Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

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These weird over-corrections with black people Lily makes are hella weird and seem like they come from a place of trying to be the most "woke" person in the room. I mean, you wrote a story about a Black Communist lesbian who kills rich people and then turned other characters gay. We get it, you want a hyper progressive star wars self insert fic because you wanted to fuck Rey, but do you really need to bring in race politics considering it takes place in space and racism would likely be based on species and not amounts of melanin?
Being black isn't a thing that anyone seems to care about in the Star Wars universe, and it's something that really only matters to the audience consuming it. I guess that goes for most fictional media, but still. I guess that's part of the appeal. Unlike the real world, no one in the Star Wars galaxy cares if you're gay or PoC or whatever, so you can use it as a base to tell stories about your cool self insert who isn't afraid to be open about their sexuality like they might be in real life.
 
Being black isn't a thing that anyone seems to care about in the Star Wars universe, and it's something that really only matters to the audience consuming it. I guess that goes for most fictional media, but still. I guess that's part of the appeal. Unlike the real world, no one in the Star Wars galaxy cares if you're gay or PoC or whatever, so you can use it as a base to tell stories about your cool self insert who isn't afraid to be open about their sexuality like they might be in real life.

Racism can exist in a story about space travel and aliens battling each other. The thing that makes this stupid is Jerry's insistence on such an Earthly concept of racism.

It's been argued before, but that's because it's the strongest argument: Why in a galaxy filled with tentacle haired aliens and creatures with multiple limbs and reptilian anatomy would a black human be scrutinized for being black? It's too convenient. Diversity extends past the human race the second you get aliens involved, and thus you need to be a little more interesting if you want to tell stories about racism in a universe where a sentient, democratic race of acid spitting bug men has the same agency as humans do.
 
a brief reminder, Lily not long ago had a metal breakdown the same day she was informed by a third party that some black women felt uncomfortable with Aliana with something small about her character

this anon better not watch her streams or she will see Lily's true colors (not that she knows how to hide in the first place)
Exactly. Lily’s thrown multiple tantrums about people criticizing minority depictions in her stories (like when somebody took offense to Bonnie’s autistic coding), to the point where it’s hard to see this as anything other than performative.
The idea that disagreeing with criticism of your story or your representation is “showing your true colors” is also stupid. The only way to avoid this is to not brag about caring about representation.
 
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Exactly. Lily’s thrown multiple tantrums about people criticizing minority depictions in her stories (like when somebody took offense to Bonnie’s autistic coding), to the point where it’s hard to see this as anything other than performative.
The idea that disagreeing with criticism of your story or your representation is “showing your true colors” is also stupid. The only way to avoid this is to not brag about caring about representation.
I agree with the sentiment that POC's and minorities should be able to speak FIRST in regards to how they're portrayed in media, but they're not the only ones in fandoms. If people aren't telling them to shut the fuck up (and really this principle applies to discourse in general), they don't really have a moral high-ground to stand on.
 
What's actually getting me about this particular conversation is the conflation of African-American culture to being black in the Star Wars universe.

Why would these cultural norms have formed the same way in Star Wars? Why is it so important for a black (sorry, Black) character to interact with other black characters? I don't mean that in the sense that 'Aliana exists good enough', but the idea that they somehow form their own culture is obviously just taken from people's personal experience in their own communities in present-day America, (itself not reflective of dominantly black cultures across the world-- even in Britain 'being black' is associated with Caribbean cultures, very different than African-American, and those are both vastly different from native Africans, and those are markedly different from South Africans, and they aren't the same as--).

It's just not organic to the universe and it's kind of insulting? Like, this is how African-American culture developed therefore it must be a biological state that all black people, even those in another galaxy, will default to. It's incredibly ignorant and shallow, the equivalent of 'all black people know each other'.
 
While Liliana talks about how many black female friends her black protagonist has, I'm still wondering what is Rey even doing when she's not slobbering over Alaina's hair, buying disgusting colognes because Alaina likes them or fixing ships. Does she have any female friends, black or otherwise? Does she have friends at all? Does she talk with anyone that isn't Finn or Poe or Alaina? Alaina can have all these women who all asked her to change pronouns at some point or fuck her, but Rey remains just as ignorant and isolated as she was when she was living on a garbage planet on her own.

Liliana's so concentrated into trying to be the most anti-racist appreciator of blackness that she completely forgot about giving Rey any semblance of a life or presence on a story that was supposed to be about her too. At this point, why have Rey at all? Once Kylo Ren is killed finally and Alaina is the new whatever position she gave herself, what is the point of Rey even being there at all? Just so Liliana can fulfill her fantasy of slobbering over a black woman through her?
 
it's fine if you dont want to acknowledge character's personal live because even in starwars some of the main characters we dont know much of past what's been shown/talked about on screen. We don't need wiki fodder as lily loves to call it, we need content. fawning over hair or what type of cologne your SO likes is something that feels so out of place in a starwars fanfic and is more suited in a romcom.

It could work if your a competent writer but- ok need i have to finish that thought?
one of lily's main issues is not having a structure or a general theme for her fanfics. they're whatever she wants them to be. fine, brilliant, have fun but you'd think the rantsona who loves to give writing advice (aka rules that if you don't follow your a piece of shit) would be able to write for shit.


Lily, for the love of god just take some writing classes or something.
 
It could work if your a competent writer but- ok need i have to finish that thought?
one of lily's main issues is not having a structure or a general theme for her fanfics. they're whatever she wants them to be. fine, brilliant, have fun but you'd think the rantsona who loves to give writing advice (aka rules that if you don't follow your a piece of shit) would be able to write for shit.


Lily, for the love of god just take some writing classes or something.

I like that, on both fronts, everyone is either forgetting Poe, or choosing not to acknowledge the other black character.

Because Lily doesn't like men lol
This is the main reason why Peet will never take writing classes. He doesn't see this as a way to challenge himself and try to write a new story while adding different twists to everyone can enjoy it. No, he is writing this to stroke himself and become the best in SW in a self-diluted attempt to hide he is pathetic. He knows he is a hack but he admitting it will never allow the voice in his head to do something for himself.

No, can't allow other people to get the last laugh. Is there anything this motherfucker is truly passionate about to learn the ropes and whistles? He only gives a shit about getting the spotlight while getting praised and nothing more.
 
it's fine if you dont want to acknowledge character's personal live because even in starwars some of the main characters we dont know much of past what's been shown/talked about on screen. We don't need wiki fodder as lily loves to call it, we need content. fawning over hair or what type of cologne your SO likes is something that feels so out of place in a starwars fanfic and is more suited in a romcom.

It could work if your a competent writer but- ok need i have to finish that thought?
one of lily's main issues is not having a structure or a general theme for her fanfics. they're whatever she wants them to be. fine, brilliant, have fun but you'd think the rantsona who loves to give writing advice (aka rules that if you don't follow your a piece of shit) would be able to write for shit.


Lily, for the love of god just take some writing classes or something.

She doesn't need writing classes, she needs to get her head out of her ass. No amount of writing classes can teach you how to do that (and in the current environment I fear that quite a number will just encourage it).

Regarding this particular thing, the problem is that she's writing this entirely for self-indulgent purposes. Aliana has this rich (relatively speaking) backstory and life, she has friends and confidantes, she's ostensibly a character. Rey isn't. Rey is an accessory to Aliana, like all the characters are ultimately accessories to her.

She's admitted at much. According to Lily, Rey has no desire beyond Aliana. Being with Aliana fulfills all of her needs. Other her friends? Nah, she's got Aliana. Going on an adventure to see all the beauty the galaxy has to offer? Nah, she'd rather help Aliana with the incredible administrative work that would come with space-communism. The fulfillment of manual labor and working on ships? Apparently there's a cologne for that.

It all really culminates, of course, into the 'romantic' finale where Aliana lives a long and happy life and dies peacefully in her sleep, so Rey gets all her affairs in order and commits suicide because there is no point to living without Aliana. She has nothing that she cares about beyond Aliana-- not her hypothetical friends, not their children, not their grand-children. (Notably, Aliana would not do the same for Rey.)

It's pure egocentrism. Nobody else in the story actually exists except for the author's pet; everybody else is literally there to serve some purpose to Aliana.

Maybe a writing class could provide the outline to not doing this, but it wouldn't matter, because Lily isn't capable of it. She refuses to acknowledge that other people have their own thoughts and experiences, which is why all the 'good characters' all instantly agree with Aliana and nobody else is ever defined by their past and backstories. She can't imagine it. She can't sympathize with other people that aren't her, she can't get in somebody else's head and think 'what would this be like?' Even when she writes Aliana she can't actually imagine what it's like to have been through what she's been through; all of Aliana's emotional moments are just caricatures of better stories, ultimately ringing hollow... except for the anger behind her training being interrupted.

And no amount of writing classes can teach you basic human empathy.
 
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i love how far the bechdel test has been twisted

> two women talk to each other about something that isnt a man
> two poc talk about something that isnt a white person
> two black women talk about something that isnt white or male
> two black women are friends

i would argue that it would be less racist to have multiple characters that have their own lives and are just generally vibing than to go out of your way to pair up the blacks bcz theyre black
 
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Stitch, you're not original. I've seen this countless times.
"I wish we had those cute retro diners with pastel color palettes like in the 50s!"
"YOU KNOW THEY HAD "WHITES ONLY" SIGNS, RIGHT?!"
"I didn't...mean it like that..."
For as long as anything has ever existed, there will be those people who reduce it to its worst aspects (that's essentially what the "Cuphead Is Racist" debacle was about). This isn't me saying "sanitize the past", but the past being outside of most people's recent memory isn't free license to broad-brush it as some dark, scary time.
 
While Liliana talks about how many black female friends her black protagonist has, I'm still wondering what is Rey even doing when she's not slobbering over Alaina's hair, buying disgusting colognes because Alaina likes them or fixing ships. Does she have any female friends, black or otherwise? Does she have friends at all? Does she talk with anyone that isn't Finn or Poe or Alaina? Alaina can have all these women who all asked her to change pronouns at some point or fuck her, but Rey remains just as ignorant and isolated as she was when she was living on a garbage planet on her own.

Liliana's so concentrated into trying to be the most anti-racist appreciator of blackness that she completely forgot about giving Rey any semblance of a life or presence on a story that was supposed to be about her too. At this point, why have Rey at all? Once Kylo Ren is killed finally and Alaina is the new whatever position she gave herself, what is the point of Rey even being there at all? Just so Liliana can fulfill her fantasy of slobbering over a black woman through her?
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Good. Stop talking to pre-teens that make up the bulk of your fanbase Lily.
"How do you differentiate between criticism that is worth listening to and that is not?"

Liliana: "I just pick and choose whichever is convenient for me so I have to do the least amount of work about it. I was going to surround Alaina with more black friends for Rey to be attracted to anyway so that criticism was worth it. I don't want to change Luke as the evil I already wrote so criticism about that isn't worth it."

After that, like work of art, I have no idea what that quote means. When did Leah ever tried to impose anything on Alaina? Was that after or before Alaina shocked her?
 
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what the hell is this supposed to mean?
It's a fool that looks for logic in Lily's mind.


To be as charitable as possible, probably something like Aliana being a good person has allowed her to impose her good person values on to the Sith's laws and traditions, making it better.

Or who the fuck knows, she's a terrible writer.
 
"How do you differentiate between criticism that is worth listening to and that is not?"

Liliana: "I just pick and choose whichever is convenient for me so I have to do the least amount of work about it. I was going to surround Alaina with more black friends for Rey to be attracted to anyway so that criticism was worth it. I don't want to change Luke as the evil I already wrote so criticism about that isn't worth it."

After that, like work of art, I have no idea what that quote means. When did Leah ever tried to impose anything on Alaina? Was that after or before Alaina shocked her?

im not even thinking about that, i just genuinely dont understand what "without thinking if she would actually do it" means. is she a hypocrite? is there a possibility that, not only does she do actions that don't match with her morality, but she forces other to do the same?

does anyone have the link for this chapter? i need context
 
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I think she's trying to say Aliana forced her ideals of the sith being redeemed/woobified without trying to do that.

She made the sith be good guys on accident, with effortless Mary-Sue power and grace.

I think?

so the quote should read "without asking herself if she would succeed"?
 
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