James Damore et al v. Google LLC (2017)

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CrunkLord420 said:
I imagine they'd defer to the DSM-5 which just considers it all "Autism Spectrum Disorder". The label has no real distinction between high/low/aspergers anymore, I don't see why the courts would interpret modern medical literature differently from the APA.
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Yeah, but is autism legally protected as far as employment is concerned?
 
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I read a good chunk of it. Damore comes off as a well-meaning autist that stepped in a giant pile of SJW shit and paid the price. Gudeman went looking for trouble, starting political arguments all over Google basically unprovoked, and eventually got canned. Both may have a case, Damore's looks a lot better to me.

Either way, the lawsuit opens the lid on the hive of degenerates that infest Google. Dhillon must have been so goddamn happy to get their hands on this treasure trove of info. If Google doesn't pay a bunch of money and make it go away, this has the potential to be McLibel levels of embarrassing.

For those unfamiliar with McLibel, a couple of hippies were sued by McDonald's to shut them up. The hippies were passing out anti-McD's leaflets that literally no one gave a fuck about. The suit gave the hippies an international stage to rip on McDonald's, the ability to unearth more dirt on McD's during discovery, and cross-x their high level execs under oath. In the end, the court found some leaflet claims true and some libelous (essentially validating a good chunk of the activist's message), and the hippies had no assets anyway. McD's "won" the case in the most Pyrrhic legal victory in history.

Here's hoping Google is far gone enough to give us this generation's McLibel case.
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I do think there's a solid chance this goes McLibel. If a company has someone who sexually identifies as a residential building give a speech to new hires chances are they're beyond petty concepts like shame and are arrogant enough to think the rest of the country is the same.
 
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Doug_Hitzel said:
Yeah, but is autism legally protected as far as employment is concerned?
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Pretty sure it's protected but I don't know how the courts/law deal with cause/motive. It'd be certainly against the rules to suddenly fire someone for the explicit reason of being autistic, and no other reason. Just because you have medically protected status it doesn't give you immunity.
 
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CrunkLord420 said:
Pretty sure it's protected but I don't know how the courts/law deal with cause/motive. It'd be certainly against the rules to suddenly fire someone for the explicit reason of being autistic, and no other reason. Just because you have medically protected status it doesn't give you immunity.
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An employer is required to provide reasonable accommodation for disabled employees under the federal Americans with Disabilities Act. That's a pretty vague phrase but generally means they have to be able to do the work. Like if you had a back problem and some kind of orthopedic chair would fix the issue enough to keep working. I wouldn't be surprised if California had some law that made it necessary to provide batshit completely unreasonable accommodations.
 
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Oh, what a surprise.
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I'm really looking forward to see how this works out as a narrative. If you pay attention to tech circles this whole overt racism/sexism towards white men is super common, often praised and does not cause any HR issues. It's gotten to the point where actively trying to discriminate against white men in tech is the norm, and viewed as perfectly appropriate for workplace settings.

I've come to accept this all as normal, yet here I see court documents with absolute typical, run-of-the-mill SJW tech industry tweets being treated like actual legal violations. I wonder how well the justification that you can't be racist/sexist against white men will hold up in court, because at this point I'm losing grasp of what's acceptable.
 
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Dynastia said:
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Regardless of this case or its outcomes I wonder if Google will continue down this path. Hiring "diverse" but ultimately useless employee who either do very little to help or actively harm the company. How long can they go on like this?
Will they eventually just stagnate and end up as a outdated search engine down the line that very few use or, perhaps they'll slowly sell off pieces of themselves until all thats left is a mobile app dev.
 
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Fagnacious D said:
How long can they go on like this?
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For a long while. Same reason why Amazon is basically an abusive spouse to brick and mortar businesses as well as USPS. They're free to undercut everyone at a financial loss to themselves as long as AWS makes 10,000% profit. Google can afford to run YouTube at a loss year after year and bully content creators and do weird CIA-style psyops on people because at the core is an advertiser platform that accounts for more than half the entire world's advertising cash flow. They're free to do as much stupid shit as they want as long as the skeleton of their company is adamantium.
 
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CrunkLord420 said:
I'm really looking forward to see how this works out as a narrative. If you pay attention to tech circles this whole overt racism/sexism towards white men is super common, often praised and does not cause any HR issues. It's gotten to the point where actively trying to discriminate against white men in tech is the norm, and viewed as perfectly appropriate for workplace settings.

I've come to accept this all as normal, yet here I see court documents with absolute typical, run-of-the-mill SJW tech industry tweets being treated like actual legal violations. I wonder how well the justification that you can't be racist/sexist against white men will hold up in court, because at this point I'm losing grasp of what's acceptable.
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Hiring discrimination against any protected groups, and that includes white men, is highly illegal in the US and taken very seriously.

But once you're hired, discriminatory policies are fuzzier. Like women will frequently win cases based on "hostile work environments", whereas men might have an uphill battle.

But the behavior quoted in this lawsuit is bonkers enough that I think Google will settle.
 
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Marvin said:
But once you're hired, discriminatory policies are fuzzier. Like women will frequently win cases based on "hostile work environments", whereas men might have an uphill battle.
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You don't see many stories on them, but something like 20 percent of sexual harassment claims at the EEOC are filed by males (based on this 2013 story and speculating the trend continued).
 
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Fagnacious D said:
Regardless of this case or its outcomes I wonder if Google will continue down this path. Hiring "diverse" but ultimately useless employee who either do very little to help or actively harm the company. How long can they go on like this?
Will they eventually just stagnate and end up as a outdated search engine down the line that very few use or, perhaps they'll slowly sell off pieces of themselves until all thats left is a mobile app dev.
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Frankly, I doubt this will change much on Google's end.

It could, however, make them the a laughingstock to the general populace and solidify the fact that California people, especially Silicon Valley, are a bunch of snowflakey moonbats. Especially if that byline about someone identifying as a building gains traction in the alternative press.
 
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