US JD Vance attacks Europe over free speech and migration - Euroids are coping and seething

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US Vice-President JD Vance has launched a scalding attack on European democracies, saying the greatest threat facing the continent was not from Russia and China, but "from within".

It had been expected that Vance would use his speech at the Munich Security Conference to address possible talks to end the war in Ukraine.

Instead, he spent the majority accusing European governments - including the UK's - of retreating from their values, and ignoring voter concerns on migration and free speech.

The address was met by silence in the hall, and later denounced by several politicians at the conference. German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said it was "not acceptable".

Vance repeated the Trump administration's line that Europe must "step up in a big way to provide for its own defence".

The Ukraine war was mentioned, with Vance saying he hoped a "reasonable settlement" could be reached, after US President Donald Trump's surprise announcement earlier this week that he and Russia's Vladimir Putin had agreed to begin peace talks.

But Vance's address otherwise focused on culture-war issues and key themes of Trump's campaign for the US presidency - a departure from the usual security and defence discussions at the annual conference.

He alleged European Union "commissars" were suppressing free speech, blamed the continent for mass migration, and accused its leaders of retreating from "some of its most fundamental values".

The EU's foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, characterised Vance as "trying to pick a fight" with Europe, home to some of the US's closest allies.
Michael McFaul, the former US ambassador to Russia, told Politico Vance's remarks were "insulting" and "just empirically not true".
Vance used his 20-minute speech to single out several European nations, including the UK.

He raised a legal case in which an army veteran who silently prayed outside an abortion clinic was convicted of breaching an 150-metre safe zone around the centre.

The safe zone, introduced in October 2022, bans activity in favour or against abortion services, including protests, harassment and vigils.

But Vance argued that the "basic liberties of religious Britons, in particular" were under threat.

Vance went on to criticise the use of laws enforcing buffer zones, saying that free speech was in retreat and alleging that the Scottish government had warned people against private prayer within their own homes.

In response, the Scottish government said Vance's claim was "incorrect" and the law was "carefully drafted to capture only intentional or reckless behaviour close to a small number of premises providing abortion services".

Nine days before a tense national election in Germany, he touched on a heated debate in the country around mainstream political parties maintaining a so-called "firewall" of non-cooperation with the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party.

In the decades since democracy was restored in Germany after the defeat of the Nazis, there has been a consensus among its main political parties not to work with far-right parties.

"Democracy rests on the sacred principle that the voice of the people matters," Vance said. "There's no room for firewalls. You either uphold the principle or you don't."

The AfD's candidate for chancellor, Alice Weidel, later shared parts of his speech on X, praising it as "excellent". The two reportedly met afterwards, according to German public broadcaster ZDF.

In his own speech, Pistorius directly addressed Vance, saying: "Democracy was called into question by the US vice-president for the whole of Europe.

"He speaks of the annihilation of democracy," Pistorius continued. "And if I have understood him correctly, he is comparing conditions in parts of Europe with those in authoritarian regimes... that is not acceptable."

Vance also made reference to the presidential election in Romania, which was annulled in December after declassified documents suggested it had been targeted by Russian state interference.

Vance told the conference: "If your democracy can be destroyed with a few $100,000 of digital advertising from a foreign country, then it wasn't very strong to begin with."

Romanian Prime Minister Marcel Ciolacu said his country remains "a defender of the democratic values that Europe shares with the USA".

"All RO [Romanian] authorities are committed to organising free and fair elections by empowering citizens and guaranteeing the freedom to vote," he wrote on X.

Vance later met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on the sidelines of the conference, which has otherwise mainly focussed on Russia's full-scale invasion.

Zelensky said during the meeting that more work was needed on planning to end the fighting, while Vance said the pair shared a "fruitful" conversation.

Trump had said US, Russian and Ukrainian officials would meet in Munich, but Moscow has said it is not sending a delegation to the summit.
 
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I think Trump's blustering and attacking allies is needlessly hostile for no reason. I think he is doing this to pay to his neocon base who see modern EU countries as runaway woketopias

No. Hes doing it because European countries are being ran into the ground by these delusional idiots who imagine they're heading a grand prosperous empire and not a degenerating soon to be brazil tier shithole continent. Europes economy, prosperity, safety and everything else has only ever gone down under these "people" and they won't snap out of it. partly because morons can't stop sucking up to them telling them they're doing great.

Vance talking about cutting off aid to the EU for their hate speech laws. On One hand I hate European hate speech laws but I don't see it as worth causing an international incident over. It also would discredit nationalist as pawns of foreigners.

The reason you claim it would discredit nationalists as pawns is because they are already pushing that message.
This is a form of respectability politics that just doesn't work and causes your side to lose gracefully as it prevents you from doing things that may help your side because of some implicit threat that lets be real they are already doing.

In Romania after a right wing party won the election the election was cancelled due to alleged foreign influence of Russia
in Greece their rightwing party leaders were arrested
in Germany all the major parties have an alliance to shut their rightwing party out

tl;dr use state power and worry about what comes next afterward. There is no point in worrying about the other side doing something to you because they will or are doing it anyway.
 
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Europe and it's version of weebs here in the US (elites) sure do love to criticize, badmouth and interfere with the US.. But when someone finally has the balls to call them out on things like their little dystopia and failing democracies... then boom! They freak the fuck out like children. lol
 
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Also I (and any rational White American) wants Europe to be good so I could return there if/when the demographic situation in America and open anti White hatred gets to bad. I fear Trump's needless Jewish blustering could threaten that a long with European unity more broadly.
Shut up, faggot. You can drop the "I'm THE rational thinker, and only people who agree with me are as well" act.
 
I think this is the first time any American government official seriously criticized the European Union’s detestable “hate speech” laws. Seeing the eurocrats seethe in response was deeply satisfying.

If there were no hate speech laws in Europe-the migrant crisis would not be near as bad as it is.

Obviously this doesn’t mean that Trump or Trump voters hate Europe or Europeans, but Europe is run by detestable, craven and odious people-whether they be overbearing technocrats or leftists or the union of both. What exactly is the point of sending billions to Ukraine so one day Ukraine can too make it a crime to criticize African rape gangs?

No Europhile/EU booster can explain this.
 
I think this is the first time any American government official seriously criticized the European Union’s detestable “hate speech” laws. Seeing the eurocrats seethe in response was deeply satisfying.

If there were no hate speech laws in Europe-the migrant crisis would not be near as bad as it is.
Vance has been at it for a while. In 2023 he wrote to the Irish Ambassador to the US outlining his deep concern about the proposed Irish Hate Speech laws, suggesting it was not the type of law that a country considered an ally would have. Which I'm fully sure made the Irish politicians laugh at the hick Ohio senator thinking he was important enough to have an opinion on their law. It's why I think Vance genuinely cares about free speech. At a point when pretty much no-one on earth would ever have imagined he was a year off being VP elect, he was making what small moves he could to try and help people in other countries maintain their rights to free speech, even when he had to know it would have made him a figure of mockery to the people he was going against.
 
Despite having real world work that I have to do, curiosity got the better of me and I did a search for contemporaneous reactions to Vance's letter and found this beauty.
Who Is J.D. Vance When He's at Home?A first-term senator from the minority caucus presumed to address a friendly sovereign government on how to respond to a domestic crisis. The b*lls on this guy.

Regulars here in the shebeen know how fond I was of Mary Ellen (Lynch) Pierce, of Worcester, Massachusetts and Lixnaw, County Kerry in Ireland. A former shepherd, she was my grandmother with whom I spent a great deal of time as a boy. She had no tolerance for pretension, being one of seven sisters raised on a sheep farm did not breed in her anything of the sort. Faced with someone's pretension, she would scoff, "Mother of God, who's he when he's at home?"
Which brings us to Senator J.D. Vance, Republican of Ohio, the Hillbilly Allergy his own self.

It was an act of stunning presumption from a guy who'd been in the Senate for about 11 minutes at the time. It also was possibly an illegal one at that, if anyone truly gave a damn about the Logan Act, which nobody does. Vance's letter fairly reeks of the same thing — a first-term senator from the minority caucus presuming to address a friendly sovereign government on a) how to respond to a domestic crisis and b) to issue dire warnings about treaty obligations if Ireland doesn't jump on the current American conservative fauxtrage about the "silencing" about, say, Steve Bannon. To paraphrase my grandmother, who in the fck is J.D. Vance when he's at home?
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He didn’t go to Yale undergrad so he can’t be in Skull and Bones.
Skull and Bones is irrelevant now, future leaders are now decided on at Peter Thiel’s chemsex orgies.
But I'll repeat, it's eerie finding the Americans exploding with glee at the Euros being humiliated. Reducing Europe to a continent that is essentially incapable of autonomous action, with their armies completely incapable of doing anything without US support, with their satrapies ready to die for any order from Washington, always felt like the endgame for the US government. And the poor Ukrops are discovering it in real time!
The problem with this is that Europe has been a vassal state/continent of the United States since 1945. The United States was fine with Europe not paying its fair share into NATO because it meant a disarmed Europe. So Europe diverted money that should’ve went into NATO into social spending programs, which again the United States was in favor of because it meant Europe couldn’t kill another 50+ million of each other in yet another World War.

Ultimately the U.S. had set you all up as a vassal state until Russia and China started growing more influential. Now it’s America doing the equivalent of pimp slapping one of his hoes. There will never be a truly free Europe for the foreseeable future. We are moving away from a unipolar Pax Americana but nowhere in the mix will Europe be one of those poles.
 
Some Euros and Europhile Americans love to smugly say European countries are superior to the US. Well now they can put their money where their mouth is.
the only thing they are superior to us in is higher quality food, and Bobby's about to take that away that uniqueness from them too.
 
the only thing they are superior to us in is higher quality food, and Bobby's about to take that away that uniqueness from them too.
Even that was only ever cope from uncultured and poorly traveled Europeans who believe that all American bread is Wonder Bread and all American cheese is Kraft Singles.
 
It’s interesting see this issue get brought to the surface-the EU’s hate speech laws and more stringent policies in general are well known in American right wing circles(as something to fear), but very little do you see American liberals defend them or European elites defend them to an international audience.

Seeing Eurocrats basically do one of two things “it’s our country how dare you!” Or “we have these laws so Hitler won’t come back from the dead”.

It’s honestly a very weak defense. No “paradox of tolerance” or “deplatforming fascists is morally righteous”

We say the transatlantic Alliance is built on shared values-but Vance has brought up the issue of “what values?” After all-if you have “firewalls” to keep parties out of power because of something that happened eighty years ago and lock people up because they said mean things online-why exactly should the average American feel obligated to come to Europe’s rescue? Should American soldiers die to protect EU restrictions on freedom of the press?

It’s honestly very good from Vance-forcing a contradiction instead of reciting platitudes which conceal said contradiction.
 
Brexit robbed us of the ability to bring down the average score of European cuisine by making things like kidney pie not count as Euro anymore...... it was a loss for the ages.
I'll do you one worse than kidney pie with stargazy pie:
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Only the Bongs could think baking whole sardines into a pie was a good idea.
 
It’s interesting see this issue get brought to the surface-the EU’s hate speech laws and more stringent policies in general are well known in American right wing circles(as something to fear), but very little do you see American liberals defend them or European elites defend them to an international audience.

Seeing Eurocrats basically do one of two things “it’s our country how dare you!” Or “we have these laws so Hitler won’t come back from the dead”.

It’s honestly a very weak defense. No “paradox of tolerance” or “deplatforming fascists is morally righteous”

We say the transatlantic Alliance is built on shared values-but Vance has brought up the issue of “what values?” After all-if you have “firewalls” to keep parties out of power because of something that happened eighty years ago and lock people up because they said mean things online-why exactly should the average American feel obligated to come to Europe’s rescue? Should American soldiers die to protect EU restrictions on freedom of the press?

It’s honestly very good from Vance-forcing a contradiction instead of reciting platitudes which conceal said contradiction.
For me it's like...If freedom doesn't matter, and borders don't matter...why not just let Putin cross over the border and take away your freedom?
 
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