James Cameron's Avatar to get four sequels - The message will still be the same

The Penultimate Warrior said:
Seems like all the positive audience reviews I've seen only focus on how it looks. So it's going to be one of those films whose reputation tanks after the honeymoon period wears off and people try to watch it on a small screen. Although for the sake of balance I have also seen people say it promotes the family and a strong father figure, so credit for that at least if it is accurate.
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The stuff about family is overhyped since it's basic tropes about family, and the strong father figure is Sully whose just Cameron's self insert to project his own savior fantasies onto.

There's literally nothing in the film that's really new or innovative if we don't discuss the effects which even then are not that amazing.
 
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WhiskeyJack said:
So here's a few questions that've been bothering me:

If the RDA can just back up and resurrect Quaritch (or whatever Lang's character was named) literally from the dead as a Na'vi avatar, why the hell is Sully even in these films? Surely they'd have backed up his dead brother and everyone else who was actually a part of the Avatar program, if they could and did back up some random colonel's dead brain. That has to be cheaper than literally flying a cripple and his wheelchair four-light-years through space, and a hell of a lot faster too. Hell, why even bother sending the actual humans if you can just upload them permanently into new bodies; copy their minds, send them digitally through space on a communication laser to be input into their bodies on Pandora and skip the costs and time of shipping their physical body at all.

And on the subject of time; since it takes at least four solid years to even get to Pandora at nearly light-speed, that means Sully's brother died, Earth finds out about it four years later when the comms arrive, and Sully gets sent on the ship to arrive at Pandora another four years later. So what did they do with his brother's avatar body for the decade it was dormant? Was it just floating in a tank the whole time? Were humans really on Pandora in avatars talking with the Na'vi for most of a decade? The timing of the first film has bothered me since the first time I saw it. It all feels like they just arrived, just started communicating with the director's barely concealed cat-girl fetish people, and nothing feels like they've been doing this for years with no progress. Half the Na'vi kids they were teaching should've already grown into adults helping to integrate the humans with their tribespeople by that point.

Maybe all this is explained in the films, I don't really remember them well enough and don't care enough to waste my life actually re-watching the first or ever seeing the second. But I don't think the film ever went into the world-building enough to explain anything like how the Avatar program actually worked.
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Avatar is Cameron's prequel trilogy, only he has less to say and more money to say it with. People complain about midichlorians and the implications for the setting, but RDA being able to literally raise the fucking dead breaks the setting in half.

The original movie implied the existence of a soul in the form of everyone having a discrete consciousness that could only be in one place at a time, which is why the avatar pilots had to pass it back and forth via Matrix jizz bath. If they could just save your thought patterns to disc and upload it without reference to the original, not only do you not need the avatar program, you don't even need more than one pilot, since you can instantiate as many copies of your ambassador as you need. The second movie breaks the premise of the first entirely, and this is a script they had ten years to perfect.

Cameron has lost it as hard as Biden.
 
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Crescent Fresh said:
not even China’s meeting expectations for it.
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To be fair, this came out just as China was “outta lockdown but full of Covid” so sure that doesn’t help.

But I think that every time western studio expect China perform well it doesn’t almost like China wants to spite them, but movies that originally didn’t even get marketed to China do gangbusters just confuse the waiguoren.

I also don’t know what Chinese people think about avatar. I’m pretty sure that that their mentality would just be:
“If-a da blooo monkey not a leave, why do they not killlarooo alll of dem? They impact productivity and are ugly, killaroo dem all”
 
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Jonah Hill poster said:
Cameron must think this is the 90’s and he was a first time Oscar winner making a melodramatic ship movie for teenage girls again. Isn’t he nearing his mid-60’s?
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He's approaching 70. He's 68.

And I saw a headline that he said Terminator is returning. That fucking ship has sailed, along with all the staple 80s franchises that were drilled into the fucking ground by retarded jewish producers.

Terminator hit a creative dead end three decades ago. It doesn't need more sequels. I would've liked a prequel in the 90s that shows the future war and it ends with the three Terminators and Kyle all going back in time at the end. This was essentially an extended intro to T2 we didn't get because the budget wasn't enough for it, so it was scrapped and vastly shortened. You can read about it in the original script.

Dead is betta.
 
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Wesker said:
He's approaching 70. He's 68.
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Cameron is almost 70 years old?

Now see this would have sounded cool if this were back in the 90’s: an old person flipping off young fans that booed your movie and you were passionate about it even with arrogance.

Now, today, you’d be lucky as an old person that you don’t get assaulted in broad daylight by a person trying to shank you for your belongings.
 
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Cameron is almost 70 years old?

Now see this would have sounded cool if this were back in the 90’s: an old person flipping off young fans that booed your movie and you were passionate about it even with arrogance.

Now, today, you’d be lucky as an old person that you don’t get assaulted in broad daylight by a person trying to shank you for your belongings.
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He's spent the last three decades since Titanic huffing his own farts and getting a god complex. He's not the only movie epic filmmaker anymore. Disney is a trillion dollar company shitting out that disposable entertainment. Cameron is old news.

You can't sit on the sidelines for that fucking long and put out a space smurf movie and get asses in the seats. The only reason Avatar 1 made it's money is from the gay 3D shit that normies ate up. It had a gimmick to hook people in. It's around that early Obama era that clown world started and worthless entertainment made easy billions. Now? The market is oversaturated with that and he hasn't made a movie that intelligent people are nostalgic for since 1991. Titanic is a fine movie in it's own right, but it's pretty much universal that T2 is his best film. No one cares about Avatar 1. I never saw it since it just reeked of normie garbage.

Look at his filmography.

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Of a 40 year career, he has maybe four films that you should watch. He's a talented director, but he's squandered all that time with his self fellating and diving under the sea.
 
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Wesker said:
Of course he stuck her in this.

MEMBA TITANIC, GOY!?

Sorry if this was already posted, but he flipped off fans after he got booed for refusing to sign autographs. It's a great look showing disdain for fans when your propaganda film is taking a shit.

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I mean I'm pretty sure those were scalpers who wanted to resell those autographs since the way those fans acted feel off and it wasn't a signing event. Only because James Cameron fans suck his dick no matter what he does especially if they love his Avatar movies which are just the cinematic equivalent of jiggling keys in front of a baby for 3 hours.

I however would believe they were actual fans if this was James Cameron when he made good movies.
 
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The company I work for bought tickets to see Avatar 2 on Saturday and they needed a headcount on who was going and literally everyone in my department were like, "Meh, no thanks." Even when tickets are provided for you and any guests/family you want to bring along people just aren't interested in this movie lol.

I can remember when a company buys you tickets for a movie it was super hype but I'm beginning to think those days are gone.
 
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Wesker said:
He's spent the last three decades since Titanic huffing his own farts and getting a god complex. He's not the only movie epic filmmaker anymore. Disney is a trillion dollar company shitting out that disposable entertainment. Cameron is old news.

You can't sit on the sidelines for that fucking long and put out a space smurf movie and get asses in the seats. The only reason Avatar 1 made it's money is from the gay 3D shit that normies ate up. It had a gimmick to hook people in. It's around that early Obama era that clown world started and worthless entertainment made easy billions. Now? The market is oversaturated with that and he hasn't made a movie that intelligent people are nostalgic for since 1991. Titanic is a fine movie in it's own right, but it's pretty much universal that T2 is his best film. No one cares about Avatar 1. I never saw it since it just reeked of normie garbage.

Look at his filmography.

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Of a 40 year career, he has maybe four films that you should watch. He's a talented director, but he's squandered all that time with his self fellating and diving under the sea.
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Allow me to play Devil's Advocate: how do you keep topping yourself like that? He made Terminator 2. It's still one of the greatest action films ever made and one of the greatest sequels ever made. Discounting Piranha 2, he made Terminator which is still a great action sci-fi film with shades of horror and I prefer it over the sequel. He made Aliens which is again one of the greatest sequels ever made and one of the best action horror films ever made. The Abyss exists. And True Lies is a great action/comedy and little did we know that it would be the last objectively good Arnie action film.

Titanic was the outlier and he expected it to bomb and lose at least 100 million. You have to keep topping yourself and I'm sure the Hollywood ego played a part in that but even someone like Sergio Leone experienced something similar where he didn't make anything for years because he felt like he had to keep going bigger.
 
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BrunoMattei said:
Allow me to play Devil's Advocate: how do you keep topping yourself like that? He made Terminator 2. It's still one of the greatest action films ever made and one of the greatest sequels ever made. Discounting Piranha 2, he made Terminator which is still a great action sci-fi film with shades of horror and I prefer it over the sequel. He made Aliens which is again one of the greatest sequels ever made and one of the best action horror films ever made. The Abyss exists. And True Lies is a great action/comedy and little did we know that it would be the last objectively good Arnie action film.

Titanic was the outlier and he expected it to bomb and lose at least 100 million. You have to keep topping yourself and I'm sure the Hollywood ego played a part in that but even someone like Sergio Leone experienced something similar where he didn't make anything for years because he felt like he had to keep going bigger.
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I don't think he needs to beat his own records with every outing. His problem is he's had no films other than producer credits between Titanic and Avatar.

Films from established and respected directors all can be hit or miss and not every one of them is always going to be a hit. But he doesn't even have that. I think he's painted himself into a corner from Titanic to always put films out that make mega money. Like I mentioned. Avatar was a gimmick. But no one cares with the sequel. And it sounds like between this one and sequel it'll lose easily a billion from development and marketing.

He's shown himself to be a money printer, and he could've gotten any budget he wanted then. But he ups and semi retires for 15 years. I just don't get it.

I don't think directors really lose their "prime" if you can call it that, but it seems to happen to some of them. Him and Ridley Scott immediately come to mind.
 
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BrunoMattei said:
Allow me to play Devil's Advocate: how do you keep topping yourself like that? He made Terminator 2. It's still one of the greatest action films ever made and one of the greatest sequels ever made. Discounting Piranha 2, he made Terminator which is still a great action sci-fi film with shades of horror and I prefer it over the sequel. He made Aliens which is again one of the greatest sequels ever made and one of the best action horror films ever made. The Abyss exists. And True Lies is a great action/comedy and little did we know that it would be the last objectively good Arnie action film.

Titanic was the outlier and he expected it to bomb and lose at least 100 million. You have to keep topping yourself and I'm sure the Hollywood ego played a part in that but even someone like Sergio Leone experienced something similar where he didn't make anything for years because he felt like he had to keep going bigger.
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Counter point, his action scenes are mainly driven by the actors playing them rather than anything specific, with the script being good but not something that would have worked with modern actors.
 
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BrunoMattei said:
Allow me to play Devil's Advocate: how do you keep topping yourself like that? He made Terminator 2. It's still one of the greatest action films ever made and one of the greatest sequels ever made. Discounting Piranha 2, he made Terminator which is still a great action sci-fi film with shades of horror and I prefer it over the sequel. He made Aliens which is again one of the greatest sequels ever made and one of the best action horror films ever made. The Abyss exists. And True Lies is a great action/comedy and little did we know that it would be the last objectively good Arnie action film.

Titanic was the outlier and he expected it to bomb and lose at least 100 million. You have to keep topping yourself and I'm sure the Hollywood ego played a part in that but even someone like Sergio Leone experienced something similar where he didn't make anything for years because he felt like he had to keep going bigger.
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Well, when you lay it all out like that, it makes me think a Piranha/Titanic/Terminator crossover has potential. Imagine a T-800 going back in time to save Titanic passengers from killer superfish. Terminators can't swim so there's a real threat there.
 
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