Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

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I like how Lily ignores the part where Lilith takes half of the curse into her own body so she suffers the same way Eda does. What is character development??

I have never watched a single episode of owl house in my entire life but if you REALLY want to redeem yourself after cursing someone you gotta take the entire thing lol. "suffers the same way eda does" how about your victim doesnt suffer ANYTHING anymore and you take responsability for your actions?

I'm guessing 50shades-of-blue was kind of nodding along like "I see where you're coming from" until they got to I HATE REDEMPTION ARCSSSSSS! and checked the name. Alternatively the part where she says "the show remains focused on Luz", given that one of Lily's (80% chance of it being a joke) pieces of writing advice was that she hates it when the narrative focuses on other characters than the protagonists.

(The advice isn't necessarily bad because too many stories wind up drifting from the characters you started reading for and going off to explore characters the writer is interested in but the audience isn't... but it's rare that somebody will mention that specifically as a plus to the narrative. And then as a plus to the character. Basically it's one of Lily's fixations on storytelling that doesn't have anything to do with the character in question but it checks off something she uncritically likes therefore it's good.)

I've listened to video essays about things I'm not super familiar with plenty of times, and one of the things about those critiques is that they'll provide actual explanations and specifics about characters and moments. Even if I'm not really familiar with the source material as more than a passing curiosity, I understand why the essayist feels the way they do. I'm not familiar with Owl House, but I certainly understand character achetypes and storytelling and if you talk about why you like a character -- even in a context I'm not familiar with -- I should be able to figure out the broad strokes of what you like or dislike about them.

When I read Lily's list up there I don't know any of why she actually likes or dislikes the characters, and it almost reads like a third-grade level book report. "I like Luz because she has a good character arc and is really likeable! I especially like that the story is about her."

did lily really say that? i distinctively remember that in her writing tips thread she said that every single good book ever written had a pov shift
 
I have never watched a single episode of owl house in my entire life but if you REALLY want to redeem yourself after cursing someone you gotta take the entire thing lol. "suffers the same way eda does" how about your victim doesnt suffer ANYTHING anymore and you take responsability for your actions?



did lily really say that? i distinctively remember that in her writing tips thread she said that every single good book ever written had a pov shift
I'm not sure of the specifics, but I'm pretty sure Eda couldn't get rid of it altogether.
 
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You know if you take this post it kind of recontextualizes the whole comic for me.
How many stupid comic pages have just been Lily snapping her fingers at Mikail for more copium?
 
I have never watched a single episode of owl house in my entire life but if you REALLY want to redeem yourself after cursing someone you gotta take the entire thing lol. "suffers the same way eda does" how about your victim doesnt suffer ANYTHING anymore and you take responsability for your actions?
Well, it's not like Lilith didn't try to do that but the curse is too powerful to be taken over completely. But I wanna add to this that Lilith pretty much spent her whole life trying to make up for what she had done to her sister. She completely devoted herself to the Empire's Coven because the Emperor had gaslit her into believing that he could lift the curse.

I really haven't met anyone yet that said that Lilith was a bad character, hell, she's one of my faves. Jerry sucking things out of his ass again like every other day ending in y
 
Well, it's not like Lilith didn't try to do that but the curse is too powerful to be taken over completely. But I wanna add to this that Lilith pretty much spent her whole life trying to make up for what she had done to her sister. She completely devoted herself to the Empire's Coven because the Emperor had gaslit her into believing that he could lift the curse.

I really haven't met anyone yet that said that Lilith was a bad character, hell, she's one of my faves. Jerry sucking things out of his ass again like every other day ending in y
Cause Lilith is a character who did something unambigiously bad and is trying to make up for it
a.k.a. everything Lily hates in characters because acknowleding that she was wrong and did something bad is antithetical to her mindset that she is always the victim
Like that chapter in her Star Wars fanfic where we're supposed to sympathise with her self-insert after she commits genocide, because it made her feel bad to murder millions of innocent people.

Her only options are either to hate Lilith because redemption = bad
Or do it like with Zuko and pretend that it isn't a redemption because Lilith never did anything wrong in the first place
 
I have never watched a single episode of owl house in my entire life but if you REALLY want to redeem yourself after cursing someone you gotta take the entire thing lol. "suffers the same way eda does" how about your victim doesnt suffer ANYTHING anymore and you take responsability for your actions?
Lilith couldn't undo the curse, it was fixed to be permanent and share it with her was the only option left when she realized this. Plus take into account that Lilith was a literal child that felt jelous of her younger sister being better at everything when she did the spell and immediately regretted it as soon she saw the consequences of her actions. It was stupid? Certainly. But she was a stupid kid. Lilith later spend the rest of her life trying to keep Eda safe and looking for a way to cure her, even if that meant working for the bad guy who she didn't know were the bad guys because they were that world's version of the government. That was her entire motivation from the start so to say that her redemption came out of nowhere's absolutely wrong. The only reason Liliana doesn't consider her a female Zuko is because Lilith doesn't have a sad backstory where she was abused by someone else to make everything justifiable at her eyes. Her actions were motivated first by wounded ego as a kid and then for love of her sister, not revenge, and so Liliana can't project onto her nor understand her since she never experienced caring that much about anyone.

I just saw that someone else beat me at answering. Oh well.

To not be repeat: I feel so bad for Mikaila because you all know that Liliana'd never do anything like this for her if she was the one getting sick.
 
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Cause Lilith is a character who did something unambigiously bad and is trying to make up for it
a.k.a. everything Lily hates in characters because acknowleding that she was wrong and did something bad is antithetical to her mindset that she is always the victim
Like that chapter in her Star Wars fanfic where we're supposed to sympathise with her self-insert after she commits genocide, because it made her feel bad to murder millions of innocent people.

Her only options are either to hate Lilith because redemption = bad
Or do it like with Zuko and pretend that it isn't a redemption because Lilith never did anything wrong in the first place
The Zuko thing is especially bad because he's the direct descendant of someone who caused an actual genocide (and not just of animal-tier aliens like in certain other shows, I mean sapient individuals who can think and feel) and actively decides to pay back his family's debt by helping their last living survivor. It's a running theme with Lily: Any time there's change, she says it's either bad writing or flat out ignores it since she's incapable of changing herself for the better.
 
The Zuko thing is especially bad because he's the direct descendant of someone who caused an actual genocide (and not just of animal-tier aliens like in certain other shows, I mean sapient individuals who can think and feel) and actively decides to pay back his family's debt by helping their last living survivor. It's a running theme with Lily: Any time there's change, she says it's either bad writing or flat out ignores it since she's incapable of changing herself for the better.
Not to mention to bad things he did personally, like burning down the Kyoshi Island village, stealing from that Earth Kingdom doctor who took them in and helping Azula conquer Ba Sing Se and sending Sparky Sparky Boom Man to kill Aang. Zuko has more than enough things both big and small to feel a need to redeem himself personally.

Of course Lily is also of the opinion that being the victim of abuse instantly absolves you of all responsibility for anything you do to other people, but that's just part of her "I'm always the victim" mentality
 
Or do it like with Zuko and pretend that it isn't a redemption because Lilith never did anything wrong in the first place

Zuko conquered the capital of an entire country, held hostages, destroyed property, kidnapped, hired assassins and criminals, and attacked an untold amount of people if he didn't just sick cronies on them to begin with.

Sure, small potatoes next to the main villain, but Zuko wasn't a military general like Zhao was so his abhorrent actions from his tenure as a bad-guy are all 100% things he chose to do.

Jerry's piss-takes are usually missing the birds for the trees levels of ignorant, but I am convinced this argument he continues to make with characters like Zuko are instances of him genuinely lying to a cult-like audience in order to convince people he's right.
 
Zuko conquered the capital of an entire country, held hostages, destroyed property, kidnapped, hired assassins and criminals, and attacked an untold amount of people if he didn't just sick cronies on them to begin with.

Sure, small potatoes next to the main villain, but Zuko wasn't a military general like Zhao was so his abhorrent actions from his tenure as a bad-guy are all 100% things he chose to do.

But his dad was mean to him and Zuko couldn't just line his room with LEGOs so he basically had no choice. Zuko did nothing wrong.

(Can we also just briefly discuss that Lily's 'abuse victims can't be evil' viewpoint is completely dehumanizing, removes all agency from the victim, and defines them entirely by their victimhood? Just putting it out there, Lily!)


did lily really say that? i distinctively remember that in her writing tips thread she said that every single good book ever written had a pov shift
It's specifically in reference to the fact that she doesn't like stories that explore the antagonists in any capacity instead of only focusing on the main character(s):
(33) The protagonist should be a protagonist, not just a vessel for the antagonist to hog the story. If you're going to make a villain protagonist, just open with that.

The perspective one is actually the very next tip:
(34) Perspective shifts are a staple of storytelling. Having only one perspective isn't a "stylistic choice" it's just crap.
...and I always found this one kind of funny, especially now that I'm linking these two in my head..

Because Lily really doesn't like having a supplemental cast. In The Sith Resurgence, she only ever uses 'perspective shifts' in order to have other characters talk about how awesome Aliana is. The story never really involves them except in the sense that they look around, comment on how great Aliana is, and if she isn't the room ask "Where's Aliana?" So she holds very fast to making her protagonists the center of the universe (even though, in storytelling parlance, the antagonist is the force that actually sets the story in motion and forces the protagonists into action so if present it's generally pretty important to center the plot around them) while also paying lip service to the concept of 'shifting perspectives'.

Perspective shifts are alos especially funny because if you try and read her prose she cannot stick to a single perspective. And I don't mean that in a stylistic way, or she had scene breaks to look at other characters, I mean that she'll be discussing the thought processes of one character and then the next paragraph (or even next sentence within the same paragraph) start talking from the other character's perspective and active thoughts. And it's not done in a stylistic way, or through an omniscient narrator, because these lapses only happen occasionally (and generally to have Other Character talk about how amazing Inevitable Self-Insert is, or emphasize what a dick the other character is because they're thinking mean thoughts about Self Insert). They are extremely jarring and yank you real hard out of a style of prose that's already struggling to hold your attention.

In other words, it's not a stylistic choice, it's just crap.
 
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Animated shows also aren't MADE like that. A single episode takes twelve to eighteen months to produce, beginning to end, and most of them are made concurrent to each other. While there are sometimes remarkable real-world circumstances that cause parts of a cartoon to be changed (a number of shows had airings delayed by a month or so back in 2001 because they had to adjust some scenes in the wake of 9/11, for instance), a comprehensive change that has ramifications throughout the season simply isn't feasible unless it's done during the early production phases. And the early production phases are usually done before the previous season even starts airing.

You could actually see the problem with not waiting out production in Gravity Falls second season, where episodes were pretty much aired immediately after they came back from Korea. It was at times months between episodes airings and I think the crew had to fight Disney to make sure that Weirdmageddon was aired as a block rather than waiting for them to individually come back.

Lily seems to think that animated shows are made like sitcoms, where a whole episode can be produced in a single week if necessary, and can be more or less re-written on the fly if something isn't working with an audience in a major way. (South Park is also capable of doing this, but South Park's animation pipeline is... unique.)

Needless to say, no, that's... not how animation works. While it is possible to slot out scenes in a timely enough manner, given enough warning, they can't write out a character they had expected to use throughout a full season because fans responded badly at the start of the season. Although this makes me now imagine a show doing so by just having a giant hovering CENSOR bar over the offending character and replacing their dialogue with random soundboard noises while not changing anything else.

Really it's just exemplary of how Lily just talks out of her ass and pretends it makes her an authority. She hasn't actually done any research; she just makes assumptions based on her limited life experience and awareness and then that's just how the world works, even in spite of her being empirically, provably wrong.


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The Lily and Mikaila relationship weirds me out. It’s fucking freaky. They’re literally the same person except Mikaila is super goddamn passive about everything vs Lily’s constant raging. It’s like she’s dating her clone.
Do we have any internet backstory on her before meeting Lily?
youd think for a guy that has said before that they hate themself they wouldnt date someone thats exactly like them
 
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You know if you take this post it kind of recontextualizes the whole comic for me.
How many stupid comic pages have just been Lily snapping her fingers at Mikail for more copium?
Kinda fucked how that page refers to the Gardevoir as a "girlf", implying she's not hiding the fact that she wants the Gardevoir to be her girlfriend anymore.
Lily has a nasty case of vaccine sickness, so Marah took Bonnie to the playground while the girlfs took care of her.
 
Sorry for the slight delay, but more RPG project and some Among Us stream.
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This is a long one. The Mommy Kink saga supercut. Thanks, Devil :drink:

TLDW: Lily leans into being called Mommy but adamantly denies it's her kink.
With help from some person named Beetle, (Whoever they are they sound on the younger side 19-20 knowing how our girl likes um)
and chat Lily overstimulates herself falls into a fit of giggles thinking about being called Mommy for the later half of the stream.
 
But his dad was mean to him and Zuko couldn't just line his room with LEGOs so he basically had no choice. Zuko did nothing wrong.

(Can we also just briefly discuss that Lily's 'abuse victims can't be evil' viewpoint is completely dehumanizing, removes all agency from the victim, and defines them entirely by their victimhood? Just putting it out there, Lily!)



It's specifically in reference to the fact that she doesn't like stories that explore the antagonists in any capacity instead of only focusing on the main character(s):


The perspective one is actually the very next tip:

...and I always found this one kind of funny, especially now that I'm linking these two in my head..

Because Lily really doesn't like having a supplemental cast. In The Sith Resurgence, she only ever uses 'perspective shifts' in order to have other characters talk about how awesome Aliana is. The story never really involves them except in the sense that they look around, comment on how great Aliana is, and if she isn't the room ask "Where's Aliana?" So she holds very fast to making her protagonists the center of the universe (even though, in storytelling parlance, the antagonist is the force that actually sets the story in motion and forces the protagonists into action so if present it's generally pretty important to center the plot around them) while also paying lip service to the concept of 'shifting perspectives'.

Perspective shifts are alos especially funny because if you try and read her prose she cannot stick to a single perspective. And I don't mean that in a stylistic way, or she had scene breaks to look at other characters, I mean that she'll be discussing the thought processes of one character and then the next paragraph (or even next sentence within the same paragraph) start talking from the other character's perspective and active thoughts. And it's not done in a stylistic way, or through an omniscient narrator, because these lapses only happen occasionally (and generally to have Other Character talk about how amazing Inevitable Self-Insert is, or emphasize what a dick the other character is because they're thinking mean thoughts about Self Insert). They are extremely jarring and yank you real hard out of a style of prose that's already struggling to hold your attention.

In other words, it's not a stylistic choice, it's just crap.
That's different because that tweet was just rehashing her gripes with Steven Universe, that she considered took way too much time concentrating on the literal titular character instead of all the lesbians that she could have seen fucking. That was also a point that she made on her video, that she stole from Robobuddies almost word for word without giving proper credit. It wasn't even an original thought of hers in the first place, just another reason to hate on a show she already decided didn't like and that she kept doubling down on purely because people told her it was stupid.

She's basically praising Owl House for doing the exact same reason Steven Universe did but it's fine since Owl House's the one she likes.

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Liliana purposely miscontrued their message in order to make her response a final argument and then ignored the rest. I know, it's a small and stupid thing, but exactly because it's a small thing it shows to me how comfortable Liliana's manipulating the narrative, how easy's for her. If she manipulates people about the small things, it's valid to question if she could manipulate for bigger things and we already know that's the case thanks to Lizzy's testimony.
 

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Steven Universe's head writers are also the guys who went on to make Craig of the Creek. Is this recent? How does she not know this.
 
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Hasn’t Lily said multiple times that it’s be beastiality if she dated G? Are there screenshots of this, or am I misremembering?
I'll get back to you on that one. That's a whole can of worms.
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Okay so the posts are sparse but I found a few that might relate:
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https://archive.md/BdRYV (archive isn't formatted properly)
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(an entry on the wiki which states that pokemon are illegally trafficked into sex slavery)
In essence he has made several posts about why the dynamic between her comic counterpart and Gardevoir is canonically illegal, because not only is it poke-beastiality, but Gardevoirs can't properly consent since they are technically under the bondage of ownership. You know like slaves.
 
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Steven Universe's head writers are also the guys who went on to make Craig of the Creek. Is this recent? How does she not know this.
You know how Lily is. Full of pride but empty as the void. At this point she's yelling at the clouds. Because she only watch things she's interested, nothing more.
That's why she gonna never be succesful in the artistic way, but we know about the human part.
 
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