Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

[Mac Tíre na Gealaí]

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In before autistic flailing. This is most likely all she’ll be talking about for the rest of the month lads.

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Usual party line outta Lily. Did her corpse wifeu die in canon?

Oh yeah, like they're just going to kill her in the first major patch of the expansion. I can guarantee that she won't die in the encounter, if she's even the one we're fighting.
Like, don't get me wrong, I want Sylvanas to fucking die and for her to never be mentioned again. No "redemption", no validation, just kill the cunt and forget about her.
But that's not the way Blizzard does things. I'm sure they've got more story to tell with her and she'll be around until at least the last major patch of Shadowlands.

I don't know how many times I have to reiterate this, but no one fucking wants Arthas to be redeemed. From what I've seen they pretty much just want to see what happened to him after Uther threw him into The Maw. I get that you absolutely despise Arthas, Lily, but you really need to stop making up shit like this just so you can hop up on your soap box and screech your opinions at people who don't want to hear them.

Also, that tweet about not faulting people for wanting Sylvanas to die is genuinely surprising. Her usual Modus Operandi is to absolutely shit on anyone that says anything even possibly obscurely negative about Sylvanas and prop her up on a pedestal. She's gone on record saying the Burning of Teldrassil was a good things because she considers the Night Elves (and, really, all of the Alliance) to be Nazis. So for her to basically turn around and say "yeah, no, I can't fault you for wanting her to die" is... odd, to say the least.

Someone explain to the dude who doesn't play WoW like a normal person

So info for the next major content update was accidentally leaked by Blizzard. In it is info that the new raid will involve the players coming "face-to-face with the Banshee Queen herself in a fateful confrontation."
Obviously a lot of people, including Lily, are speculating this means she will be a fight in the raid, possibly resulting in Sylvanas' death.
In my opinion, if we do end up fighting her, I believe she will escape and not actually be killed.
There's also the possibility that we just see her in a cutscene as she sics a mind-raped Anduin on us.


Speaking of, yeah, the leak also included concept art of Anduin looking very Lich King-y. Dark, Maw-themed armor with blue skin and white hair like Arthas, and even a Frostmourne-like weapon. Assuming this isn't a "What If?" scenario, this means that Sylvanas either tortured/mind-raped Anduin, or just outright murdered and resurrected him under her/The Jailer's will.
You know, like Arthas did to Sylvanas.
But Sylvanas isn't an abuser, no sir!

 

[Typical Anime Trap]

Someone explain to the dude who doesn't play WoW like a normal person

Just to explain generally since I know most people on this thread don't play wow/keep up with it

Spoiler: Trying my best to explain BfA/shadowlands lore

Sylvanas was named warchief of the horde by the previous warchief, Vol'Jin (a troll and a generally pretty well received character amongst the playerbase) as he was dying because some mysterious whisper/voice told him to. Right before BfA began Sylvanas starts her reign off as warchief by immediately murdering her own people. She and Anduin (human, current king/leader of the alliance) arranged a meeting between some forsaken and their living family members which resulted in Sylvanas killing all of the forsaken that accompanied her and Calia Menethil (human, Arthas' younger sister). Anduin raises Calia back to life by using the light which is a whole other can of worms.

As BfA begins Sylvanas declares war against the Alliance and starts off by ordering the execution of Malfurion Stormrage (Night elf leader, husband to Tyrande Whisperwind) to destroy the hope of the night elves. This was supposed to be carried out by Varok Saurfang (old orc, once again generally well received by the playerbase) but before he landed a killing blow on Malfurion he decided not to since the blow was un-honorable, which is a thing that orcs in WoW take pretty seriously. So because of that Malfurion is saved by Tyrande and gets to live another day. Sylvanas says "well thats no good" and then takes matters into her own hands by burning down Teldrassil (which is a giant fucking tree that a majority of night elf homes, towns, and cities, reside in) and by doing so, essentially commits a large scale genocide against the night elves. ((I just want to note this is not the first time Sylvanas has done something really bad like this: the best example would be previously when she destroyed Gilneas (the worgen starting zone/kingdom lead by Genn Greymane.) by killing most of its inhabitants with the blight, forcing the evacuation of Gilneas. Most Gilneans fled to Darnassus which is in Teldrassil. So in another way the burning of Teldrassil is a double loss for the worgen/Genn Greymane.)) In retaliation the Alliance attacked the forsaken capital, undercity, in hopes of taking back the kingdom of Lordaeron and they won.

As BfA goes on Saurfang and others from the horde start to doubt Sylvanas and her leadership as most think that the burning Teldrassil was taking things way too far. By the end of the battle for Lordaeron, Saurfang is captured by the Alliance and taken prisoner. While imprisoned Saurfang speaks to Anduin about his mistrust of Sylvanas and Anduin decides to let him go. Saurfang then starts to build up a resistance against the horde by getting the backing of the Alliance and the original warchief of the horde, Thrall. Basically while all of this is happening there's also stuff going on with old golds (which are like giant destructive power sources that want to destroy Azeroth) and the fact that Azeroth is literally falling apart. So there's this pretty big section of the expansion that goes towards dealing with those things but I'm trying to mostly focus on Sylvanas lore. Tyrande also goes through a ceremony and becomes "the night warrior" gifted by her goddesses powers to seek vengeance against Sylvanas. Sylvanas also does some pretty weird stuff during this time such as raising Jaina Proudmoore's (human, powerful mage, very well known lore character) dead brother in attempt to use him to kill Jaina and possibly others as well? This never happens since Baine Bloodhoof (Tauren leader) warns Jaina and is then branded a traitor. Basically one by one the Horde leaders choose their allegiances which are either Horde/Sylvanas loyalist or Saurfang/Alliance loyalist.

Now I haven't touched on this much but all throughout the expansion Sylvanas' actual goals/what she actually intends to do by waging war is never really touched upon. The playerbase can side with her but they're never actually given a reason as to why they should other than "well you like Sylvanas, don't you?". For a grand majority of the expansion she's been making these big sinister plays but no one knows why, but if you understand bad writing then you understand that Blizzard is trying to do something to shock its playerbase by not telling them anything in advance. All of Sylvanas' shifty behavior culminates when Saurfang challenges Sylvanas to a duel and during that duel after Sylvanas is struck she says "the Horde is nothing". She then one shots Saurfang with some mysterious magical power and delivers some vague line about how "nothing lasts" before disappearing. At this point Sylvanas is clearly becoming Blizzards next big bad. At this point she is no longer the Warchief of the Horde or leader of the forsaken as she's broken away from both to do the next thing. She hasn't been replaced yet either as the Forsaken are still without a definitive leader but the Horde's leadership is currently more of a council, agreed upon by most of the Horde leaders that the title of Warchief probably shouldn't be used anymore since its done more harm than good.

The next thing Sylvanas does is she fucking bodies the current lich king with strength and powers she should not have and then she Destroys the Helm of Domination (which is used to control the scourge and could bring mass destruction if not the end of all life on azeroth if given to the wrong person) which rips a giant hole in the sky and opens the gateway to the shadowlands(which is the afterlife system for Azeroth and possibly other planets as well), thus bringing an end to BfA.

TLDR: Sylvanas becomes warchief, does very bad things for very suspicious/unknown reasons, leaves the horde, then opens a portal to the afterlife.

Within shadowlands we learn that Sylvanas has been in allegiance with a thing/man(?) called The Jailer who basically runs super hell in the shadowlands. I don't know too much about the Jailer or what his plans are, as Blizzard is once again leaving the playerbase in the dark for some unknown reason. All we really know is Sylvanas is allied with the Jailer, probably did everything in BfA under his orders, and is really concerned with giving Anduin the choice to join them rather than forcing him to.

From there everything Mr. Sylvanas Fucking Sucks said is pretty accurate in my opinion. I don't think they'll kill her off immediately like this, but I would not be at all surprised if she dies by the end of the expansion.

Lily has been mad about Sylvanas' characterization since Saurfang was commanded to kill Malfurion. She was upset when she wasn't given the option to side with her waifu and she was still upset even when she got the option to do just that. Lily claims that Blizzard is just running wild with her character even though Sylvanas has always been ruthless in the pursuit of immortality. Sylvanas has always been scared that she'll end up in the maw/super hell and she's gone through multiple different methods specifically to prevent that from happening. Most of her actions are self motivated and it ties right in with the fact that Sylvanas has always been portrayed as vain and selfish on a personal level, despite being a proven good leader. But according to Lily that doesnt matter and Blizzard is writing their own character wrong.

Lily also likes to make plenty of things up. Such as Sylvanas being a lesbian or her being staunchly against arranged marriage for some reason. Lily has also said that at this point she doesnt trust Blizzard to write her well and thus only considers her version of Sylvanas (the one from the Anevay chronicles) canon, which is just simply not how that works. But because of that she probably convinced herself that Sylvanas actually is good and that's why she keeps getting mad every time something about Sylvanas being a big bad comes out. She's so consumed with the things she made up about her that she refuses to acknowledge that in reality Sylvanas is almost nothing like that.

Speaking of, yeah, the leak also included concept art of Anduin looking very Lich King-y. Dark, Maw-themed armor with blue skin and white hair like Arthas, and even a Frostmourne-like weapon. Assuming this isn't a "What If?" scenario, this means that Sylvanas either tortured/mind-raped Anduin, or just outright murdered and resurrected him under her/The Jailer's will.

Something I want to note is Anduin is basically Dimitri. A good boy, blue eyed, blonde haired, lion motifed, prince/king who will probably go through an intense corruption arc. The amount parallels I could make between these two characters alone is pretty insane. And if Anduin is Dimitri then that makes Sylvanas his Edelgard. Edelgard and Sylvanas are the same in the fact that they will commit atrocities in order to accomplish their goals, and if you don't join her she'll do her best to get rid of you. I could see Anduin going through a corruption arc from miles away because I've already played this game.

Basically BfA is pre-time skip FE:3H. Dimitri is Anduin, Sylvanas is Edelgard, and Claude would be Wrathion I guess? Sylvanas opening the portal to the shadowlands is basically just Edelgard revealing she's the flame emperor, and shadowlands is basically the time skip.

I'm pretty sure I've made this point before but it's honestly pretty funny that Lily wont touch fire emblem, seeing as how she would probably love Edelgard. She wrote off the entire franchise because some random ask told her about Soliel and Rahjat and how badly they were handled, despite the fact that the fates games are considered bad by most FE players. Not only that but three houses has 5 different options if the player wants to play as F!Byleth and marry a woman, one of them being Edelgard.

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

She's gone on record saying the Burning of Teldrassil was a good things because she considers the Night Elves (and, really, all of the Alliance) to be Nazis. So for her to basically turn around and say "yeah, no, I can't fault you for wanting her to die" is... odd, to say the least.

She heard you.

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Lily Myopic Orchard insist people stop using smart sounding words. How quaint.

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[SubarashiiRage]

She heard you.
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Lily Myopic Orchard insist people stop using smart sounding words. How quaint.

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so Lily defending Sylvanas "out of spite" was just an excuse for the lack of any arguments for her and for not having to admit that she only likes superficial elements of the character, as if that was not obvious from the beginning

I also like that her fans are using the same attitude and reasoning as her against her and all she has to say is "eat shit".
Lily, didn't you always want your fans to think like you? I think you got it

 

[saladimitate]

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Why is making her a villain ableist? As far as I've seen, Sylvanas doesn't have any handicaps?

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

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Misogynist and ableist? She's just throwing words around becaus she doesn't like a story decision for reasons she can't articulate properly. (Also, Lily, 'capitulate' is a word that normal people use in conversation. Anon was being snippy about your limited vocabulary but let's not pretend that somehow makes them not talk like a normal person.)

There's nothing wrong with not liking story decisions that are made by companies or even individual authors, and sometimes they legitimately ARE bad and misunderstand their own characters or world. There's nothing wrong with establishing your own headcanon for how you wish things were. There's nothing wrong with articulating your point. And really there's nothing wrong with having that opinion just because you really want to bang the character in question.

Although the lattermost is pretty funny because Lily has expressed how much she hates fanfiction that does this very thing-- taking a monstrous, villainous character with an even vaguely sympathetic backstory and then writing a fanfic about how they were always good or love could redeem them because obviously the person writing it just rally wants to bang that character. See, it's wrong with teenage girls write out their fantasies of making a bad boy good again, but it's okay when Lily does the same to the war criminal because LOOK, Sylvanas is a WOMAN so she can be a LESBIAN and that's HOT.

It's less okay when you start saying that decisions were made because of obvious -isms, though. Because you're then implying that anybody who supports those character decisions or finds them interesting (even in the abstract-- I don't World of Warcraft so I don't know how I'd react to seeing all of this actually playing out, but I find the basis of the arc pretty interesting). Now you've given yourself the ability to just say that anybody who's intrigued by the premise is only intrigued not because of the nature of corruption or the idea of staring into the abyss or becoming a monster to fight monsters or any kind of long-standing archetypal concept: it's because you hate women, and clearly so did the creators.

Doesn't matter if they've had plenty of evil men that didn't get redeemed, no sir. They made this one female character evil, therefore you hate women. Honestly it seems like it's the opposite situation here; World of Warcraft is an MMO where everybody is playing their own avatar so the major NPCs, while they can have storyline significance, aren't going to be holding that significance in the day-to-day of the game. They're quest-givers and allies, but they can't be heroes with major focus on them just because of the way the game functions. But a villain? The target of the expansion, the one that's driving the storyline? They're going to be getting a lot more focus, and you're only going to elevate characters you're interested in (one way or another) to that position, since you'll be with them for a while during the expansion's lifetime.

Final note: I've always hated people crying 'misogyny' or 'homophobia' or any other -phobia or -ism when a character of a 'protected class' has bad things happen tot hem, or does bad things. Like women aren't just as capable of evil as men? Are women not capable of ambitions that could lead to evil? Are women too sub-human to be considered anything but 'misunderstood', made only to be victims?


tl;dr
Get bent, Lily.

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

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She's reading the thread again.

Hi, Lily How's not being married even though you set a date and everything?

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From what I've read from people on this thread it sounds like she's Lily's
Hyperfixation and she can't stand any criticism against it bc it feels in her head like an attack on her.

ETA: more anons ( Archives aren't working for me sorry about that )

Looks like there’s still time to spit on Lizzy

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[The Iconoclast]

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Heh. Reminds me of Far-Right neo-nazi type people iRoNiCaLly saying gas the jews.

Remember that post that that dude from TV Tropes made on Jerry's YMMV discussion page, that I shared earlier?

Particularly the first half

I think this right here just goes to show that he hasn't really grown from his Anti-SJW mindset, he's just shifted to a different belief system while holding the same attitude he always has had

I also love how that one anon keeps explaining the definitions of big words just to get under his skin lmfao

 

[teriyakiburns]

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tl;dr victims of abuse should never develop agency and independence, and should be perpetually beholden to their trauma.

It's interesting that Jerry would try and minimise the existence of the cycle of violence (not the cycle of abuse: that's the four stages of abuse in a relationship), as admitting its pervasive nature would require he also admit that he's perpetuating that same cycle.

He casts himself as a victim of abuse, which is likely true, but not from the source he's claiming (or not entirely anyway; abusive relationships are usually reciprocal). The framework he's created here is designed to free him from having to accept agency, or to accept any responsibility for his actions. Everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault and he's entirely justified in lashing out at them, because he's a victim, you see. He doesn't need to treat other people better. They should coddle him and never do anything that challenges his comfortable little niche.

Problem is, that's exactly how abusers frame their behaviour. Denial of personal agency is part of the cycle of abuse (the real one), in the form of blaming the target (look what you made me do!), or claiming that your abusive behaviour is merely the justified response to the acts of others.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

taking a monstrous, villainous character with an even vaguely sympathetic backstory and then writing a fanfic about how they were always good or love could redeem them because obviously the person writing it just rally wants to bang that character

The worst part is that Sylvanas doesn't even have a Vaguely Sympathetic backstory.

Sylvanas has always been an entitled cunt, She got handed the position of Ranger General because of her last name, Told her King to fuck off because she liked Human Cock, decided her entire defense in the face of an undead army that had just caused their nearest ally to fall (which they did NOTHING to help with despite her boy toy being from that nation) would be "LOL LETS ANNOY THE GENERAL WHILE HIDING BEHIND OUR MAGIC ROCKS" and after she gets her body back and has Arthas at her mercy and is within a stone's throw of murdering the son of a bitch..she paralyzes him so she can torture him instead of just killing him.

Sylvanas is exactly what would happen if you take an Entitled Upper-Class Middle Child and hand her the power that Sylvanas has. After she Yeeted herself off Icecrown because somebody ELSE got to kill Arthas..she realized that she would fucking go to hell and has now decided to kick over the table on a universal scale because SHE DIDN'T GET WHAT SHE WANTED, all while complaining that she is the victim.

I can bitch about Warcraft's story in places, but Sylvanas' arc is not one of them because Sylvanas is peak Antifa-member and the fact that I am going to get to punch her Smug Karen face next patch makes me super excited.

 

[existencialdispointment]

Heh. Reminds me of Far-Right neo-nazi type people iRoNiCaLly saying gas the jews.

Remember that post that that dude from TV Tropes made on Jerry's YMMV discussion page, that I shared earlier?

Particularly the first half
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I think this right here just goes to show that he hasn't really grown from his Anti-SJW mindset, he's just shifted to a different belief system while holding the same attitude he always has had

I also love how that one anon keeps explaining the definitions of big words just to get under his skin lmfao

it's strange that any one would think modern feminism and social justice causes are not fueled by vitrol and filled with toxic mind sets. Lilly fits right in with other leftists like vaush and hassan.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

it's strange that any one would think modern feminism and social justice causes are not fueled by vitrol and filled with toxic mind sets. Lilly fits right in with other leftists like vaush and hassan.

The original feminist had a point. But over time it became nothing but petty grievance mongering until you get women obsessing over how men sit on public transportation.
Feminists are often the most angry and hateful critters you'll ever encounter.

 

[Typical Anime Trap]

it's strange that any one would think modern feminism and social justice causes are not fueled by vitrol and filled with toxic mind sets. Lilly fits right in with other leftists like vaush and hassan.

The original feminist had a point. But over time it became nothing but petty grievance mongering until you get women obsessing over how men sit on public transportation.
Feminists are often the most angry and hateful critters you'll ever encounter.

As a feminist I whole heartedly disagree with these statements. I believe in equality for men and women alike, and I believe through my own lived experience that women arent given the same opportunities or freedoms that men are. But that's neither here nor there. The specific brand of liberal SJW you guys are referring to is a whole different beast parading around as a feminist. Much like Lily they use this method of extreme acceptance to gain as much favor with people as they can and then hide from criticism by deflecting with "but my trauma!1!!1" as if most people arent in some way negatively affected by the way this world currently functions.

Lily is really a poster child of this aggressive sjw mindset. She claims native heritage so she can be a POC, she claims being raped so she can pull the rape card, and she pulls the transwoman card to stop people from using the word queer. The only way to describe people like Lily is oppressive, and if anything that is the complete opposite of feminism and what a feminist should stand for. As far as real life goes, most feminists (like me or many others I know personally) would find the things that Lily or the people like her do to be abhorrent.

 

[thebananaonion]

Why is making her a villain ableist? As far as I've seen, Sylvanas doesn't have any handicaps?

The handicap is being a woman duhhh! Dont you keep up with the sjw oppression olympics?

In all seriousness, i hope sylvanas rots and dies because the fact that she's actually not that goot (personality wise) yes lily boot licks her like she's the second coming of jesus is pathetically sad, but of course she'd project onto a tyrant who's abusive to others, it fits her power fantasy she wants to make real. Hence why she's a lesbian also in her mind.

 

[The Iconoclast]

As a feminist I whole heartedly disagree with these statements. I believe in equality for men and women alike, and I believe through my own lived experience that women arent given the same opportunities or freedoms that men are. But that's neither here nor there. The specific brand of liberal SJW you guys are referring to is a whole different beast parading around as a feminist. Much like Lily they use this method of extreme acceptance to gain as much favor with people as they can and then hide from criticism by deflecting with "but my trauma!1!!1" as if most people arent in some way negatively affected by the way this world currently functions.

Lily is really a poster child of this aggressive sjw mindset. She claims native heritage so she can be a POC, she claims being raped so she can pull the rape card, and she pulls the transwoman card to stop people from using the word queer. The only way to describe people like Lily is oppressive, and if anything that is the complete opposite of feminism and what a feminist should stand for. As far as real life goes, most feminists (like me or many others I know personally) would find the things that Lily or the people like her do to be abhorrent.

Agreed.

It's always funny and somewhat comforting to know that his name is such poison in every community, that even the ones who would have reason to tolerate him just flat out don't because he's such a chode.

 

[Ben Laden]

If Sylvanas actually dies by the end of this expansion, than what will Lily have left to talk about? She hates Warcraft now for killing her waifu, she hates Star Wars for daring to allow Kylo Ren to exist, MLP is over, everything Lily loves is dying around her.

 

[starborn427614]

Feminists are often the most angry and hateful critters you'll ever encounter.

Cartoon critics can give them a run for their money sometimes.

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

If Sylvanas actually dies by the end of this expansion, than what will Lily have left to talk about? She hates Warcraft now for killing her waifu, she hates Star Wars for daring to allow Kylo Ren to exist, MLP is over, everything Lily loves is dying around her.

My question is why would she continue to pay for a Warcraft subscription if she hates everything they’re doing? Maybe I’m just not the right type of person I don’t play MMO, but I wouldn’t pay for a subscription to something that constantly lets me down writing-wise.

In fact: Doing some quick math shows that if Lily been playing since launch (17 years ago) at the very least at 12.99 for 6months she’s burnt at least 441$ CAD on something that’s caused her nothing but stress and broken friendships.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

My question is why would she continue to pay for a Warcraft subscription if she hates everything they’re doing? Maybe I’m just not the right type of person I don’t play MMO, but I wouldn’t pay for a subscription to something that constantly lets me down writing-wise.

In fact: Doing some quick math shows that if Lily been playing since launch (17 years ago) at the very least at 12.99 for 6months she’s burnt at least 441$ CAD on something that’s caused her nothing but stress and broken friendships.

Because she actually likes it but like the entire community chooses to do nothing but complain about every god damn thing like fucking austistic faggots.

 

[Suck the Cock]

Sylvanas is exactly what would happen if you take an Entitled Upper-Class Middle Child and hand her the power that Sylvanas has.

Ah, it all becomes clear. All this time, I was wondering why Jerry loved her character. But now it all makes sense.