Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

[ÁchtunaRoll]

https://archive.ph/JkXAN

“ I accidentally did something racist in a narrative that I only noticed after the fact UWU” Lily’s head is empty. Wonder what other black character she had? Does anyone know?

this SU rewrite video is gonna be a worse take on racism then her first take. I can feel it.

took the words out of my mouth.

 

[thebananaonion]

i mean in the anime at one point, Ash's snorlax used 6 different moves in one battle. obviously, that's the anime being the anime and nothing compared to the games. but ash has been hit with the marysue/plot armour stick quite a few times in the anime too. he's not terrible compared to other cannon marysues in media you could come across, but the amount of bullshit the writers put him and his pokemon through sometimes is laughable.

teeeechnically pokemon can have 5 moves if you include Z moves but you need specific requirements for that and z move shenanigans are somewhat too deep for lily's moneky brain no doubt as there are different requerments, set up, unique z moves for specific pokemon etc etc.

So a pokemon having more than 4 moves is not unheard of in the anime atleast but having like 13 is... yeah unheard of obviously.

Unless those are movies gardevoir knows currently with others that she use to know. Maybe in this canon you dont need a move reminder/deleter and once a pokemon 'knows a move' they can freely switch between them but only 4 a battle or something. nothings been said and considering G is a mary sue, its a safe bet to say she knows all these moves- which is stupid because wheres the moves she knew as a ralts or a kirlia? HM/TM moves if any and forgotten? lily please write atleast some logic in your stories, its not just 'continuity bad' at this point its literally to help the audience understand your bullshit.

 

[bigboy420]

https://archive.ph/JkXAN

“ I accidentally did something racist in a narrative that I only noticed after the fact UWU” Lily’s head is empty. Wonder what other black character she had? Does anyone know?

this SU rewrite video is gonna be a worse take on racism then her first take. I can feel it.


took the words out of my mouth.

No fucking way. She tweeted this because of an email I sent her

For context I was talking about SU with a friend where she said she didn't want to watch it because the show had lots of racism. She linked the video as a source, so I decided to go through the referenced episodes with her. After that, she unsurprisingly said that she doesn't have any issues with the show anymore because she's seen the source material.

I don't know what people's opinions on SU are here but it's not really relevant. I posted a comment on the youtube video, but it didn't show up for 24h so I decided to send Lily an email. You can skip reading it if you haven't seen the show (a lot of it won't make sense otherwise) or don't care

Spoiler: Sent email

Lily I don't know if my comment got caught in the spam filter on your Steven Universe video or if you deleted it, but I won't assume bad faith since you said that you'd allow comments critical of your video, at least with proper arguments and points.

However I did have a big problem with the video. I've copy pasted my comment below.


I have serious issues with the racism segment of this video:
- I was going to write something very long about Bismuth's representation, but you said it yourself at 1:05:47 that this was fixed with the follow-up episode (S5E22) to Bismuth's introduction (S3E20/21) and that it was a matter of missing context. So clearly this isn't because of Sugar being racist; it's an issue with how the context was delivered. It belongs under the pacing category or something, because it was only relevant when the show was still airing and a retrospective view of it does not yield the same conclusion.

- Sugalite's section is just blatantly wrong.
It's stated and shown many times in the show that the forms of fusions are heavily dictated by the personalities and relationship of the gems involved in the fusion. A very good example of this is Malachite, which draws from the fact Jasper literally can only think about fighting and their relationship draws very strong allegories to an abusive relationship (S3E15). Sugalite's form and personality is even explained by Garnet (S02E10), quoted as saying "[Garnet] can be brash, [Amethyst] can be reckless, and [they] can both get carried away". It has nothing to do with racial coding; and that argument falls apart even further because you said you don't even know what coding Amethyst is. I could find lots of people claiming that Amethyst was coded Black/Latino, however never any reasons why.

You saying Nicki Minaj being offended by Sugilite's form is probably the biggest stretch in the entire segment. You're essentially claiming that if things were a-ok, they would've been able to get Nicki Minaj, a celebrity voice actor who would probably be very expensive to contract and would have to deal with a shitload of time scheduling issues, just for a 10 second cameo in two other episodes, one of which isn't even about Sugilite. Lest I start quoting logical fallacies but I can't see why this should violate Occam's Razor.

The point about Pearl singing about how "she needs to be stronger than Sugilite" is also just so incorrect I don't know why it was included in this video. Did we even watch the same episode? The context (S1E20) for the singing was that Steven wanted to train because he looked up to Sugilite and wanted to be strong like her, and dismissed Pearl when she said that there were more ways of being strong. Cue the singing about how Pearl wishes that Steven looked up to her as strong (which she thinks is "strong in the real way") like Sugilite, and it's heavily hinted that she's jealous. NOT about how she "can't be strong in a real way unless she beats up some black woman". This was also lifted directly from the source with a couple of words changed, so I'm surprised that you didn't fact check this as you were editing the footage in.

- I'm not entirely sure about what your specific issue about the inclusion of the human zoo is. If it's because of an inclusion of a human zoo, then it's silly because it's owned by the space facists (diamonds). It's not like Steven (and by extension the show) is promoting the concept of a human zoo; if anything they're against it since the entire plot of the couple of episodes that deal with it is that they wanted to rescue Greg from one. If your issue is to do with the fact that it was designed as a utopia instead of what they actually were, then the only thing I can really say is that one was designed to make fun of black people as animals, and the other was to preserve human life. Other than that I don't really have a strong argument, so I'll concede.

- Concrete can be seen as racist (even if Lamar said that the blackface wasn't intentional), however I'm confused as to why you pin the blame 100% on Rebecca. Especially as it was Lamar Abrams was the person who designed it. I don't want to hear it's because she claimed 100% responsibility for it; what would be the alternative? She throws one of her team members under the bus? Otherwise I don't understand enough about the situation

As for your source(s), you claim you have multiple but you only link one. I found a very strong rebuttal for it (minus the Bismuth part because the follow-up episode wasn't released at that point):

https://jacquelineristola.wordpress.com/2016/08/13/steven-universe-and-race/

It also raises a very interesting point: The source you use was written by someone who was a very racist person themselves (not to mention has links to pedophilia). I don't think a source about racism written by a racist person is trustworthy as a result. https://omgstopbeingashittyperson.t...is-is-riley-identifies-as-genderqueer-goes-by


I didn't watch the rest of the video since I was honestly so unimpressed with the amount of twisting and cherry picking in this small 10 minute segment.

Shortly after that tweet was sent, I got a response in my email:

Four main things since I'm a busy woman and this is a lot of text saying very little:

1. "Your point about X is incorrect, I don't know why you would say that" is not a real counterpoint. You need to talk about why it's incorrect.
2. Your counterpoint about Sugilite falls into the trap I set up for you. Yes, I know that Minaj is a very expensive and difficult to schedule voice actress. But that's not a defense of Steven Universe. My joke criticism is technically wrong, but you've stumbled into a real criticism of the show: It blows it's budget on garbage. And when the main central cirtiticsm of the show is "Steven Universe's executive producer is an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to run anything" your refutations shouldn't be strengthening the overall point.
3. The stuff about Riley is irrelevant. This is classic well-poisoning. The only reason not to use Riley as a source about racism would be if she was wrong in what she said. Not because of tertiary crap.
4. This email is for submissions and fanart. Not so you can dodge the spam filter.

The video is two years old, I not longer check the approval queue at all unless it comes by me while browsing approval for all videos.

So from what I've concluded:

• It's okay to use a source that deals with racism even if it was made by someone extremely racist and is attracted to children, because it agrees with Lily.
• Putting in "joke" arguments is okay because it will trap people who try to think critically about it. And people who haven't seen the show at all will take it at face value
• The entire point of the video was not to criticise the show, but just to verbally abuse Rebecca Sugar? What??

I'm not entirely surprised by that last point since Lily didn't even care that Concrete (the black-face concept art) was designed by Lamar Abrams, a black man. She just included it as a way to shift blame onto Sugar even if she had almost no involvement in it.

I don't fucking know. I'm just angry and needed somewhere to vent. I did some googling after I sent another email and found out that Lily deletes critical comments (which makes a lot of sense) and found this thread as well.

I did send a second email and tried to be more diplomatic about it, but I doubt that Lily would respond. It's hard to discuss this with anyone

Spoiler: Second email

> "Your point about X is incorrect, I don't know why you would say that" is not a real counterpoint. You need to talk about why it's incorrect.

I *did* explain why. That paragraph was about you not fact-checking the medium post you sourced. You made a claim in your video that was OBJECTIVELY wrong. Pearl did not sing what you said she sang about, and people think that what you said is true. That's why I'm confused as to why it's in the video.

> Your counterpoint about Sugilite falls into the trap I set up for you.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Anyone who bothers to try to research the arguments for themselves will see this joke argument and think that it reflects the quality of the rest of the video. Why include a trap?

Not to mention that to determine that this is a trap requires context; you did the exact same thing you criticize Rebecca Sugar for. A lot of people watching the video haven't seen the show at all and think this is a much bigger issue than it actually is because they lack the context of the episode.

Hearing things like 'And when the main central cirtiticsm of the show is "Steven Universe's executive producer is an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to run anything"' and you not refuting the Concrete point makes me think that this video was more a hit piece on Rebecca rather than a criticism of the show.

> The stuff about Riley is irrelevant. This is classic well-poisoning. The only reason not to use Riley as a source about racism would be if she was wrong in what she said. Not because of tertiary crap.

Right. Ignoring the kind of person Riley is, is it because Riley is black? Do you want me to find someone who's black who agrees with me?

And by the way, Riley WAS wrong in the part about Sugilite / Pearl you quoted almost directly.

 

[Ben Laden]

No fucking way. She tweeted this because of an email I sent her

For context I was talking about SU with a friend where she said she didn't want to watch it because the show had lots of racism. She linked the video as a source, so I decided to go through the referenced episodes with her. After that, she unsurprisingly said that she doesn't have any issues with the show anymore because she's seen the source material.

I don't know what people's opinions on SU are here but it's not really relevant. I posted a comment on the youtube video, but it didn't show up for 24h so I decided to send Lily an email. You can skip reading it if you haven't seen the show (a lot of it won't make sense otherwise) or don't care

Spoiler: Sent email

Lily I don't know if my comment got caught in the spam filter on your Steven Universe video or if you deleted it, but I won't assume bad faith since you said that you'd allow comments critical of your video, at least with proper arguments and points.

However I did have a big problem with the video. I've copy pasted my comment below.


I have serious issues with the racism segment of this video:
- I was going to write something very long about Bismuth's representation, but you said it yourself at 1:05:47 that this was fixed with the follow-up episode (S5E22) to Bismuth's introduction (S3E20/21) and that it was a matter of missing context. So clearly this isn't because of Sugar being racist; it's an issue with how the context was delivered. It belongs under the pacing category or something, because it was only relevant when the show was still airing and a retrospective view of it does not yield the same conclusion.

- Sugalite's section is just blatantly wrong.
It's stated and shown many times in the show that the forms of fusions are heavily dictated by the personalities and relationship of the gems involved in the fusion. A very good example of this is Malachite, which draws from the fact Jasper literally can only think about fighting and their relationship draws very strong allegories to an abusive relationship (S3E15). Sugalite's form and personality is even explained by Garnet (S02E10), quoted as saying "[Garnet] can be brash, [Amethyst] can be reckless, and [they] can both get carried away". It has nothing to do with racial coding; and that argument falls apart even further because you said you don't even know what coding Amethyst is. I could find lots of people claiming that Amethyst was coded Black/Latino, however never any reasons why.

You saying Nicki Minaj being offended by Sugilite's form is probably the biggest stretch in the entire segment. You're essentially claiming that if things were a-ok, they would've been able to get Nicki Minaj, a celebrity voice actor who would probably be very expensive to contract and would have to deal with a shitload of time scheduling issues, just for a 10 second cameo in two other episodes, one of which isn't even about Sugilite. Lest I start quoting logical fallacies but I can't see why this should violate Occam's Razor.

The point about Pearl singing about how "she needs to be stronger than Sugilite" is also just so incorrect I don't know why it was included in this video. Did we even watch the same episode? The context (S1E20) for the singing was that Steven wanted to train because he looked up to Sugilite and wanted to be strong like her, and dismissed Pearl when she said that there were more ways of being strong. Cue the singing about how Pearl wishes that Steven looked up to her as strong (which she thinks is "strong in the real way") like Sugilite, and it's heavily hinted that she's jealous. NOT about how she "can't be strong in a real way unless she beats up some black woman". This was also lifted directly from the source with a couple of words changed, so I'm surprised that you didn't fact check this as you were editing the footage in.

- I'm not entirely sure about what your specific issue about the inclusion of the human zoo is. If it's because of an inclusion of a human zoo, then it's silly because it's owned by the space facists (diamonds). It's not like Steven (and by extension the show) is promoting the concept of a human zoo; if anything they're against it since the entire plot of the couple of episodes that deal with it is that they wanted to rescue Greg from one. If your issue is to do with the fact that it was designed as a utopia instead of what they actually were, then the only thing I can really say is that one was designed to make fun of black people as animals, and the other was to preserve human life. Other than that I don't really have a strong argument, so I'll concede.

- Concrete can be seen as racist (even if Lamar said that the blackface wasn't intentional), however I'm confused as to why you pin the blame 100% on Rebecca. Especially as it was Lamar Abrams was the person who designed it. I don't want to hear it's because she claimed 100% responsibility for it; what would be the alternative? She throws one of her team members under the bus? Otherwise I don't understand enough about the situation

As for your source(s), you claim you have multiple but you only link one. I found a very strong rebuttal for it (minus the Bismuth part because the follow-up episode wasn't released at that point):

https://jacquelineristola.wordpress.com/2016/08/13/steven-universe-and-race/

It also raises a very interesting point: The source you use was written by someone who was a very racist person themselves (not to mention has links to pedophilia). I don't think a source about racism written by a racist person is trustworthy as a result. https://omgstopbeingashittyperson.t...is-is-riley-identifies-as-genderqueer-goes-by


I didn't watch the rest of the video since I was honestly so unimpressed with the amount of twisting and cherry picking in this small 10 minute segment.

Shortly after that tweet was sent, I got a response in my email:


So from what I've concluded:

• It's okay to use a source that deals with racism even if it was made by someone extremely racist and is attracted to children, because it agrees with Lily.
• Putting in "joke" arguments is okay because it will trap people who try to think critically about it. And people who haven't seen the show at all will take it at face value
• The entire point of the video was not to criticise the show, but just to verbally abuse Rebecca Sugar? What??

I'm not entirely surprised by that last point since Lily didn't even care that Concrete (the black-face concept art) was designed by Lamar Abrams, a black man. She just included it as a way to shift blame onto Sugar even if she had almost no involvement in it.

I don't fucking know. I'm just angry and needed somewhere to vent. I did some googling after I sent another email and found out that Lily deletes critical comments (which makes a lot of sense) and found this thread as well.

I did send a second email and tried to be more diplomatic about it, but I doubt that Lily would respond. It's hard to discuss this with anyone

Spoiler: Second email

> "Your point about X is incorrect, I don't know why you would say that" is not a real counterpoint. You need to talk about why it's incorrect.

I *did* explain why. That paragraph was about you not fact-checking the medium post you sourced. You made a claim in your video that was OBJECTIVELY wrong. Pearl did not sing what you said she sang about, and people think that what you said is true. That's why I'm confused as to why it's in the video.

> Your counterpoint about Sugilite falls into the trap I set up for you.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Anyone who bothers to try to research the arguments for themselves will see this joke argument and think that it reflects the quality of the rest of the video. Why include a trap?

Not to mention that to determine that this is a trap requires context; you did the exact same thing you criticize Rebecca Sugar for. A lot of people watching the video haven't seen the show at all and think this is a much bigger issue than it actually is because they lack the context of the episode.

Hearing things like 'And when the main central cirtiticsm of the show is "Steven Universe's executive producer is an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to run anything"' and you not refuting the Concrete point makes me think that this video was more a hit piece on Rebecca rather than a criticism of the show.

> The stuff about Riley is irrelevant. This is classic well-poisoning. The only reason not to use Riley as a source about racism would be if she was wrong in what she said. Not because of tertiary crap.

Right. Ignoring the kind of person Riley is, is it because Riley is black? Do you want me to find someone who's black who agrees with me?

And by the way, Riley WAS wrong in the part about Sugilite / Pearl you quoted almost directly.

You may have seen this show up in the thread a few times, recently even, but trying to actually communicate with Lily is a waste of time because she's not gonna listen to anything said by you, or only respond in a way where she can maintain control over the situation. She'll never actually talk with Sarah Z or anyone else Lily doesn't like, they have to talk to her on her terms. She only reacts in bad faith to other people. Doublecat MUST be crazy to think Lily is doing something wrong! Rebecca Sugar MUST be a Nazi sympathizer because the Diamonds don't get punished for doing bad things. And if you send her an email about how she's wrong about SU? You're some kind of insane, butthurt SU fan and all your arguments are meaningless.

Since Lily gets to decide what's a valid complaint or argument or not, trying to be nice to her or have a discussion with her is pointless because she doesn't respect anyone else. At least, anyone who doesn't live to tell her how funny/cool/cute/smart she is.

Still, funny to see Lily admit that the SU video was made just because she doesn't like Rebecca Sugar.

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

Now I'm not a pokemon expert or anything so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that way too many moves for a pokemon to know?

I'll give her this one, honestly. It's generally accepted that 'Pokemon only know four moves' is a gameplay contrivance. Generally speaking, things like fanfiction or forum games will ignore this stipulation because it's a bit silly to assume that just because a Pokemon knows Flamethrower it had to forget how to Scratch.

Less forgiving is that she lists G having two Abilities that Gardevoir can't have, at least one illegal move in Crunch, and gives her two Z Moves (abilities that can only be used in conjunction with two special items) on her normal attack list.

https://archive.md/Wcic1

'making a new framework'

Poor baby, having to actually think about where the plot is going instead of just vomiting all over something pre-made.

https://archive.md/HduOD

> Horde Champion is 100% self-indulgence
Implying that The Sith Resurgence isn't.

At least she admitted that HC is self-indulgence, although it winds up making her arguments about lore and characterization even stupider since apparently she doesn't care and the story is just whatever Lily and Mikaila want it to be at all times, fuck canon. But then she gets into these arguments with anons (and apparently Reddit) about her interpretations, too, and it's like... pick one. Either it's self-indulgent and you're just doing what you want and having fun, or you believe in your interpretations and you can point to lore where it's definitely justified or just vaguepost about how 'it's more likely than you think'.

Also hilarious that her focus on her Star Wars fic that was supposed to be about 'fixing' the sequel trilogy comes down exclusively to Aliana's character. Not Rey's? Not Finn's? Of course not, because TSR was always its own self-indulgence about putting Lily's original character (do not steal) getting to bang a hot chick and fix all the problems and be the coolest and have her own space fleet and overthrow the government and be justified in murder and I guess Star Wars is somehow involved at this point. But she basically just admits here that it's The Aliana Show, and seems to assume (rather, 'know for a fact') that everybody loves Aliana's character and is just there for the Aliana.

Which, granted, is a phenomenon in particular fanfictions and I'm sure that Lily's sycophants are there for the same reason. I wonder how many people actually reading TSR are doing so because they love Star Wars, or because they're Lily's fans and they'll fellate her no matter what cap she puts on a page? (I'm guessing at the least that the comments on the fic are almost universally from the latter, with anything less than universal praise having been appropriately pruned. I haven't checked recently but her comments section did have a number of instances of Lily getting into slap-fights against comments that had been 'Removed by the author'.



I also want to draw attention to this Ask, and the Madhouse one; again, they're tagged Anonymous. They're both self-sent Submissions. This is kind of obvious from both in the way they're worded with leading questions (and the fact that Lily responded to them in a somewhat lengthy way, and the fact that nobody gives a shit about G's Abilities and attacks except Lily).

It really is pathetic that she has to fabricate this interest in herself instead of just having the confidence to post information without pretending somebody else was really interested. I guess it feeds a sense of self-importance and communicates to her followers that people really do care, but wow, it's sad.

 

[starborn427614]

No fucking way. She tweeted this because of an email I sent her

For context I was talking about SU with a friend where she said she didn't want to watch it because the show had lots of racism. She linked the video as a source, so I decided to go through the referenced episodes with her. After that, she unsurprisingly said that she doesn't have any issues with the show anymore because she's seen the source material.

I don't know what people's opinions on SU are here but it's not really relevant. I posted a comment on the youtube video, but it didn't show up for 24h so I decided to send Lily an email. You can skip reading it if you haven't seen the show (a lot of it won't make sense otherwise) or don't care

Spoiler: Sent email

Lily I don't know if my comment got caught in the spam filter on your Steven Universe video or if you deleted it, but I won't assume bad faith since you said that you'd allow comments critical of your video, at least with proper arguments and points.

However I did have a big problem with the video. I've copy pasted my comment below.


I have serious issues with the racism segment of this video:
- I was going to write something very long about Bismuth's representation, but you said it yourself at 1:05:47 that this was fixed with the follow-up episode (S5E22) to Bismuth's introduction (S3E20/21) and that it was a matter of missing context. So clearly this isn't because of Sugar being racist; it's an issue with how the context was delivered. It belongs under the pacing category or something, because it was only relevant when the show was still airing and a retrospective view of it does not yield the same conclusion.

- Sugalite's section is just blatantly wrong.
It's stated and shown many times in the show that the forms of fusions are heavily dictated by the personalities and relationship of the gems involved in the fusion. A very good example of this is Malachite, which draws from the fact Jasper literally can only think about fighting and their relationship draws very strong allegories to an abusive relationship (S3E15). Sugalite's form and personality is even explained by Garnet (S02E10), quoted as saying "[Garnet] can be brash, [Amethyst] can be reckless, and [they] can both get carried away". It has nothing to do with racial coding; and that argument falls apart even further because you said you don't even know what coding Amethyst is. I could find lots of people claiming that Amethyst was coded Black/Latino, however never any reasons why.

You saying Nicki Minaj being offended by Sugilite's form is probably the biggest stretch in the entire segment. You're essentially claiming that if things were a-ok, they would've been able to get Nicki Minaj, a celebrity voice actor who would probably be very expensive to contract and would have to deal with a shitload of time scheduling issues, just for a 10 second cameo in two other episodes, one of which isn't even about Sugilite. Lest I start quoting logical fallacies but I can't see why this should violate Occam's Razor.

The point about Pearl singing about how "she needs to be stronger than Sugilite" is also just so incorrect I don't know why it was included in this video. Did we even watch the same episode? The context (S1E20) for the singing was that Steven wanted to train because he looked up to Sugilite and wanted to be strong like her, and dismissed Pearl when she said that there were more ways of being strong. Cue the singing about how Pearl wishes that Steven looked up to her as strong (which she thinks is "strong in the real way") like Sugilite, and it's heavily hinted that she's jealous. NOT about how she "can't be strong in a real way unless she beats up some black woman". This was also lifted directly from the source with a couple of words changed, so I'm surprised that you didn't fact check this as you were editing the footage in.

- I'm not entirely sure about what your specific issue about the inclusion of the human zoo is. If it's because of an inclusion of a human zoo, then it's silly because it's owned by the space facists (diamonds). It's not like Steven (and by extension the show) is promoting the concept of a human zoo; if anything they're against it since the entire plot of the couple of episodes that deal with it is that they wanted to rescue Greg from one. If your issue is to do with the fact that it was designed as a utopia instead of what they actually were, then the only thing I can really say is that one was designed to make fun of black people as animals, and the other was to preserve human life. Other than that I don't really have a strong argument, so I'll concede.

- Concrete can be seen as racist (even if Lamar said that the blackface wasn't intentional), however I'm confused as to why you pin the blame 100% on Rebecca. Especially as it was Lamar Abrams was the person who designed it. I don't want to hear it's because she claimed 100% responsibility for it; what would be the alternative? She throws one of her team members under the bus? Otherwise I don't understand enough about the situation

As for your source(s), you claim you have multiple but you only link one. I found a very strong rebuttal for it (minus the Bismuth part because the follow-up episode wasn't released at that point):

https://jacquelineristola.wordpress.com/2016/08/13/steven-universe-and-race/

It also raises a very interesting point: The source you use was written by someone who was a very racist person themselves (not to mention has links to pedophilia). I don't think a source about racism written by a racist person is trustworthy as a result. https://omgstopbeingashittyperson.t...is-is-riley-identifies-as-genderqueer-goes-by


I didn't watch the rest of the video since I was honestly so unimpressed with the amount of twisting and cherry picking in this small 10 minute segment.

Shortly after that tweet was sent, I got a response in my email:


So from what I've concluded:

• It's okay to use a source that deals with racism even if it was made by someone extremely racist and is attracted to children, because it agrees with Lily.
• Putting in "joke" arguments is okay because it will trap people who try to think critically about it. And people who haven't seen the show at all will take it at face value
• The entire point of the video was not to criticise the show, but just to verbally abuse Rebecca Sugar? What??

I'm not entirely surprised by that last point since Lily didn't even care that Concrete (the black-face concept art) was designed by Lamar Abrams, a black man. She just included it as a way to shift blame onto Sugar even if she had almost no involvement in it.

I don't fucking know. I'm just angry and needed somewhere to vent. I did some googling after I sent another email and found out that Lily deletes critical comments (which makes a lot of sense) and found this thread as well.

I did send a second email and tried to be more diplomatic about it, but I doubt that Lily would respond. It's hard to discuss this with anyone

Spoiler: Second email

> "Your point about X is incorrect, I don't know why you would say that" is not a real counterpoint. You need to talk about why it's incorrect.

I *did* explain why. That paragraph was about you not fact-checking the medium post you sourced. You made a claim in your video that was OBJECTIVELY wrong. Pearl did not sing what you said she sang about, and people think that what you said is true. That's why I'm confused as to why it's in the video.

> Your counterpoint about Sugilite falls into the trap I set up for you.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Anyone who bothers to try to research the arguments for themselves will see this joke argument and think that it reflects the quality of the rest of the video. Why include a trap?

Not to mention that to determine that this is a trap requires context; you did the exact same thing you criticize Rebecca Sugar for. A lot of people watching the video haven't seen the show at all and think this is a much bigger issue than it actually is because they lack the context of the episode.

Hearing things like 'And when the main central cirtiticsm of the show is "Steven Universe's executive producer is an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to run anything"' and you not refuting the Concrete point makes me think that this video was more a hit piece on Rebecca rather than a criticism of the show.

> The stuff about Riley is irrelevant. This is classic well-poisoning. The only reason not to use Riley as a source about racism would be if she was wrong in what she said. Not because of tertiary crap.

Right. Ignoring the kind of person Riley is, is it because Riley is black? Do you want me to find someone who's black who agrees with me?

And by the way, Riley WAS wrong in the part about Sugilite / Pearl you quoted almost directly.

Well said and researched mate.

 

[bigboy420]

You may have seen this show up in the thread a few times, recently even, but trying to actually communicate with Lily is a waste of time because she's not gonna listen to anything said by you, or only respond in a way where she can maintain control over the situation. She'll never actually talk with Sarah Z or anyone else Lily doesn't like, they have to talk to her on her terms. She only reacts in bad faith to other people. Doublecat MUST be crazy to think Lily is doing something wrong! Rebecca Sugar MUST be a Nazi sympathizer because the Diamonds don't get punished for doing bad things. And if you send her an email about how she's wrong about SU? You're some kind of insane, butthurt SU fan and all your arguments are meaningless.

Since Lily gets to decide what's a valid complaint or argument or not, trying to be nice to her or have a discussion with her is pointless because she doesn't respect anyone else. At least, anyone who doesn't live to tell her how funny/cool/cute/smart she is.

Still, funny to see Lily admit that the SU video was made just because she doesn't like Rebecca Sugar.

That's fair enough. I saw critical comments on the video and assumed Lily was open for criticism, but after looking into it more I realized that Lily just left the low hanging fruit that were very easy for her to reply to and counter, and just deleted the rest. Definitely would've helped if I did my research beforehand and not have to go through all this

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

Lily "My joke criticism is technically wrong" Orchard

Why does she always do this? If people don't swallow the critique she back peddles it into it was always a joke.

No Lily.

@bigboy420 you should screencap her emails to you. for posterity

Someone should set her up with Chaosismel on Twitter those two dodging critiques and never accepting criticism would create a singularity.

 

[bigboy420]

Why does she always do this? If people don't swallow the critique she back peddles it into it was always a joke.
No Lily.

@bigboy420 you should screencap her emails to you. for posterity

Someone should set her up with Chaosismel on Twitter those two dodging critiques and never accepting criticism would create a singularity.

It's more or less the same thing, but here's the screenshot. I only got the one email, but I'll post if I get another

 

[starborn427614]

If Lily's hoping for as big a reaction to her next SU video she's going to be in for a rude awakening. Plenty of counter-criticisms and creators have popped up since then and the fucking thing's over anyway. Only people who already dislike the franchise are going to agree with her.

 

[The Embodiment Of Waste]

If Lily's hoping for as big a reaction to her next SU video she's going to be in for a rude awakening. Plenty of counter-criticisms and creators have popped up since then and the fucking thing's over anyway. Only people who already dislike the franchise are going to agree with her.

Entirely this. Also hating Steven Universe isn't really subversive anymore. A majority of the fanbase unanimously agree SU:Future was shit and i can only assume Lily is gonna talk about that or she would be retreading old water

 

[starborn427614]

Entirely this. Also hating Steven Universe isn't really subversive anymore. A majority of the fanbase unanimously agree SU:Future was shit and i can only assume Lily is gonna talk about that or she would be retreading old water

Personally I think Future was better written than a lot of the OG series, but that's neither here nor there. Like you said, old water.

 

[The Embodiment Of Waste]

Personally I think Future was better written than a lot of the OG series, but that's neither here nor there. Like you said, old water.

I mean it in the context of if Lily made an hour long video bullying future, She can't really go round acting smug for shitting on everybody's favourite show when alot of people have negative feelings towards future. Honestly my biggest problem with it is there was no need to make the movie relevant to the series, as it worked as a standalone piece, like what Regular Show did. I like parts of it but also would have been entirely content with it not existing. The original SU video gained traction because at the time the show was being held in pretty high regard, and it was a contrarian take. There aren't really any reactionaries anymore outside of the hate circlejerk. No part of me believes if Lily made a video about Future, it would talk about the semantics of it's release in the context of the show. It would be a video about how poorly some characters were held up, topped off with further seething about the Diamonds.

 

[starborn427614]

I mean it in the context of if Lily made an hour long video bullying future, She can't really go round acting smug for shitting on everybody's favourite show when alot of people have negative feelings towards future. Honestly my biggest problem with it is there was no need to make the movie relevant to the series, as it worked as a standalone piece, like what Regular Show did. I like parts of it but also would have been entirely content with it not existing. The original SU video gained traction because at the time the show was being held in pretty high regard, and it was a contrarian take. There aren't really any reactionaries anymore outside of the hate circlejerk. No part of me believes if Lily made a video about Future, it would talk about the semantics of it's release in the context of the show. It would be a video about how poorly some characters were held up, topped off with further seething about the Diamonds.

True, true. Epilogues in general are usually unessersary, but personally it's worth it for me due to episodes like Rose Buds, Volleyball, Snow Day etc. As for the "woman" herself: If there's one thing Lily consistently gets right is misunderstanding themes and characterization. Another video would just expose how terrible of a critic she is even more so than the original.

 

[Mac Tíre na Gealaí]

No fucking way. She tweeted this because of an email I sent her

For context I was talking about SU with a friend where she said she didn't want to watch it because the show had lots of racism. She linked the video as a source, so I decided to go through the referenced episodes with her. After that, she unsurprisingly said that she doesn't have any issues with the show anymore because she's seen the source material.

I don't know what people's opinions on SU are here but it's not really relevant. I posted a comment on the youtube video, but it didn't show up for 24h so I decided to send Lily an email. You can skip reading it if you haven't seen the show (a lot of it won't make sense otherwise) or don't care

Spoiler: Sent email

Lily I don't know if my comment got caught in the spam filter on your Steven Universe video or if you deleted it, but I won't assume bad faith since you said that you'd allow comments critical of your video, at least with proper arguments and points.

However I did have a big problem with the video. I've copy pasted my comment below.


I have serious issues with the racism segment of this video:
- I was going to write something very long about Bismuth's representation, but you said it yourself at 1:05:47 that this was fixed with the follow-up episode (S5E22) to Bismuth's introduction (S3E20/21) and that it was a matter of missing context. So clearly this isn't because of Sugar being racist; it's an issue with how the context was delivered. It belongs under the pacing category or something, because it was only relevant when the show was still airing and a retrospective view of it does not yield the same conclusion.

- Sugalite's section is just blatantly wrong.
It's stated and shown many times in the show that the forms of fusions are heavily dictated by the personalities and relationship of the gems involved in the fusion. A very good example of this is Malachite, which draws from the fact Jasper literally can only think about fighting and their relationship draws very strong allegories to an abusive relationship (S3E15). Sugalite's form and personality is even explained by Garnet (S02E10), quoted as saying "[Garnet] can be brash, [Amethyst] can be reckless, and [they] can both get carried away". It has nothing to do with racial coding; and that argument falls apart even further because you said you don't even know what coding Amethyst is. I could find lots of people claiming that Amethyst was coded Black/Latino, however never any reasons why.

You saying Nicki Minaj being offended by Sugilite's form is probably the biggest stretch in the entire segment. You're essentially claiming that if things were a-ok, they would've been able to get Nicki Minaj, a celebrity voice actor who would probably be very expensive to contract and would have to deal with a shitload of time scheduling issues, just for a 10 second cameo in two other episodes, one of which isn't even about Sugilite. Lest I start quoting logical fallacies but I can't see why this should violate Occam's Razor.

The point about Pearl singing about how "she needs to be stronger than Sugilite" is also just so incorrect I don't know why it was included in this video. Did we even watch the same episode? The context (S1E20) for the singing was that Steven wanted to train because he looked up to Sugilite and wanted to be strong like her, and dismissed Pearl when she said that there were more ways of being strong. Cue the singing about how Pearl wishes that Steven looked up to her as strong (which she thinks is "strong in the real way") like Sugilite, and it's heavily hinted that she's jealous. NOT about how she "can't be strong in a real way unless she beats up some black woman". This was also lifted directly from the source with a couple of words changed, so I'm surprised that you didn't fact check this as you were editing the footage in.

- I'm not entirely sure about what your specific issue about the inclusion of the human zoo is. If it's because of an inclusion of a human zoo, then it's silly because it's owned by the space facists (diamonds). It's not like Steven (and by extension the show) is promoting the concept of a human zoo; if anything they're against it since the entire plot of the couple of episodes that deal with it is that they wanted to rescue Greg from one. If your issue is to do with the fact that it was designed as a utopia instead of what they actually were, then the only thing I can really say is that one was designed to make fun of black people as animals, and the other was to preserve human life. Other than that I don't really have a strong argument, so I'll concede.

- Concrete can be seen as racist (even if Lamar said that the blackface wasn't intentional), however I'm confused as to why you pin the blame 100% on Rebecca. Especially as it was Lamar Abrams was the person who designed it. I don't want to hear it's because she claimed 100% responsibility for it; what would be the alternative? She throws one of her team members under the bus? Otherwise I don't understand enough about the situation

As for your source(s), you claim you have multiple but you only link one. I found a very strong rebuttal for it (minus the Bismuth part because the follow-up episode wasn't released at that point):

https://jacquelineristola.wordpress.com/2016/08/13/steven-universe-and-race/

It also raises a very interesting point: The source you use was written by someone who was a very racist person themselves (not to mention has links to pedophilia). I don't think a source about racism written by a racist person is trustworthy as a result. https://omgstopbeingashittyperson.t...is-is-riley-identifies-as-genderqueer-goes-by


I didn't watch the rest of the video since I was honestly so unimpressed with the amount of twisting and cherry picking in this small 10 minute segment.

Shortly after that tweet was sent, I got a response in my email:


So from what I've concluded:

• It's okay to use a source that deals with racism even if it was made by someone extremely racist and is attracted to children, because it agrees with Lily.
• Putting in "joke" arguments is okay because it will trap people who try to think critically about it. And people who haven't seen the show at all will take it at face value
• The entire point of the video was not to criticise the show, but just to verbally abuse Rebecca Sugar? What??

I'm not entirely surprised by that last point since Lily didn't even care that Concrete (the black-face concept art) was designed by Lamar Abrams, a black man. She just included it as a way to shift blame onto Sugar even if she had almost no involvement in it.

I don't fucking know. I'm just angry and needed somewhere to vent. I did some googling after I sent another email and found out that Lily deletes critical comments (which makes a lot of sense) and found this thread as well.

I did send a second email and tried to be more diplomatic about it, but I doubt that Lily would respond. It's hard to discuss this with anyone

Spoiler: Second email

> "Your point about X is incorrect, I don't know why you would say that" is not a real counterpoint. You need to talk about why it's incorrect.

I *did* explain why. That paragraph was about you not fact-checking the medium post you sourced. You made a claim in your video that was OBJECTIVELY wrong. Pearl did not sing what you said she sang about, and people think that what you said is true. That's why I'm confused as to why it's in the video.

> Your counterpoint about Sugilite falls into the trap I set up for you.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Anyone who bothers to try to research the arguments for themselves will see this joke argument and think that it reflects the quality of the rest of the video. Why include a trap?

Not to mention that to determine that this is a trap requires context; you did the exact same thing you criticize Rebecca Sugar for. A lot of people watching the video haven't seen the show at all and think this is a much bigger issue than it actually is because they lack the context of the episode.

Hearing things like 'And when the main central cirtiticsm of the show is "Steven Universe's executive producer is an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to run anything"' and you not refuting the Concrete point makes me think that this video was more a hit piece on Rebecca rather than a criticism of the show.

> The stuff about Riley is irrelevant. This is classic well-poisoning. The only reason not to use Riley as a source about racism would be if she was wrong in what she said. Not because of tertiary crap.

Right. Ignoring the kind of person Riley is, is it because Riley is black? Do you want me to find someone who's black who agrees with me?

And by the way, Riley WAS wrong in the part about Sugilite / Pearl you quoted almost directly.

Yeah, like I and many others have said: directly engaging with her is completely pointless. She is way too far up her own ass to actually hear anything, let alone have it reach her brain. You can be as polite, well-meaning, and objectively right as can be and everything you say will warp in her mind. She's devolved to the point where everything lacks nuance and she can only respond in one of two ways: with honey or with vitriol. Everything she likes is the best thing ever, and anything that is even remotely negative towards her or what she likes is a personal attack.
Don't blame you for trying, this seems like your first brush with her and I'd be lying if I said I didn't try similar things when I was unaware of who Lily truly was. You're also very articulate and did your research (already miles ahead of Lily herself), so big kudos there. Unfortunately that means nothing to Lily, and as you can see her response... Let's say leaves much to be desired.

> Horde Champion is 100% self-indulgence
Implying that The Sith Resurgence isn't.

At least she admitted that HC is self-indulgence, although it winds up making her arguments about lore and characterization even stupider since apparently she doesn't care and the story is just whatever Lily and Mikaila want it to be at all times, fuck canon. But then she gets into these arguments with anons (and apparently Reddit) about her interpretations, too, and it's like... pick one. Either it's self-indulgent and you're just doing what you want and having fun, or you believe in your interpretations and you can point to lore where it's definitely justified or just vaguepost about how 'it's more likely than you think'.

This, absolutely. If she meant it she'd actually hand-wave away any questions/concerns/criticisms with "it's just self-indulgent". But her defensiveness and the fact that she argues every point means she genuinely believes in her own interpretation, and because it's her it's the default, correct version. She doesn't argue like it's just a headcanon, she argues that it's actual canon. To her, Arthas raped Sylvanas, Anduin is a serial mind-controller and rapist, and Sylvanas genuinely did nothing even remotely wrong/evil ever. But when people, rightfully, try to stick up and defend the canon, even with direct evidence from the source, she handwaves it away like it's FALSE.

I think on some level she knows and recognizes that her interpretation isn't the definitive version, despite the fact that she thinks it's inherently better and should be. But the way she vehemently defends her writing in HC, even though it's supposedly purely self-indulgent, definitely shows that she's not content to let people have a different interpretation. Even when it's completely innocuous stuff like "I don't think Anduin uses mind-control to rape women."
Everything always comes back to the fact that Lily has to control the narrative on anything she touches, there can be no room to allow other versions to exist.

 

[off meds / online]

For posterity, here's the post Lily is bitching about -

https://archive.ph/wip/PcePq

the only "false narrative" I can see her latching on to is the jab about Stockholm.

 

[Mac Tíre na Gealaí]

For posterity, here's the post Lily is bitching about -

View attachment 2058334

https://archive.ph/wip/PcePq

the only "false narrative" I can see her latching on to is the jab about Stockholm.

Yeah, definitely the Stockholm jab, but she also seems to hate being called a contrarian. Which she is.

 

[off meds / online]

it just baffles me that she's so deep in denial that she can look at archives of her admitting to authoring it and continue to claim she never wrote it. and all of her stans are stupid enough to eat it up.

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

https://archive.ph/RdkOU

https://archive.ph/44E2h

https://archive.ph/npmmM

https://archive.ph/UD2Vl

EDIT TO ADD :

https://archive.vn/NZmhP

 

[Son Goku Baku]

That's Spectrum.
If my memory is correct, he's supposed to be Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy's child or something...?

https://lily-orchard.tumblr.com/post/613309052980756480/can-you-put-up-some-references-of-spectrum-for-me

https://archive.ph/4m8a6

View attachment 2057157

Spectrum is the child that Rainbow abuses sexually if my memory serves right, since he is so effeminate and such a "mommy's boy" that a lesbian like Rainbow couldn't help herself. If other reviews I have read are correct, because I haven't read that far into Spectrum yet, unlike when she abused Scootaloo, everyone thinks it's cute and adorable instead of disgusting and gross. I guess that as long they're blood related it's different somehow?

I'm surprised that Liliana still recognizes his existence, because this the second original character attached to her that you'd ever only find on full use on Stockholm. With Ascentia you still can find her on other works, but Spectrum was just used on that one.