you said, facts already do that. You may as well be saying Pearl Harbor didn't happen or the Civil War was a hoax. This isn't like arguing whether or not Romulus founded Rome, where the real history from thousands of years ago is completely unclear, the Holocaust fucking happened and it was intentional murder, not "supplies running out." Why should I take you seriously after something as huge as that? What is the point in debating you on any other points? You're not an independent party. You're chugging the anti-semetic white nationalist kool-aid no matter whatever you consider yourself to be.

 

[FarCentrist]

What the fuck is an "internet person"? you need therapy my dude my heckin guy uhh touch grass you are not normal
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Is that cosmo

 

[Certified_Autist]

Not believing in the Holocaust isn't a minor detail.

Read what I wrote you retard nigger. I didn't say I "disbelieved" the holocaust, concentration camps were real. I just said that details about it were incorrect.

Millions of civilian men, women and children were systematically slaughtered

There was never an order given to mass-kill prisoners in camps. Written, verbal, or otherwise. We know this because we cracked the Enigma code in 1941 and were monitoring all German radio communcations through the majority of the war, and because after the war we captured their written paper records.

and every serious historian agrees it was a real event.

I said it was a real event, dipshit.

I don't have to disprove what you said, facts already do that.

Facts regarding many of the details are not on your side, as I outlined in my previous post.

You may as well be saying Pearl Harbor didn't happen or the Civil Wars was a hoax. This isn't like arguing whether or not Romulus founded Rome, where the real history from thousands of years ago is completely unclear, the Holocaust fucking happened and it was intentional murder, not "supplies running out." Why should I take you seriously after something as huge as that?

Because I am right, and if you bothered to read and understand what I said you would realize that.

What is the point in debating you on any other points? You're not an independent party. You're chugging the anti-semetic white nationalist kool-aid no matter whatever you consider yourself to be.

I already made my point, not only on the holocaust but on every other subject of this discussion. It's pretty clear you can't make a counter-argument that doesn't fall back to calling me names, so I see no point in continuing this discussion,