It's impossible to discuss anything on KF these days.

[WE'RE ALL GONNA]

I just joined and I have already confirmed the green reddit meme. This site is for semi-normies who are moralfaggots and can't handle alt. imageboards but still want their 4chan humor. So they need their reddit culling but without the n-word ban.

R*ddit used to be good, you sick little chud.

 

[skykiii]

The Bad Thing #1: Gut the U.S Constitution, mutilate children for the trans cult, and open the border to rig elections

The Bad Thing #2: Keep things normal so the above doesn't happen

The problem is no, a lot of the more extreme anti-wokes would not "keep things normal." They would do exactly what you listed in Bad Thing #1, just they would do it in ways you agree with.

I mean, you yourself have said you want harsh restrictions on what artists and writers are allowed to do, in the name of "curbing degeneracy." That kind of shit is exactly what led to things like ACT (the group that made it so reruns of Looney Tunes had to edit out any scenes of Elmer Fudd firing his gun) and BADD (the group that made it so Dungeons & Dragons couldn't say "demon" or "devil" for a long time).

And guess what? That's a violation of the First Amendment. Which unfortunately seems to be the one amendment both sides love violating, and its always "well, see, its okay when we do it, because we're doing it for a good reason!"

No. Either gutting the Constitution is bad or it isn't. Anything else is some bullshit Moral Relativism.

Same goes with the other things. Like let's say that some right-wing religious group came up and convinced lots of people that all their daughters had to get body modifications to cut off their breasts and flatten their asses because Tits and Ass can "lead man to sin." That would still be "mutilating children." I would hope you'd hate those people just as much as you hate the trans cult.

Or let's say there turned out to be a country of people who have extremely right-wing belief and the Trump administration allowed them in by the boatloads because he knew they'd vote Republican. Would you be fine with that or would we agree that "importing immigrants to rig elections" is bad no matter who is doing it?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The problem is no, a lot of the more extreme anti-wokes would not "keep things normal." They would do exactly what you listed in Bad Thing #1, just they would do it in ways you agree with.

Baseless and absurd claim.

I mean, you yourself have said you want harsh restrictions on what artists and writers are allowed to do, in the name of "curbing degeneracy."

And guess what? That's a violation of the First Amendment.

The First Amendment is not absolute, it wasn't intended to be nor can (or should) it be; no country has ever (especially not one you want to live in) had free speech absolutism. You can't let people tell others they're going to murder them, or rape them, threats and sexual harassment are restricted speech. That's just one of many examples of a limit, but the easiest everyone agrees with. It illustrates the principle that some speech can't be allowed, and it's just what speech we restrict that we disagree on, but everyone wants SOME limit.

Either gutting the Constitution is bad or it isn't.

The above isn't gutting it, but Democrats not wanting you praying at abortion clinics (infanticide facilities, if we're doing away with the euphemisms), for example, is.

"Aha, but both are restrictions, and therefore are the same!" - Smoothbrain

let's say that some right-wing religious group came up and convinced lots of people that all their daughters had to get body modifications to cut off their breasts and flatten their asses because Tits and Ass can "lead man to sin." That would still be "mutilating children." I would hope you'd hate those people just as much as you hate the trans cult.

The very fact you need to create a laughable, unbiblical hypothetical "right-wing conservative religion" that has never and will never exist in this country (especially not with any degree of power, whereas PRESIDENTS were pro-tranny cult) just to get anywhere near the current, existing, real transgender cult should tip you off to the fact that your very premises are flawed.

However, to answer the question regardless, I'd hate that new cult too, but still not AS much; at least their intended goals would be noble and their cause based in reality (unlike changing genders), making them the slight lesser evil, though still needing to be completely opposed.

Or let's say there turned out to be a country of people who have extremely right-wing belief and the Trump administration allowed them in by the boatloads because he knew they'd vote Republican. Would you be fine with that or would we agree that "importing immigrants to rig elections" is bad no matter who is doing it?

I'm against immigration even if it helps my political party (Cubans supposedly lean right-wing, for example). That's because I don't want non-White, non-Christians flooding the country. By all means, bring in as many of those as you want as long as they swear loyalty to America too.

There's a difference between bringing in Muslim rape gangs and bringing in nice White Christian families from Canada or whatever. This is the nuance you don't see. Not all speech restrictions are the same, not all immigration is the same, things can be in the same category but be completely different, they can be good and bad.

It's like eating mushrooms, yeah, the poisonous ones exist and are mushrooms...just don't eat those. It's called discernment. It's not hypocrisy or inconsistency, it's wisdom and understanding.

Edit: Any errors are because I'm tired

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

The very fact you need to create a laughable, unbiblical hypothetical "right-wing conservative religion" that has never and will never exist in this country (especially not with any degree of power, whereas PRESIDENTS were pro-tranny cult) just to get anywhere near the current, existing, real transgender cult should tip you off to the fact that your very premises are flawed.

There are cults that claim to be Christian and also believe that they worship God by playing with venomous snakes. Never underestimate things people can come up with when they are bored or mentally ill.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

There are cults that claim to be Christian and also believe that they worship God by playing with venomous snakes. Never underestimate things people can come up with when they are bored or mentally ill.

There's still a rationale there which doesn't necessarily (at least not as overtly) contradict biblical teachings, it's just unwise, to put it mildly.

Your body is the temple of God, you're supposed to care for it, not damage it. You may be inclined to point out circumcision, but regardless of how you feel about it that's a specific thing mentioned in the Bible for a specific reason. There's no my biblical support for the idea of mutilating yourself to remain chaste, especially not doing so to innocent children. The closest you could get is the metaphorical casting off of your right hand in Mathew 5:30, but even that'd be a decision you make for yourself if you feel like you cannot stop sinning, not a decision you make for others.

Now, there's nothing stopping people from making cults which invent/defy biblical teachings or otherwise split from orthodoxy, but it then literally wouldn't be "conservative", by definition it could not be, which undermines his point.

 

[skykiii]

However, to answer the question regardless, I'd hate that new cult too, but still not AS much; at least their intended goals would be noble and their cause based in reality (unlike changing genders), making them the slight lesser evil, though still needing to be completely opposed.

I suppose this will have to suffice, altho the kvitching that "At least its for the right reasons" bothers me. I'm highly doubtful that evil means can ever come to good ends.

Also, you specifically have had some extreme stances in the past. I recall specifically you claimed Dororo was "appealing to lolis" in a context where that made absolutely no sense, and then said Tezuka should have had the character wearing a historically-unrealistic outfit (isn't rewriting history to fit modern values something we hate when the left does it?)

Also correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you also see Pauline in Donkey Kong Bananza being barefoot and immediately assume "foot fetish," or was that someone else?

.....................

So, I added something new to the OP. For those who don't want to backtrack, I'll post it here as well:

New addition to the OP:

Here's another Kiwi-ism that's been bothering me, "anything fun is bad for you."

It goes like this:

KIWI: "Don't watch TV, it'll make you troon out."
NORMAL GUY: "Okay, I guess western media is pretty woke now. Anime should be fine..."
KIWI: "No! Anime will make you troon out too!"
NORMAL GUY: "... What about video games?"
KIWI: "Those will also make you troon out!"
NORMAL GUY: "Guess I'll read the Silmarillion finally..."
KIWI: "No! Fantasy literature will also make you troon out!"
NORMAL GUY: "So... is there anything at all that won't make someone troon out?"
KIWI: "Ummmm...."
NORMAL GUY: "Why do you think these things will cause trooning anyway?"
KIWI: "Because a lot of the lolcows we cover were into these things!"
NORMAL GUY: "You do realize, don't you, that statistically millions of people have experienced these media without becoming trans or turning into some sort of sexual deviant, right? You're basically arguing that the exception is the rule."
KIWI: "Whatever, you shouldn't risk it!"
NORMAL GUY: "Okay, well by that logic, all these people ate food, too. I guess eating food makes you troon out too!"
KIWI: [Eyes widen in panic and they go to induce themselves to vomit, and then fast until they die of starvation]

I note in the above you could replace "trooning" with "becoming a degenerate" because a lot of Kiwis are absolutely obsessed with everything being some sort of fetish bait, as well. Methinks some people need a reality check.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

Stop jacking off to Chinese children's cartoons you weirdo.

 

[skykiii]

Stop jacking off to Chinese children's cartoons you weirdo.

Stop talking to yourself.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

NORMAL GUY: "So... is there anything at all that won't make someone troon out?"

Sir, may I introduce you to the groundbreaking idea of NOT consuming some type of media 24/7? Virtually 100% of things that involve leaving your bedroom, especially if they don't primarily involve spending money (so you know, like go on a hike or carve some wood or cook or at least play some instruments or something), are strongly associated with not becoming a transexual or degenerate.

Also videogames will not necessarily lead to trooning out unless they're nostalgia bait or coomerish, although participating in their communities might. Visual media that isn't cartoons is also troon neutral under many circumstances.
Books that aren't fantasy or sci fi are not troony, nobody is going to troon out from reading Catch-22.

Like are you in a wheelchair and can't do regular person things? Why does your life revolve so heavily around consooming media? There's more to life than playing videogames and watching cartoons, brother.

 

[skykiii]

Sir, may I introduce you to the groundbreaking idea of NOT consuming some type of media 24/7?

Here's an idea: instead of questioning what I do or don't do (entirely on a strawman assumption), you instead give any justification at all to the position of "these media will induce trooning?"

(so you know, like go on a hike or carve some wood or cook or at least play some instruments or something), are strongly associated with not becoming a transexual or degenerate.

Ooops, found a trans hiker, guess going outside causes troons now!

Also found a trans person who plays musical instruments, so....

But I'm gonna be honest dude, you're reminding me of every shitty dad I've ever known. The kind who only ever happens to check in on their kid when they happen to be relaxing, and thus snap-assumes that's all the kid has been doing--and never once questioning how the homework got done, dishes got clean, the dog got fed, etc.

One of the shittiest moments I remember from growing up was a time I was with a friend I'll call Bob. We had just done some two-man basketball in the back yard, then came in for a rest and turned on a movie... and this was the moment Bob's dad came in and, naturally, he started going "you kids spend too much time in front of the TV! Go outside and play!" He wouldn't listen when we said we had been playing.

That's you. You sound like Bob's dad. Heck for all I know you are Bob's dad.

Also videogames will not necessarily lead to trooning out unless they're nostalgia bait or coomerish,

NOSTALGIA BAIT will lead to trooning????

Okay, I need to hear the explanation for this one.

Books that aren't fantasy or sci fi are not troony,

Okay.... and I've mentioned several non-fantasy non-scifi books I've read, hell I've made topics about Tom Clancy and Don Quixote and have mentioned Three Kingdoms, Jaws, Agatha Christie and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle... actually I don't read fantasy or sci-fi all that often.... soooooooo, what's the problem here?

BTW, does your estimation of "troony" novels include Tolkien? And I don't mean the movies, video games, or any other derivative media--I mean just the man's actual writing.

Like are you in a wheelchair and can't do regular person things? Why does your life revolve so heavily around consooming media? There's more to life than playing videogames and watching cartoons, brother.

Again, justify your own position before throwing the retarded assumptions and strawmen at me.

 

[Diggus Bickus]

>make a perfectly reasonable off topic thread
>instantly get mod noted and pink triangle'd

You can't make this shit up.

 

[skykiii]

>make a perfectly reasonable off topic thread
>instantly get mod noted and pink triangle'd

You can't make this shit up.

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In all fairness I was having a "psychic" break at the time so I think the mods were justified.

I do find the people who got insecure and had to suddenly come up with copes rather funny tho. A lot of people seemed to not like hearing that Kiwi Farms has become a No-Fun Zone. Just look at how me adding that section about weirdly puritanical media takes caused one guy to accuse me of "jacking off to Chinese cartoons" (a self-own if ever I saw one) and @Ultrapenguin tried to go all Dad Logic... without, as I pointed out, justifying that his beliefs have any basis in reality.

It must be sad to live in a reality where you're so mortally afraid of being a "tranny" that you willingly deny yourself any sort of happiness.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

That's a lot of words. Have you ever considered that you aren't the high-flying intellectual you think you are, and that obsessing over plastic children's toys and the cartoons they make to promote them is actually prime midwit material?

You are a bore, a dullard, a consooomer. You have nothing interesting to say, nothing original to add. Raging that no-one wants to engage you in debate about the micro-switches in GameCube controllers, you fail to appreciate that that is incomprehensibly dull to people who aren't your particular strain of autistic. And you need to leave the house and stop watching hentai.

 

[Diggus Bickus]

*snip snip something about jerking off to cartoons o algo*

These are a lot of words just to say you are a colossal faggot. Too bad I ain't reading any of em. Kill yourself.

In all fairness I was having a "psychic" break at the time so I think the mods were justified.

I do find the people who got insecure and had to suddenly come up with copes rather funny tho. A lot of people seemed to not like hearing that Kiwi Farms has become a No-Fun Zone. Just look at how me adding that section about weirdly puritanical media takes caused one guy to accuse me of "jacking off to Chinese cartoons" (a self-own if ever I saw one) and @Ultrapenguin tried to go all Dad Logic... without, as I pointed out, justifying that his beliefs have any basis in reality.

It must be sad to live in a reality where you're so mortally afraid of being a "tranny" that you willingly deny yourself any sort of happiness.

You're not even wrong. Given that I lack context for the decision, it would be irresponsible of me to say that the jannies have their collective panties in a wad and pink triangle any user who points out the cesspit that the forum sometimes ends up being, so I won't.

However, what I can freely point out is that the forum lately can be summed up with the following:
"Here is a very basic take"
"HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?? I don't like your take, it makes me angry. It must mean that you... JERK OFF TO CARTOONS? PERHAPS CHILDREN? OR MAYBE... CARTOONS OF CHILDREN?! PEDOPHILE?!"

And it sucks. What sucks more is the insane amount of pink joindates or ballwashing tards that come and prove your point by doing this same exact shit without any self awareness. Personally, I would like to be educated on how "It's impossible to discuss shit in this forum because you retards always make any conversation about something nobody brought up" equals to "I AM SELF REPORTING THAT I JERK OFF TO CARTOONS". And until I see someone explaining it and not sounding like a humongous nigger retard, I will continue to believe it is fucking retarded and a plague in the current culture of the forum.

 

[skykiii]

Raging that no-one wants to engage you in debate about the micro-switches in GameCube controllers

.... literally not a topic I've ever engaged in.

Between this and the sexual accusations I'm not sure I like this fanfiction you've written about me.

Personally, I would like to be educated on how "It's impossible to discuss shit in this forum because you retards always make any conversation about something nobody brought up" equals to "I AM SELF REPORTING THAT I JERK OFF TO CARTOONS". And until I see someone explaining it and not sounding like a humongous nigger retard, I will continue to believe it is fucking retarded and a plague in the current culture of the forum.

It is a plague.

Though the real answer is obvious, but also one none of these people will ever admit to. They're just borrowing a trick from the SJW playbook: "Make your opponent out to be the most insane extreme type of person imaginable so that your own extreme stances seem mild by comparison."

Look at @Ultrapenguin 's response for example. You'll notice he didn't even try to engage with the point I made re: "the entire idea that any of these media will make you do something dumb is an example of Spotlight Fallacy." Instead he immediately writes this fanfic where I sit in a dark room with some form of media running 24/7.

(and I'm still waiting for him to explain that utterly bizarre "nostalgia will make you troon out" statement. Anyone who has strong memories of/desire for the past would be resistant to modern ideology, not susceptible to it! But considering he's also called nostalgia a "bizarre mental condition" and said that anyone who has it should be caged and used as lab animals, I can only imagine its a "I hate seeing other people be happy" situation).

................

What saddens me is that Kiwi Farms used to be a place where people knew you don't answer extremism with extremism. The Left were stupid because their views were extreme, but that didn't mean the answer was to go to the opposite edge.

I'm not sure what it is, but for some reason extremists of all stripes always are people who decide "fun is evil." To the SJWs, fun was evil because it would put "harmful" ideas in your head. To certain Kiwis, fun is evil because its a slippery slope to becoming the next Chris-chan. Both extremes require a good deal of Spotlight Fallacy, and are thus equally stupid.

I can only imagine there's some self-loathing issues involved.

 

[Tablet County]

That's a lot of words. Have you ever considered that you aren't the high-flying intellectual you think you are, and that obsessing over plastic children's toys and the cartoons they make to promote them is actually prime midwit material?

You are a bore, a dullard, a consooomer. You have nothing interesting to say, nothing original to add. Raging that no-one wants to engage you in debate about the micro-switches in GameCube controllers, you fail to appreciate that that is incomprehensibly dull to people who aren't your particular strain of autistic. And you need to leave the house and stop watching hentai.

This is really rich coming from someone who is saying nothing interesting or of substance that everyone has already heard before, said in the exact same fashion that everyone has already said it without any novel additions of your own.
Insufferable midwitted faggot.

 

[Tablet County]

The Bad Thing #1: Gut the U.S Constitution, mutilate children for the trans cult, and open the border to rig elections

The Bad Thing #2: Keep things normal so the above doesn't happen

Wow, you sure showed me that these things are exactly the same since you labeled them both "The Bad Thing", great argument! Not at all retarded, not even a little.

You're missing the point. Homie just wants to talk about the good things in peace. He's not opposed to talking about the bad things; if he was he wouldn't be on this website. But life isn't some shitty 80s cartoon that's contractually obligated to end with a PSA every episode. There's nothing wrong with wanting a "third place" to talk about banal shit that doesn't matter.
You don't expect me to believe that you've never talked about a hobby without grimly and bitterly lamenting the state of society?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I suppose this will have to suffice, altho the kvitching that "At least its for the right reasons" bothers me. I'm highly doubtful that evil means can ever come to good ends.

It can if you misattribute good means as evil means.

Also, you specifically have had some extreme stances in the past. I recall specifically you claimed Dororo was "appealing to lolis" in a context where that made absolutely no sense, and then said Tezuka should have had the character wearing a historically-unrealistic outfit (isn't rewriting history to fit modern values something we hate when the left does it?)

I remember the Dororo thing, she seemed somewhat sexualized, it wasn't the most overt case of it by any means, but it's definitely one of those "anime things".

I don't like rewriting history, and that's not what that was. It was a traditional Christian western cultural sensibilities vs Japanese culture thing. I'm not even complaining about what they're doing, I just think what we import should be modified in localization to be less inappropriate like we used to do in the 90's with all sorts of videos games and anime.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you also see Pauline in Donkey Kong Bananza being barefoot and immediately assume "foot fetish," or was that someone else?

No, that was not me, but I remember the incident you're talking about, it was somebody else. That guy was obviously just horny for her, most people simply saw a normal character, myself included. If Nintendo focused on her feet with close-ups or inordinately talked about them or something that'd be different, but he literally just saw a little girl character's feet and thought "sexy!"

You're missing the point. Homie just wants to talk about the good things in peace. He's not opposed to talking about the bad things; if he was he wouldn't be on this website. But life isn't some shitty 80s cartoon that's contractually obligated to end with a PSA every episode. There's nothing wrong with wanting a "third place" to talk about banal sit that doesn't matter.
You don't expect me to believe that you've never talked about a hobby without grimly and bitterly lamenting the state of society?

This is a place where you can both talk about a hobby and grimly & bitterly lament the state of society, that's why it's good. Sometimes I do one or the other, sometimes both simultaneously. There's more than enough space for that and it's easy to find the kind of discussion you want. For example, there's lots video game threads virtually untouched by political discourse, good luck finding any of it in the Metal Gear or Blue Archive threads, it's essentially just autists talking lore.

Yeah, if you go into the Sony thread there's gonna be a lot of bitching about woke shit, because, surprise, Sony is a woke faggot company. If someone goes in there expecting everyone to walk on eggshells just because they don't wanna hear about it then that's their fucking problem now, isn't it?

 

[urr13 account]

>I remember when /b/ was good.
While occasionally you might have a nice conversation or something, generally speaking the internet has literally always been like this. From Gaystation lost and the N64 is here and kicking ever other console in the ass to now. If you want to actually discuss something in depth maybe try logging off the internet and going and talking to people IRL.

The internet is mostly bots anyway so any "good conversation" you are having here is probably with a chatbot programmed to mirror what you're saying back to you only slights rephrased. You have to talk to people in real life and develop interpersonal relationships to have an actual conversation everything else is fake.

 

[Tablet County]

Yeah, if you go into the Sony thread there's gonna be a lot of bitching about woke shit, because, surprise, Sony is a woke faggot company. If someone goes in there expecting everyone to walk on eggshells just because they don't wanna hear about it then that's their fucking problem now, isn't it?

Yeah sure, sucks to suck, but it's not like I can't empathize. I wouldn't want to go into a thread about theology only for everyone to constantly turn the discussion toward Football Hooliganism and how Man United ruined muh footie. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to talk about one thing without having to constantly bring up the elephant in the room like it hasn't already been pointed out by literally everyone else.

The internet is mostly bots anyway

That would certainly explain why half of KF's userbase SOUNDS EXACTLY THE SAME.