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[AnOminous]

I disagree. Blaire would direct attention to JONATHAN YANIV. I hope Blaire takes this on.

Miranda Yardley (a well-known UK transsexual) named JY twice, 12/25 and 12/29. That allowed Mumsnet to resume discussion of JONATHAN YANIV nearly two months after Mumsnet admins had nuked prior discussion.

The current thread is here: https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens...dley-calls-out-the-predator?messages=100&pg=1

Not archive.is friendly, so look as long as it is up.

Use the via.hypothes.is method.

https://via.hypothes.is/https://www...dley-calls-out-the-predator?messages=100&pg=1
http://archive.vn/stm7T

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

disagree. Blaire would direct attention to JONATHAN YANIV. I hope Blaire takes this on.

Miranda Yardley (a well-known UK transsexual) named JY twice, 12/25 and 12/29. That allowed Mumsnet to resume discussion of JONATHAN YANIV nearly two months after Mumsnet admins had nuked prior discussion.

The current thread is here: https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens...dley-calls-out-the-predator?messages=100&pg=1

Not archive.is friendly, so look as long as it is up.

Use the via.hypothes.is method.

Also saved in the internet archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20190102...dley-calls-out-the-predator?messages=100&pg=1

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

People talk about this shit on Twitter now. They organize on Twitter now when they want to take action. Any trans person who tries to speak out about it on Twitter will be banned from Twitter because of powers that are opaque to any outside influence. What's to be done?

A lot of SJW twitter knows shit is fucked up, I optimistically believe. They also know they have created a monster where if they speak out they will be swallowed up before anyone can hear their call to action. Everyone is muzzled because they don't want to be thrown on the pile with the deplorables and terfs.

That requires a level of self awareness that these people simply do not have.

 

[Bani]

That requires a level of self awareness that these people simply do not have.

No, I think @Arachnomatricide might be right here. No one is more inclined towards intra-community witch-hunts than SJWs on Twitter/Tumblr. The vocal minority may be vehementy against any restraint when it comes to "protecting" trans people, but most people, even SJWs, have a threshold for this sort of stuff. For instance, the infighting between transmedicalists and transtrenders is evidence that there are SJWs who are able to draw the line.

Tumblr was my main platform for many years, and I am pretty confident that SJW-ism has already peaked and is on the decline. There was a point about four or five years ago where shit was really out of control and people truly had zero self-awareness. Now, most of that crowd, while they still belong to the same overall school of thought, have become more critical, likely as a result of growing up.

People being afraid to speak up for fear of backlash from their own communities is a very real thing. It is common for SJWs to equate "seldom" to "never" to silence and invalidate people who bring up their fear of transgender rights being abused. Yes, guys like Yaniv are not very common in the greater scheme of these things, but that doesn't make it a non-issue; there still need to be systems in place to prevent perverts from exploiting a well-meaning system.

Personally, I think that you have to be required to either legally change your name or at least partially transition before filing these sorts of "discrimination" suits, and that services pertaining to the handling of genitalia (like waxing, piercing, etc) should automatically be exempt.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

People being afraid to speak up for fear of backlash from their own communities is a very real thing. It is common for SJWs to equate "seldom" to "never" to silence and invalidate people who bring up their fear of transgender rights being abused. Yes, guys like Yaniv are not very common in the greater scheme of these things, but that doesn't make it a non-issue; there still need to be systems in place to prevent perverts from exploiting a well-meaning system.

This is exactly right.

Consider welfare case workers, who honestly right now in the US are trying to make do for a lot of people with intractable problems who don't qualify for other social programs, for one reason or another. They're social work bachelor's degree holders, bleeding hearts almost every single one, and they'd be the first to tell you that they believe abuses of the welfare system are a small percentage of the overall population seeking help. They usually find your cousin's story about the woman buying lobster with food stamps distasteful, and they have a lot to say about the tendency of middle-class people to assume the worst about aid recipients.

What I'm trying to say is, while a few of them become hardasses because of abuses they see, most of them are broadly very sympathetic to aid seekers.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find any of them who think there should be zero checks on welfare fraud, and that people should be able to come in and declare themselves living in poverty with nothing to prove hardship.

You can be incredibly sympathetic toward a general population of people, and still want to make sure there's a mechanism by which frauds can be uncovered, or blatant system abusers can be reported.

 

[Kate Farms Shill]

People under any other circumstances are going to want some proof that the person is for real and not taking advantage of others. We often rely on other people to vet it for us, but the proof is still needed at some point. Your appendix bursts, you're not going to ask the ER surgeon were he went to medical school, but you're going to have the reassurance that before the hospital hired them they went through at least medical school and a residency. Fuck it, my job is basically to make rich people feel important-er and they still expect me to prove I am what I say I am.

People were mostly fine with oldschool transsexuals of the Miranda Yardley variety because they didn't screech that no one could ever question or criticize them.

 

[Rabid Weasels]

What is the purpose of reopening the case if awarding costs is off the table?

And also, what was the purpose of the original case? I realize that what he wanted was to just get $ through settlements, but what would the tribunal actually have done if they found in his favor? I don't understand what it has the authority to do. Assess a fine on the defendant? Restitution? Forced ball touching?

 

[gobbogobb]

What is the purpose of reopening the case if awarding costs is off the table?

And also, what was the purpose of the original case? I realize that what he wanted was to just get $ through settlements, but what would the tribunal actually have done if they found in his favor? I don't understand what it has the authority to do. Assess a fine on the defendant? Restitution? Forced ball touching?

Sounds like the salon wants to out yaniv and win damn the costs. I don't live in hockeyland though so this kangaroo Court shit doesn't make any real sense.

 

[Cato]

What is the purpose of reopening the case if awarding costs is off the table?

And also, what was the purpose of the original case? I realize that what he wanted was to just get $ through settlements, but what would the tribunal actually have done if they found in his favor? I don't understand what it has the authority to do. Assess a fine on the defendant? Restitution? Forced ball touching?

Among other remedies, the tribunal can order subjects of complaint to pay "compensation" (including for "injury to dignity, feelings and self respect") to the complainant. This is distinct from the issue of them not awarding costs (barring improper conduct), and is why the tribunal is outrageous in the degree to which it stacks everything in the complainant's favour.

More info here:
http://www.bchrt.bc.ca/human-rights-duties/remedies/index.htm
http://www.bchrt.bc.ca/human-rights-duties/remedies/compensation/index.htm

 

[Kamov Ka-52]

Among other remedies, the tribunal can order subjects of complaint to pay "compensation" (including for "injury to dignity, feelings and self respect") to the complainant.

How broadly are those defined, and how did nobody see how this could be abused?

 

[neverendingmidi]

How broadly are those defined, and how did nobody see how this could be abused?

That’s a feature, not a bug.

 

[Cato]

How broadly are those defined, and how did nobody see how this could be abused?

That’s a feature, not a bug.

The tribunal literally explicitly states that making someone feel sad or angry falls within the scope of it.

Effect on complainant
The Tribunal also considers how the discrimination affected the complainant. This includes:

• Feelings (such as sadness, anger)
• Details (such as crying, losing confidence)
• Health (such as losing appetite, can't sleep, depression)
• How often and how long? (for example, crying each day for first month and sadness for 1 year)
• Medical information (such as a psychologist's report)

Medical evidence is not required but it can help prove health effects. It can be important if the health effects are serious, such as long-term depression.

So...pretty broad.

 

[waxmykiwis]

How broadly are those defined, and how did nobody see how this could be abused?

The abuse of those tribunals in Canada has been going on for a long time. They were the principal weapon used against Vancouver Rape Relief by Morgane Oger and pals (a troon with boundary issues wanted to work as a rape crisis counsellor. VRR said no. 13 years and 100K of legal costs later they are still being attacked for transphobia and businesses are being boycotted for raising funds for them. A rape crisis centre.)

I also read a case from 1999 of a lesbian collective that admitted a transwoman. The transwoman started showing up at the centre before it opened, refusing to leave when it closed, receiving mail there, sexually harassing the lesbians, and something or other about accessing private areas and reading confidential information on the computers. There was a big argument and the transwoman was asked to leave the collective. She took the case to the Human Rights Tribunal and got awarded $3K compensation. I don't understand why Canadians have let this insanity go on for so long.

 

[OttoWest]

Seems like all this story needs to hit the mainstream is for some Doug Ford type to grab hold and red meat the hell out of it. It is an election year in Canada after all.

 

[Cato]

The abuse of those tribunals in Canada has been going on for a long time. They were the principal weapon used against Vancouver Rape Relief by Morgane Oger and pals (a troon with boundary issues wanted to work as a rape crisis counsellor. VRR said no. 13 years and 100K of legal costs later they are still being attacked for transphobia and businesses are being boycotted for raising funds for them. A rape crisis centre.)

I also read a case from 1999 of a lesbian collective that admitted a transwoman. The transwoman started showing up at the centre before it opened, refusing to leave when it closed, receiving mail there, sexually harassing the lesbians, and something or other about accessing private areas and reading confidential information on the computers. There was a big argument and the transwoman was asked to leave the collective. She took the case to the Human Rights Tribunal and got awarded $3K compensation. I don't understand why Canadians have let this insanity go on for so long.

I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but one of the cases that got significant attention and was particularly enraging was that Ezra Levant's decision to publish the Jyllands-Posten Mohammad cartoons in his magazine (the Western Standard) drew an Alberta Human Rights Commission complaint from a Muslim, resulting in a two year investigation which cost Alberta taxpayers over half a million dollars and Levant and his magazine over $100,000 in legal fees before being dismissed (and again, the complaint just had to fill out a form for free to make it all happen).

This was a decade ago now and Canadians still can't be bothered to care and do anything about this BS.

 

[AnOminous]

This is distinct from the issue of them not awarding costs (barring improper conduct), and is why the tribunal is outrageous in the degree to which it stacks everything in the complainant's favour.

If you were literally to design a bogus tribunal to be a mockery of due process and openly encourage people to file frivolous complaints solely for the purposes of harassment, you'd design it exactly like this. They were told this when they created this bullshit entity, and they went and did it anyway.

 

[Cato]

If you were literally to design a bogus tribunal to be a mockery of due process and openly encourage people to file frivolous complaints solely for the purposes of harassment, you'd design it exactly like this. They were told this when they created this bullshit entity, and they went and did it anyway.

When you think about it, given popular attitudes and beliefs of millennial college students currently, the Canadian Parliament was really ahead of their time in passing the bullshit Canada Human Rights Act creating the tribunal system way back in 1977.

 

[gobbogobb]

It's perfect for redistribution of wealth. You gotta admit it.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

It's perfect for redistribution of wealth. You gotta admit it.

...to lawyers?

 

[AnOminous]

...to lawyers?

Worse. The taxpayer pays for all this bullshit and the harasser gets to rev up the government harassment machine for free.