Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[Honest Coyote]

True. I meant that she has more tomboyish interests based on what I've seen on the show. She seems to express an interest in geology, doesn't appear to be big on makeup or entertaining her mother's "spa days", and overall isn't about the glitzy uber-girlie life that many daughters from wealthy families are all about.

Granted, it's hard to get a solid read on what Ari is interested in. She's barely ever on the show and when she is, she either seems out of it or is offering useful, gently-uttered advice that Jazz shoots down.

Ari probably would be a more traditionally feminine girl, but Jeanette probably beat it out of her. Just like there's a chosen favorite child, there's the unfavorite child. She probably had to deal with always being second to Jazz (by narc-mom's scoring) whenever she did something girly. Ari tries on make-up, Jazz does it better. Ari plays with costume jewelry, Jazz is so much fancier. In a way, she also had her childhood stolen from her. Girlhood was another topic that was engulfed by troonism.

Have either of the brothers came out as gay? I wouldn't be suprised if they have confused sexual interests or feel pressured if their entire lives are accessories to neovaginas and queer activism. They could also call themselves "bi" I guess (in the sense that "I guess I could kiss Ryan Reynolds during a planetary alignment and if no one ever knows").

 

[Red Mask]

Here’s more information on Ari:

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2015/08/ari-jennings-i-am-jazz-jazz-jennings-sister-tlc-tv-photos-florida-college-instagram-twitter-tv/

If she really is the scapegoat, then I feel for her. She seems pretty femme.

 

[ATaleOfSofa]

Have either of the brothers came out as gay? I wouldn't be suprised if they have confused sexual interests or feel pressured if their entire lives are accessories to neovaginas and queer activism. They could also call themselves "bi" I guess (in the sense that "I guess I could kiss Ryan Reynolds during a planetary alignment and if no one ever knows").

Don’t really care about the brothers, but Ari looks like she truly loathes Jazz and their mother for what they turned their family into.

 

[corryvreckan]

IIRC, the hormones gave him pickle tits that were incompatible with implants. But he was a lot lighter back then, so we're looking at some sort of fucked-up hybrid pickle moobs probably supplemented by a padded bra. Shit's fucked yo.

Maybe he is wearing those silicon fake tit things drag queens use? Some are hollow inside so would fit over his chest. Or there are those ’chicken fillet’ things that might, in combination with a padded/push up bra, give his tubular breasts the odd look that’s going on. Women with tubular breasts do get implants, so I’m sure he could too, but they definitely would have been sharing that ‘important step‘ of the journey if so, so I doubt it.

 

[Random_Numbers140097]

This seems like a sad, messed-up experiment on a child who would have probably grown up to be a gay man.

First, the screwing with hormones. Androgens and estrogens do more than control the development and function of the reproductive system. Most tissues have androgen and estrogen receptors, and those hormones regulate many developmental processes. What will blocking these systems do to a developing person? Who knows! The side effects of the most commonly-used puberty blocker (Lupron) include depression and serious mood swings. Using a depression and bipolar-inducing drug on a developing brain seems EXTREMELY risky and it appears that Jazz has serious mood swings and depression. I suspect that a lot of these known side-effects have been swept under the rug because admitting they exist could get one labelled "transphobic."

Second, the surgery. Trying to create a body part (vagina) by hacking up and sewing together other body parts (penis, intestine tissue) seems like something Dr Frankenstein might try. Jazz was misled horribly if she was lead to believe that this surgery could create a vagina. A vagina is its own organ. It's not a hacked-up penis combined with intestinal tissue and whatever else they add on in there.

Third - making a troubled child's life a reality show. What reason is there to do that beyond money? No kid deserves to have their life made a spectacle so their parents can make money and show off how "progressive" they are. The parents are flat-out just exploiting their own child.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

was under the impression that getting reassignment surgery involved a lot of testing, counseling and CERTAINTY.

Not since like 2010 or even longer.

I have seen a video of her and she passes quite well. Whatever.

HE is massive and has the face of a 13 year old boy

 

[Binghamtron-5000]

I could've sworn that I saw the second article around here, somewhere...But at any rate, the UK is run by idiots, nowadays.

It isn’t just the UK. These are the US states that ban “conversion therapy.”



Note that while “conversion therapy” conjures images of fundies trying to pray away the gay or weirdo shrinks showing you straight porn or whatever, the term now encompasses “any therapist who isn’t affirming of the LGBTQIA++++.”
Less than half of the states might not seem like much but it’s the coasts. The big cities and highest concentration of cultures churning out troons.

Even if you are in a place where it’s legal and you want to help “dysphoric” teens & kids being trooned by munchie parents, who is going to train you to do it? And if you can rig together adequate therapeutic programs, what happens to your professional life when you get found out?

What if one of these already disturbed as hell people tries to detransition, ends up killing themselves because they’re clearly mentally ill anyway, and then it comes out that the kid was seeing the “controversial conversion therapist?” You’d have to be brave, crazy, or stupid to touch this issue right now. It’s a terrible situation.

I hope there are more and more therapists out there quietly planting the idea that maybe the patient should slow down and quit being so obsessed. The best therapists will quietly guide you to what you already know to be true and a person who is already in the office asking for help might be ready.

PS Ari isn’t a tomboy or non-feminine or whatever. You guys are simply getting overloaded with the way Jazz and his mom prance around looking the the teen section at Target vomited on them, so she looks plain in comparison. She’s just normal.

 

[Xenu Warrior Princess]

Question: How come a 13 year old or 16 year old can’t give consent to sex?

“Because they’re too immature for important, possibly life changing decisions” would be the usual response, which makes absolutely no sense, since they CAN give consent to changing their gender in some places.

As for transgender teens, there is a correlation between autism and trooning out. More research needs to be done in exactly what the connection is.

Sadly that’s unlikely to happen because in the current political climate in academia, anything but the most affirmative and ass-patting of studies are a professional death sentence.

NoCookies | The Australian

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I wouldn’t be surprised if a big majority of “transgender teens” are kids on the spectrum who have been misdiagnosed as transgender or as suffering from bodily dysphoria.

Or who have managed to talk themselves (with ample support from “affirmative” professionals) into thinking that they’re trannies: “I’m a girl who likes mechanical stuff. That’s a boy thing. Ergo I must be a boy in a girls body!”

It’s a fucking travesty and tragedy.



They definitely look like implants. None of the women in the family have particularly big knockers, and hormones aren’t usually THAT effective.

Considering all the other things they’ve done to Jazz, I suppose giving a teenager a boob job is pretty trivial.

That's what I think for many "discovering" they are trans.
They don't "feel" like they think people of their sex are supposed to feel, so they must be the other sex (or non-binary).
They literally fixate on this, and some how assume every dude is totally into cars, guns, sports etc... (and every girl is into sparkles, pink, dolls, ponies, makeup, loves guys looking at their boobs, etc), and don't realize such a distinct differentiation in gender roles/likes is not real, and most people fail at being the perfect version of their sex.

A therapist that specializes in this and with the co-morbidities that accompany transgenderism could help any to avoid being a lifetime medical patient, expensive surgeries of dubious results, infertility, and cementing the idea that there is something wrong about them that needs to be fixed.

Spoiler: TL;DR part you can skip, aspie ex-friend who transed

I personally know (though haven't seen in years) a young man with Aspergers who was a literal neckbeard, socially awkward but nice enough guy, who still lived at home. Always hung around us gals, never other guys. We were kind of creeped out by his neediness.
Then he said he was gay, so that made sense. Then he suddenly started losing weight. Looked better. Then said he was trans. So that was why he lost the weight.
We were all supportive (though I personally always assume this is a BIG mistake, I am in no position to give my opinion.)
But this former junior shitlord who was on 4chan and reddit all the time, suddenly called all channers "nazis", said reddit was toxic, hated all men and everything about them (projection?), and everything now was sexist, racist, problematic, etc.
No matter how much surgery he has, he will never ever pass. His jaw, chin , nose and hairline alone would cost a fortune.
And I think a way he made to avoid this was to intentionally look abnormal. The danger hair, black lipstick (think lips like Clymer's, but in black) shaving eyebrows or sides of head. Beat people calling him a weirdo to the punch.
Oh, and he is now a big ol' commie that moved to the promised land of Portland. And is always out of money.

Genuine dysphoria exists, as well as AGPs who have a fetish that requires them to be dressed as women and be treated as such.

But this sudden surge to trans kids is something totally different.

I still blame tumblr.

Question: How come a 13 year old or 16 year old can’t give consent to sex?

“Because they’re too immature for important, possibly life changing decisions” would be the usual response, which makes absolutely no sense, since they CAN give consent to changing their gender in some places.

As for transgender teens, there is a correlation between autism and trooning out. More research needs to be done in exactly what the connection is.

Sadly that’s unlikely to happen because in the current political climate in academia, anything but the most affirmative and ass-patting of studies are a professional death sentence.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

I wouldn’t be surprised if a big majority of “transgender teens” are kids on the spectrum who have been misdiagnosed as transgender or as suffering from bodily dysphoria.

Or who have managed to talk themselves (with ample support from “affirmative” professionals) into thinking that they’re trannies: “I’m a girl who likes mechanical stuff. That’s a boy thing. Ergo I must be a boy in a girls body!”

It’s a fucking travesty and tragedy.



They definitely look like implants. None of the women in the family have particularly big knockers, and hormones aren’t usually THAT effective.

Considering all the other things they’ve done to Jazz, I suppose giving a teenager a boob job is pretty trivial.

Based on the modesty cloth covering his decolletage in the prom video, I am leaning towards padding, not real breasts.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

I used to volunteer at a LGBT hotline and I encountered a lot trans kids who were really fucking miserable. There were mandates about what to do if a person was suicidal and then a separate mandate for suicidal trans people because it was so common. It was really fucking sad and was a solid part of why I quit, it was too heavy for me.

Because of that I have a lot of empathy for trans people and the absolute hell they go through. I know most would do anything to be cis or cishet, because the truth is it's just so much easier than feeling like you live in the wrong body.

Do you think working the hotline gave you any particular insights into the trans stuff? Perhaps off topic for this thread but I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the hows and whys.

 

[For The Internet]

Do you think working the hotline gave you any particular insights into the trans stuff? Perhaps off topic for this thread but I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the hows and whys.

Yeah, I do feel like I have some insight because a lot of stuff was told to me in confidence about it. I'm still not nearly as qualified to speak as someone who's trans or has experienced dysphoria they overcame.

I saw a surprising number of trans people (still as small number, but a surprising number nonetheless) who honestly wished there was some kind of therapy available (not like gay conversion, genuine therapy and meds) to help them overcome dysphoria because they believed it really was essntially a mental issue. This was over a decade ago at this point so there was no wokeness and no troons, just actual trans people and some people who were questioning their gender but certainly never called themselves non-binary. If you have any questions I'd be happy to try and answer them if I can.

 

[cuddle striker]

there has to be a way to ban churches from electrocuting fags, without preventing medically trained doctors from talking children out of major surgeries, or medically trained therapists from convincing them to wait until they're old enough to make rational, consensual decisions.

Those laws need specificity.

 

[Barbarella]

Those laws need specificity.

Yes, apparently, because we’ve lost all common sense along with the ability to determine what is reasonable to do. So by all means, let’s have the government do more thinking for us.

Pretty soon, we won’t be able to figure out what water does.

 

[Positron]

LOL I'm watching that time Jazz had a massive breakdown before his graduation speech.

Why did he decide to rewrite the speech just hours before the event? His crisis -- if you can call it a crisis at all -- is self-induced. The only correct response is "it is too fucking late bastard! You go on stage, bask in your 5 minute of fame, and get down."

 

[KeepHopeAlive]

Why did he decide to rewrite the speech just hours before the event? His crisis -- if you can call it a crisis at all -- is self-induced. The only correct response is "it is too fucking late bastard! You go on stage, bask in your 5 minute of fame, and get down."

Maybe he was worried it wasn't as good as his real-woman sister's hs salutorian's speech?? As a consolation prize he does have bigger tits than his real-woman sister's.

 

[OttoWest]

IIRC, the hormones gave him pickle tits that were incompatible with implants. But he was a lot lighter back then, so we're looking at some sort of fucked-up hybrid pickle moobs probably supplemented by a padded bra. Shit's fucked yo.

Tuberous breasts can be surgically corrected with implants or augmentation. It’s a fairly common procedure.

That said, I don’t think Jazz has implants, just fat with an ill-fitting bra.

 

[Pond Scum]

Maybe it's just me, but Jazz's lips have always been the worst part of his face to me. Something about how swollen they look, like they might fall off any second.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Maybe it's just me, but Jazz's lips have always been the worst part of his face to me. Something about how swollen they look, like they might fall off any second.

His lips are fine. The problem is his nose, it almost touch his lips just by talking. Every time I see her I think of Alice the Goon from Popeye.

Uncanny...

 

[Ningen]

Genuine dysphoria exists

Nobody says it doesn't, body dysmorphic disorder and gender dysphoria are well known mental disorders since centuries.

His lips are fine. The problem is his nose, it almost touch his lips just by talking. Every time I see her I think of Alice the Goon from Popeye.



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Uncanny...

The nose knows

 

[afternoon_tea]

It isn’t just the UK. These are the US states that ban “conversion therapy.”

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Note that while “conversion therapy” conjures images of fundies trying to pray away the gay or weirdo shrinks showing you straight porn or whatever, the term now encompasses “any therapist who isn’t affirming of the LGBTQIA++++.”
Less than half of the states might not seem like much but it’s the coasts. The big cities and highest concentration of cultures churning out troons.

Even if you are in a place where it’s legal and you want to help “dysphoric” teens & kids being trooned by munchie parents, who is going to train you to do it? And if you can rig together adequate therapeutic programs, what happens to your professional life when you get found out?

What if one of these already disturbed as hell people tries to detransition, ends up killing themselves because they’re clearly mentally ill anyway, and then it comes out that the kid was seeing the “controversial conversion therapist?” You’d have to be brave, crazy, or stupid to touch this issue right now. It’s a terrible situation.

I hope there are more and more therapists out there quietly planting the idea that maybe the patient should slow down and quit being so obsessed. The best therapists will quietly guide you to what you already know to be true and a person who is already in the office asking for help might be ready.

PS Ari isn’t a tomboy or non-feminine or whatever. You guys are simply getting overloaded with the way Jazz and his mom prance around looking the the teen section at Target vomited on them, so she looks plain in comparison. She’s just normal.

Re: the "conversion therapy" shit, what are they supposed to do in the case where someone has gender dysphoria, but doesn't want to transition? You'd never know it from the way it's talked about, but there are plenty of people in that position for a variety of reasons. The gender dysphoria is definitely there and not going away on it's own, but maybe the person realizes transition won't help them either.

It's fucked up, it's like there is no option but to tell someone "transition is the only thing that will help" when in many cases transition can make dysphoria worse, and now you just have a bunch of weird physical health problems on top of the psychological problems.

I guess there is stuff like the detrans subreddit, but other than that there really isn't a space for people with GID who do not have the desire to or who cannot transition. It's all about "egg hatching" and encouraging people to change their bodies.

It gets brought up a lot, but imagine if body dysmorphia was treated like this, with doctors encouraging you to get extreme surgeries to fix something that is a problem of the mind, not the body. It's insane.

Without PLing too much, I am close to someone in this position and he's spent like the last 20 years trying to find help, but all he gets is "transition is the only choice!". He got pressured to go on hormones and when they made him feel even worse, the therapist was like "guess you don't really have gender dysphoria then! Nothing I can do for you cissy!"

I sometimes get the feeling that these gender therapists might have a bit of a transformation fetish themselves, and try to manipulate vulnerable people into transition. It's creepy as hell.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Re: the "conversion therapy" shit, what are they supposed to do in the case where someone has gender dysphoria, but doesn't want to transition? You'd never know it from the way it's talked about, but there are plenty of people in that position for a variety of reasons. The gender dysphoria is definitely there and not going away on it's own, but maybe the person realizes transition won't help them either.

It's fucked up, it's like there is no option but to tell someone "transition is the only thing that will help" when in many cases transition can make dysphoria worse, and now you just have a bunch of weird physical health problems on top of the psychological problems.

I guess there is stuff like the detrans subreddit, but other than that there really isn't a space for people with GID who do not have the desire to or who cannot transition. It's all about "egg hatching" and encouraging people to change their bodies.

It gets brought up a lot, but imagine if body dysmorphia was treated like this, with doctors encouraging you to get extreme surgeries to fix something that is a problem of the mind, not the body. It's insane.

Without PLing too much, I am close to someone in this position and he's spent like the last 20 years trying to find help, but all he gets is "transition is the only choice!". He got pressured to go on hormones and when they made him feel even worse, the therapist was like "guess you don't really have gender dysphoria then! Nothing I can do for you cissy!"

I sometimes get the feeling that these gender therapists might have a bit of a transformation fetish themselves, and try to manipulate vulnerable people into transition. It's creepy as hell.

A therapist wouldnt automatically be like hey go transition. You work on the distress and what is causing them distress and never push what choice they should make. If they wish to transition it was never done quickly, the normal route was to have them at least spend 6 months living socially as their "new identity" before surgery and shit was even spoken about it.