‘It now feels as though I am on my own’ - Trans-man discovers being a man is more difficult than she imagined

‘It now feels as though I am on my own’​

Zander Keig, 52, San Diego

Coast Guard veteran. Works at Naval Medical Center San Diego as a clinical social work case manager. Editor of anthologies about transgender men. Started transition in 2005.

Prior to my transition, I was an outspoken radical feminist. I spoke up often, loudly and with confidence. I was encouraged to speak up. I was given awards for my efforts, literally — it was like, “Oh, yeah, speak up, speak out.” When I speak up now, I am often given the direct or indirect message that I am “mansplaining,” “taking up too much space” or “asserting my white male heterosexual privilege.” Never mind that I am a first-generation Mexican American, a transsexual man, and married to the same woman I was with prior to my transition.

I find the assertion that I am now unable to speak out on issues I find important offensive and I refuse to allow anyone to silence me. My ability to empathize has grown exponentially, because I now factor men into my thinking and feeling about situations. Prior to my transition, I rarely considered how men experienced life or what they thought, wanted or liked about their lives. I have learned so much about the lives of men through my friendships with men, reading books and articles by and for men and through the men I serve as a licensed clinical social worker.

Social work is generally considered to be “female dominated,” with women making up about 80 percent of the profession in the United States. Currently I work exclusively with clinical nurse case managers, but in my previous position, as a medical social worker working with chronically homeless military veterans — mostly male — who were grappling with substance use disorder and severe mental illness, I was one of a few men among dozens of women.

Zander Keig, a Coast Guard veteran and a board member for the Transgender American Veterans Association, attends its meeting in Washington.
Plenty of research shows that life events, medical conditions and family circumstances impact men and women differently. But when I would suggest that patient behavioral issues like anger or violence may be a symptom of trauma or depression, it would often get dismissed or outright challenged. The overarching theme was “men are violent” and there was “no excuse” for their actions.

I do notice that some women do expect me to acquiesce or concede to them more now: Let them speak first, let them board the bus first, let them sit down first, and so on. I also notice that in public spaces men are more collegial with me, which they express through verbal and nonverbal messages: head lifting when passing me on the sidewalk and using terms like “brother” and “boss man” to acknowledge me. As a former lesbian feminist, I was put off by the way that some women want to be treated by me, now that I am a man, because it violates a foundational belief I carry, which is that women are fully capable human beings who do not need men to acquiesce or concede to them.


What continues to strike me is the significant reduction in friendliness and kindness now extended to me in public spaces. It now feels as though I am on my own: No one, outside of family and close friends, is paying any attention to my well-being.

I can recall a moment where this difference hit home. A couple of years into my medical gender transition, I was traveling on a public bus early one weekend morning. There were six people on the bus, including me. One was a woman. She was talking on a mobile phone very loudly and remarked that “men are such a–holes.” I immediately looked up at her and then around at the other men. Not one had lifted his head to look at the woman or anyone else. The woman saw me look at her and then commented to the person she was speaking with about “some a–hole on the bus right now looking at me.” I was stunned, because I recall being in similar situations, but in the reverse, many times: A man would say or do something deemed obnoxious or offensive, and I would find solidarity with the women around me as we made eye contact, rolled our eyes and maybe even commented out loud on the situation. I’m not sure I understand why the men did not respond, but it made a lasting impression on me.


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Full FtMs - not your trans enbys - often pass, because a beard does a lot of heavy lifting. Look at them longer, and you'll generally pick up on troon details like height and body shape, but she's now learning that men don't get looked at longer, or at all.
There’s a pic of her on FB standing with other women and a man at Disney World. Guess which group she most resembles.
The life of a man isn't really that lonely, she just has shitty support and assumes strangers will still smile at her instead of thinking she's a creepy dude trying to stare at other women.
She appears to have a great relationship with her ex-Marine dad and family, and is longtime married to another woman. Her support system seems fine, she’s just a mental headcase.
 
Most of them, because they're taught they deserve the tender care of a princess while also being strong and powerful; and anyone who violates either of those or expects them to pick one or the other is a woman hater. And a majority of the ones that do know wallow in enjoyment that they can plat both sides and have plenty of dudes willing to jump through their hoops to appease them. The worst case I ever saw was I was out with friends, and near the end of the night dude goes to take a piss and while he's gone his girlfriend (at the moment) starts dancing with some dude. He comes out gives her the "Hey, let's go" and she gives him the "Don't tell me what to do, you're not the boss of me. This guy knows how to have fun" and other dumb shit. So he tells her once, "Either come home with me, or you can go home with him." In her feminine stupor she tells him fine and to leave, so he does. Sure as shit, she calls him up in the morning crying about why didn't he stop her, completely unable to understand she was being a dumb fucking retard. I know there are those out there who aren't like that, but the ones who live in the bug hives and follow the mass media are, completely soulless mannequins pretending to be something that deserves to be equal or have rights.

Also, if you really are a radfem of any type (and in the USA); you should know that the sufragettes weren't interested in suffrage as long as it meant they have the same obligations that men do. That obligation being forced conscription to go fight and die because "your nation" called you to battle. They couldn't get the majority of women on, until it was assured they'd have the right to vote, without the right to die in a fucking hole in some god forsaken country. And before you say anything, universal male suffrage wasn't a thing until after the Civil War; even before then men could be conscripted, fight, and die for a country they have no say in. What kind of woman has never considered that indeed.
I live in a rural area and can say the women here are just as entitled. I've never met a woman who gives a rats ass about what men have to deal with. They just call us dumb and act smug without trying to understand men. because that's what they were taught by their mothers. These women have zero appreciation for what their husbands, brothers, and fathers do for them and the community. I don't think the majority of women care what men go through or deal with because they're selfish and entitled.
 
Welcome to being a man, where you bottle everything up, become an alcoholic and die of a heart attack at 55 or blow your brains out. Where society expects you to do everything with no social system. Men don't respond to shit on the bus because its not worth the hassle. Some Karen would pull her phone out, find your linked in, Facebook and social media accounts and start emailing everyone you know and calling you a misogynist.

Men have always been disposable. Privilege goes both ways. We all die in wars, get murdered more, have higher rates of undiagnosed depression, have body image issues and are mocked for it, our major cause of death is suicide due to despair or heart attack due to stress. Society is thought of as equal, yet gender roles have not at all changed for men. Men have higher prison sentences than women and are more likely to get harsher punishments. Please note, I am not complaining, I'm just listing the realities. We're still expected to make more than women, even though less men are going to school than women. And women's starting salaries are higher for men. We're still expected to pay for dates and you're thought of as a cheap asshole if you make your date pay. We're still expected to do all the work while dating, doing the chase and looked at as weak if we don't. We are not allowed to have any sort of standards whatsoever or objectify women, even though we are judged/objectified constantly on minute things on our appearance, so much so it gives people a complex. See the OkCupid graph where female attractiveness is a normal distribution and a perfect bell curve when judged by men, but when male appearance is judged by women it is so skewed to be functionally useless. And lets not even talk about emotions.

A female crying in front of a professor? Jeez, what did that professor do? What a cunt/asshole.
A man crying in front of a professor? lol, what a faggot.

The reality is that men don't even rely on their girlfriends for social support systems with feelings, they rely on other men. Because contrary to popular belief, they don't really give a shit. I tried doing that and what I got was 'I'm not your therapist'. Its why you have all these articles about men just abandoning relationships or spending more times with their male friends than their girlfriends. I've opened up more to my male friends than any of my ex'es (though all my exes were manipulative sociopaths so you don't really want to give them ammo).

I'm not saying men are perfect or have it the worst. You learn to be self-reliant and make a decent friend circle. And because of the imbalance in gender roles, men are being more picky about the women they date. Which is where the catlady articles come from and why 'simp' and 'cuck' has suddenly entered the lexicon. Because why are you tolerating a woman that treats you like absolute dogshit? Move on.
 
don't be an autist and be mildly intelligent to plan ahead and you can snag a decent job. don't burn off cash at weekends on alcohol, save, investment, pay off loans and acquire property. meet a woman either at work, hobby centre or through a mutual female friend. sign a prenup. manipulate her behavior and control her habits and friends. that is easy mode

men can go in crime if not prostitution if everything above feels like a chore
There’s always being an anime streamer with a voice changer. That’s the lowest of the low though.
 
don't be an autist and be mildly intelligent to plan ahead and you can snag a decent job. don't burn off cash at weekends on alcohol, save, investment, pay off loans and acquire property. meet a woman either at work, hobby centre or through a mutual female friend. sign a prenup. manipulate her behavior and control her habits and friends. that is easy mode

men can go in crime if not prostitution if everything above feels like a chore
So let me get this straight. You think "Don't eat like a pig, get hitched with a man who finds you moderately attractive and live the good life while set for life" is hard mode, and "Work hard, plan out your life and finances ahead with economic knowledge you aquired at a young age, seduce a woman with well-practiced social manipulation and keep working to support her for the rest of your natural life" is easy mode? Got some bad news for you, dude. You were likely dropped on your head as a baby.
 
Men have always been disposable.
While I hope this is something that you don't think yourself, this is a lie that must be debunked. Men are not disposable, not now, not before, not ever. They are, in fact the most important factor for a functioning society, rural or urban, settled or nomadic, agriculturalist or pastoralist. They are responsible for food procurement, for defense, for the arts, trade ventures, sciences and even language was started by men.

This diminishing sense of brotherhood, of hatred towards males, I'm not sure exactly how it started, I don't doubt it always existed, but the current sentiment and outright disgust towards men are something that have never existed prior to our days.

Men are not disposable, expendable, replaceable - to think otherwise is anti-male garbage and absolute misandry.
 
I can recall a moment where this difference hit home. A couple of years into my medical gender transition, I was traveling on a public bus early one weekend morning. There were six people on the bus, including me. One was a woman. She was talking on a mobile phone very loudly and remarked that “men are such a–holes.” I immediately looked up at her and then around at the other men. Not one had lifted his head to look at the woman or anyone else. The woman saw me look at her and then commented to the person she was speaking with about “some a–hole on the bus right now looking at me.” I was stunned, because I recall being in similar situations, but in the reverse, many times: A man would say or do something deemed obnoxious or offensive, and I would find solidarity with the women around me as we made eye contact, rolled our eyes and maybe even commented out loud on the situation. I’m not sure I understand why the men did not respond, but it made a lasting impression on me.

This part really cracked me up. What exactly did she think was going on here? Men don't care about some dumb bitch yapping on their phone. Why didn't the men show 'solidarity'? Why didn't the men 'respond'? How, exactly? Should they all have gotten up, come to where this weirdo was sitting, and hugged her while saying, you are valid, you are loved? She has no idea how men live, how they feel, how they respond to the world. 'He' might have a few outward trappings of masculinity, like the beard, but it's just a costume.
 
The reality is that men don't even rely on their girlfriends for social support systems with feelings, they rely on other men. Because contrary to popular belief, they don't really give a shit.
It's a coin toss between "I don't give a shit" and "DOES NOT COMPUTE". Either way, they just aren't equipped to handle male vulnerability-- they will almost always be disgusted by it. They won't even know what to do. (I presume) the woman today has been indoctrinated enough to believe that they're actually looking for "kind, sensitive men in touch with their feelings" that they don't actually recognize their disgust when the man lets their tear ducts shake the rust off.

It's not just girlfriends. Female friends, female family members-- all of them despise male vulnerability at their core. They almost always will look at you worse for it, and they certainly won't look at you any better, regardless of how much they tell you how you ought to learn that "it's okay to feel".

If they have any use for your open vulnerability, it's to get "something" (e.g. your compliance, your agreement, resources) out of you. Some are malicious about this, but others just can't help to do this because persuasive social navigation is the best tool women have.

This reality by itself is fine. It's not the first thing I'd expect, nor is it what I'd want, but it can't be helped. Women rely on men in a different way than men rely on other men or women rely on women. On some level, women appraise men based on how likely it is for them to be able to keep them safe from danger and provide for them.

My issue is that women's subculture appears to not promote self-awareness. Far too many of them do not know what they want, at their core. Some actively deny it. Still, it all comes out in their actions and fixations. Even total hatred of their femininity will not change the fact that they're women, think like women, and have the wants of women. But because they suppress this part of themselves to the point of near-total unawareness, they can't ever hope to mediate it with logic and their other senses. That, and men are misled about what women want whenever they care about what women want-- the irony would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
 
So let me get this straight. You think "Don't eat like a pig, get hitched with a man who finds you moderately attractive and live the good life while set for life" is hard mode, and "Work hard, plan out your life and finances ahead with economic knowledge you aquired at a young age, seduce a woman with well-practiced social manipulation and keep working to support her for the rest of your natural life" is easy mode? Got some bad news for you, dude. You were likely dropped on your head as a baby.
bruh all women don't yearn for sugar daddies & shopping. that's like saying neets represent all men
there are countless problems exclusive to being a woman. for example can't sit in peace for a moment without some fella asking your name in an attempt to hit on you
 
bruh all women don't yearn for sugar daddies & shopping. that's like saying neets represent all men
there are countless problems exclusive to being a woman. for example can't sit in peace for a moment without some fella asking your name in an attempt to hit on you
Definitely way worse than getting drafted. You have my sympathies.
 
bruh all women don't yearn for sugar daddies & shopping. that's like saying neets represent all men
there are countless problems exclusive to being a woman. for example can't sit in peace for a moment without some fella asking your name in an attempt to hit on you
It's not about what you want. It's about your options. If you can make hundreds of thousands of neetbux by just taking off your shirt for strangers on the internet, something that men can't do because nobody wants to see their tits, you are playing on easy mode. The fact that you want to become an astronaut or whatever and are having a hard time is not because the game is hard, it's because you decided to try a challenge run. You can stop the challenge run at literally any time (before you hit the wall, and even post-wall will be normal difficulty at worst) and coast through the game simply by not trying to become a fucking astronaut.

And woe is me, people think you're attractive! The horror of being easily able to seduce some simp into paying for all your shit just by virtue of people liking the way you look. Way to prove my point.
 
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See the OkCupid graph where female attractiveness is a normal distribution and a perfect bell curve when judged by men, but when male appearance is judged by women it is so skewed to be functionally useless.
I like the rest of your post, but that graph is such a fucking pet peeve for me. IIRC it was a study done of like 2000 women (might have been total participants so maybe even less women), so pretty poor sample size to begin with. The way the study was done was that OKC users were sent random pfp of other users to rate. So at best the graph just shows what women who use OKC think of men who use OKC. And when you consider that men who use OKC are probably below average, after all they are men struggling to date conventionally, the numbers make more sense.

Plus women who use dating sites are the absolute bottom of the barrel and their opinions should just be discarded. Remember that OKC is for dating, not hook ups. Women on there are struggling to keep a man around, which means their personality is completely fucking insufferable.

Things might be shitty, but they're not that shitty. No reason to make up things to doom over when the world is already fucked.

While I hope this is something that you don't think yourself, this is a lie that must be debunked. Men are not disposable, not now, not before, not ever. They are, in fact the most important factor for a functioning society, rural or urban, settled or nomadic, agriculturalist or pastoralist. They are responsible for food procurement, for defense, for the arts, trade ventures, sciences and even language was started by men.

This diminishing sense of brotherhood, of hatred towards males, I'm not sure exactly how it started, I don't doubt it always existed, but the current sentiment and outright disgust towards men are something that have never existed prior to our days.

Men are not disposable, expendable, replaceable - to think otherwise is anti-male garbage and absolute misandry.
Collectively men are not disposable. An individual man is, by the metrics of society bottom text, disposable compared to an individual woman.
 
I like the rest of your post, but that graph is such a fucking pet peeve for me. IIRC it was a study done of like 2000 women (might have been total participants so maybe even less women), so pretty poor sample size to begin with. The way the study was done was that OKC users were sent random pfp of other users to rate. So at best the graph just shows what women who use OKC think of men who use OKC. And when you consider that men who use OKC are probably below average, after all they are men struggling to date conventionally, the numbers make more sense.

Plus women who use dating sites are the absolute bottom of the barrel and their opinions should just be discarded. Remember that OKC is for dating, not hook ups. Women on there are struggling to keep a man around, which means their personality is completely fucking insufferable.

Things might be shitty, but they're not that shitty. No reason to make up things to doom over when the world is already fucked.


Collectively men are not disposable. An individual man is, by the metrics of society bottom text, disposable compared to an individual woman.
A Socrates will never be more disposable than a woman.
 
Definitely way worse than getting drafted. You have my sympathies.
neither you nor your daddy was ever drafted so don't play that card yet. and you would be drafted in the name of male president so blame his vision
It's not about what you want. It's about your options. If you can make hundreds of thousands of neetbux by just taking off your shirt for strangers on the internet, something that men can't do because nobody wants to see their tits, you are playing on easy mode.

And woe is me, people think you're attractive! The horror of being easily able to seduce some simp into paying for all your shit just by virtue of people liking the way you look. Way to prove my point.
men make excellent homeless hobos. no need of hundreds of thousands of neetbux
 
I mean some random asshole like you or me. Obviously a dude on the cusp of curing cancer is worth a million women, but 99.9999999999% of men don't have that luxury.
If a woman can't or refuses to reproduce, she is no more valuable than any other man. The question then is, other than female validation, what's the inherent value that women have over men?
 
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bruh all women don't yearn for sugar daddies & shopping. that's like saying neets represent all men
there are countless problems exclusive to being a woman. for example can't sit in peace for a moment without some fella asking your name in an attempt to hit on you
Hoh no, ppl giving you attention.

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Alright incel mode off.

No one saying women dont have anything to deal with but anyone saying, woman have it harder than man is fooling itself. Do i rly need to bring up suicide stats? Homelessness stats? . Men are statiscally more likely to be the victims of crimes. We have literal orgs entirely dedicated to helping women. Ive yet to find a man violence shelter. Parental rights? Children will be given to their drug addict mothers before a working father in pretty much most cases. Social expectation of men to go die off in war, to be the main earner, etc. Were expected to deal with all our shit, in silence and if we dont ... we failed as a man. And again, if we have an issue with anything, were told to stfu about it because women have problems too and that were actually "priviledged". Im lucky myself being over 6ft tall but try being a short fat or non muscular balding men, hoh that is super fun i heard.
 
Hoh no, ppl giving you attention.

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Alright incel mode off.

No one saying women dont have anything to deal with but anyone saying, woman have it harder than man is fooling itself. Do i rly need to bring up suicide stats? Homelessness stats?
women cut hands for attention. why are men jumping from the roofs?
Men are statiscally more likely to be the victims of crimes
*crimes committed by men
We have literal orgs entirely dedicated to helping women. Ive yet to find a man violence shelter.
it's called prison
Parental rights? Children will be given to their drug addict mothers before a working father in pretty much most cases.
factually false. and is the working father gonna take care or work
Social expectation of men to go die off in war,
in wars started by men
to be the main earner, etc.
not true in the current economy. and the main earner becomes the shotcaller of the major decisions of the family unit. do men agree to be subservient?
Were expected to deal with all our shit, in silence and if we dont ... we failed as a man. And again, if we have an issue with anything, were told to stfu about it because women have problems too and that were actually "priviledged". Im lucky myself being over 6ft tall but try being a short fat or non muscular balding men, hoh that is super fun i heard.
everyone deals with their shit on own. what else do you expect? license to do mass shootings?
and if someone's entire personality is being the short fat man, people are gonna notice that first.... learn some skills or get a goddamn face tattoo
 
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