Jacob Stuart Harrison Storytelling Thread - FSTDT Forums Ex-Pet Lolcow

[MW 590]

Hi I am Jacob Harrison. I am a 19 year old sophomore in college. I came here because I was banned from Fundies Say The Darnedest Things, Fstdt Forums, and their subreddit.

I have a strong attachment to England. The reasons are because I have English Ancestry, America is culturally an Anglo Saxon nation, and because my dad has a British Sports car(a TR6).

Because of that, I want to restore the rightful heir to the throne of England. Elizabeth is not the rightful Queen. Here is why.

In 1483, Edward IV died. His 12 year old son Edward V became the King but since he was too young to rule, Edward IV’s brother Richard Duke of Gloucester became Lord Protector of the Realm. Then Richard was informed by Bishop Robert Stillington that Edward IV had a previous marriage with Eleanor Butler before marrying Elizabeth Woodville and Eleanor was still alive when he married Elizabeth making his marriage with her an invalid bigamous marriage. That meant that all of their children including Edward V were illegitimate.

Because of that, Richard seized the throne as Richard III. Unfortunetely, he was killed in the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485 and the usurper Henry VII seized the throne. He was the heir to the Lancastrian claim to the throne and to secure his claim, he married Elizabeth of York, the eldest daughter of Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville to merge the Houses of Lancaster and York.

However Elizabeth of York was illegitimate due to her parents invalid marriage which means that the royal line ever since 1485 has been an illegitimate line. Richard III was England’s last true King.

The rightful heirs to the English throne are therefore, the descendants of Edward IV’s and Richard III’s eldest sister Anne of York. The current heir is Filmer Courtenay William Honywood.

He is also the heir to the Lordship of Ireland and the Kingdom of France(due to English claims to the French throne dating back to the 1300s).

So my plan is to join an existing society called the Richard III Society and hopefully they will find smoking gun evidence of Edward IV’s previous marriage which will cause public outrage because the English will realize that they have been paying taxes to support a royal family that has no right to the throne.

Therefore many people will join my cause including many in the Richard III Society and we will train future child heirs of the House of Honywood on how to rule and my society will also secretly infiltrate the governments of the UK, Ireland, and France and pass laws making the true heir the King of a united Europan Kingdom. Scotland will become a vassal kingdom with the heir to the House of Balliol put on Scotland’s throne. The monarch will be trained to rule not just reign and bring great prosperity to the Kingdom.

Since I am Roman Catholic, under the true monarchy, the Church of England will rejoin the Catholic Church.

Since Constantinople and the Holy Land of Israel are rightful Christian land, my society also needs to infiltrate the governments of Turkey and Israel. The Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem will be reestablished as a vassal Kingdom and the Muslims and Jews will live under the rule of the Europan Kingdom.

So does anyone here want to join my cause?

 

[The Flawless Gazelles]

i waz kang

 

[Kiwi Jeff]

Since I am Roman Catholic, under the true monarchy, the Church of England will rejoin the Catholic Church.

Cool idea, but isn't that something that the true monarchy should decide?

 

[MW 590]

Cool idea, but isn't that something that the true monarchy should decide?

The future child heirs to the true monarchy will be raised to be Catholic so they will agree to having the Church of England rejoin the Catholic Church

 

[whatever I feel like]

Great post, where did you find it?

 

[MW 590]

Cool idea, but isn't that something that the true monarchy should decide?

The future child heirs to the true monarchy will be raised to be Catholic so they will agree to having the

Great post, where did you find it?

I’m confused on what you are asking. Are you asking where I found the true heirs to the throne?

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest" - Diderot

In any case, following the alternative lines of succession and the illegitimacy of Edward IV for whom the case is very strong; the "real" heir to the throne of the United Kingdom would surely be Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun?

 

[Coldgrip]

The english are filthy pigs that should be purged from the earth with fire.

 

[GS 281]

So my plan is to join an existing society called the Richard III Society and hopefully they will find smoking gun evidence of Edward IV’s previous marriage which will cause public outrage because the English will realize that they have been paying taxes to support a royal family that has no right to the throne.

Even if you did, it has been centuries. They won't relinquish the crown and I would think that it would be impossible to remove them from all the resources they own because of the Crown.

 

[MW 590]

"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest" - Diderot

In any case, following the alternative lines of succession and the illegitimacy of Edward IV for whom the case is very strong; the "real" heir to the throne of the United Kingdom would surely be Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun?

The case for Edward IV's illegitimacy was not that strong. It was a rumor spread by his enemies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_IV_of_England#Legitimacy

Simon Abney-Hastings is not the real heir because he is descended from George Duke of Clarence who had a bill of attainder on him when he was executed by Edward IV which barred his children from any succession to the throne.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

The case for Edward IV's illegitimacy was not that strong. It was a rumor spread by his enemies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_IV_of_England#Legitimacy

Simon Abney-Hastings is not the real heir because he is descended from George Duke of Clarence who had a bill of attainder on him when he was executed by Edward IV which barred his children from any succession to the throne.

So we're not relying purely on bloodlines, but are willing to take acts such as the attainder and Titus Regilus into this?

Then surely the House of Windsor rules (legitimatley) by right of conquest? Despite the claim by succession, conquest still superceeds it.

There are five ways in which a person may lay claim to a crown.The below ordering is based on strength of case and possession.

1. Right of Conquest: If one overthrows the monarch, taking the crown and kingdom by force, and holds them, then one is monarch. Usurpation and deposing of the monarch fall into this category.
2. Presumption: In the absence of a monarch, if one lays claim the crown and kingdom without resistance and can hold them, then one is monarch.
3. Right of Royal Succession: When the monarch dies, should the law prescribe the succession of the crown and kingdom, and one is numbered first in that succession, then one is monarch, so long as no other person usurps the crown.
4. Right of Nomination: Should the monarch die leaving one as the designated heir, in the absence of law prescribing succession of the crown and kingdom, then one is monarch, so long as no other person usurps the crown and one can quell all other claimants.
5. Right of Kinship: Should the monarch die leaving no designated heir, and in the absence of law prescribing succession of the crown and kingdom, and one is the closest relative by kinship to the deceased monarch, then one is monarch, so long as no other person usurps the crown and one can quell all other claimants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_a_crown

 

[not william stenchever]

We will only crusade again when powered armor and total orbital supremacy are perfected.

We want to maximize the casualties of infidels while keeping the faithful alive. This simply isn't possible without a technological divide between the sides.

 

[MW 590]

So we're not relying purely on bloodlines, but are willing to take acts such as the attainder and Titus Regilus into this?

Then surely the House of Windsor rules (legitimatley) by right of conquest? Despite the claim by succession, conquest still superceeds it.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_a_crown

The difference is that the attainder and Titus Regilus are legal documents while conquest is illegally usurping the throne.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I think you'll find that Edward Aetheling was unfairly robbed of the crown by Harold of Normandy and then by William the Bastard. Justice will be served.

 

[UW 411]

Have you got any weird hereditary diseases like porphyria or haemophilia?

 

[MW 590]

Even if you did, it has been centuries. They won't relinquish the crown and I would think that it would be impossible to remove them from all the resources they own because of the Crown.

But if my society infiltrates parliament and passes an act changing the monarchy, they will have no choice in the matter.

 

[HG 400]

England is a worthless hellscape of snaggletoothed subhuman island cucks and I long for the day it is removed entirely. Literally every single English person should be put into extermination camps and gassed and the lands they once lived on should be deliberately contaminated with poison or radiation so that nothing can ever inhabit them again. Fuck England.

 

[not william stenchever]

the Danelaw should have remained Danish, if only so that we could see what a Danish colonized East Coast would look like compared to the WASPs

 

[MW 590]

I think you'll find that Edward Aetheling was unfairly robbed of the crown by Harold of Normandy and then by William the Bastard. Justice will be served.

I don't think that Edward the Confessor was intending for Edgar Aetheling to be his successor. William the Conqueror had a right to the throne because Edward the Confessor previously promised him the throne and Harold Godwinson swore a sacred oath on holy relics that he would support William's succession to the throne.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

The difference is that the attainder and Titus Regilus are legal documents while conquest is illegally usurping the throne.

On the contrary, conquest is the foremost and supreme claim to the throne that superceeds all others. If kings are appointed by God, and rise or fall by his hand then one can only take and hold the throne by the grace of God no?

At least, this is how legitimacy for the throne is or was previously drawn in European states, and remains so in England. It would rather shake things up were it not because like you allude to yourself; Edgar despite William and Harold's claims would be the true successor.

And William/Harold/Harald are not even the earliest example of authority drawn from upsurping a previous royal house.

You can't really claim Catholic sanction to deny it either, since the Papacy recognises this type of authority above bloodlines as well (see the Papal coronation of Napoleon and the wider House of Bonaparte).