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[AbraCadaver]

If the internet is supposed to be like physical space in any way, then hanging out on Kiwi Farms is the equivalent of hanging out at a rude, "anything goes" comedy club with an open mic and a lot of insult comedy, sharing a few drinks and laughs with a group of regulars and frequent newcomers.

Being in a venue like that doesn't mean you endorse the views of every comedian there. If someone starts making jokes that offend you, you don't have to leave, you could heckle, or you could get onstage and tell your own jokes about whatever offensive shit you believe, or you could just sit stonily silent through the set and wait for the next guy to talk.

Would that venue be worth unpersoning every attendee from? I can't see this kind of thing taking place over attendance of real-world events with the breadth of focal scope seen here. It's only the internet that makes people draw these weird lines in the sand.

Extremely this. I’m a feminist, and I don’t agree with a lot of opinions posted here, but I’m still here because I’m tired of everywhere else becoming echo chambers itching to cast out members for the slightest hint of wrong-think, while simultaneously awarding can-do-no-wrong saintly status to anyone who claims the most oppression points, allowing people like Yaniv to run roughshod over the very safe spaces meant to protect from people like him.

Also, confronting opinions and phrases here that I find offensive was jarring at first, but overall I think it’s necessary for us to do so, instead of sealing ourselves off in airtight hugboxes.

And I’ve seen comments, ten times worse than any kiwi post, all OVER Youtube, and yt doesn’t seem in a hurry to delete them. So I guess all these angry offended people need to abandon their youtube accounts in protest? Nah, course not. That would be inconvenient.

 

[2nd_time_user]

The fact that YT isn't knocking people out for yaniv but twitter is balls to the walls gives me a few thoughts:

1. all of twitter's censorship around the issue seems to be fully manual
2. with ad revenue on YT a much bigger concern VS the uselessness of individual twitter accounts to the bottom line, people who care about money aren't involved yet, UNLESS
3. Ogre has been throwing political weight around behind the scenes to scare low-middle level managers into performing the requisite censorship

Lindsay Shepherd suggests in her video that (3) is most likely. We have Oger's screenshots showing he reported Yaniv-related Tweets, and Shepherd, who went to Meghan Murphy's talk, reports that Oger's contingent clapped when Murphy addressed her permaban on Twitter with Yaniv taking credit before Langley Township Council. "A discrimination victim whose identity remains protected by the provincial government was violated. Signed, or cc Morgane Oger, VP of the ruling party." Most managers shrug and hit the ban hammer.

As to (2), Twitter monetizes by placing ads, and with 666K followers, Graham Linehan is large enough for Twitter to think twice. Twitter has shown him leeway that smaller followers don't get, but even Linehan mused about being banned over JY and then briefly locked his account a couple days ago. I doubt Twitter would consider banning US celebrities or major journalists over the ad dollars and the poor optics.

Tl;dr: In order, I think (3) and (2) are happening with if not (1), then an easily pushed manual override button.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

Also, confronting opinions and phrases here that I find offensive was jarring at first, but overall I think it’s necessary for us to do so, instead of sealing ourselves off in airtight hugboxes.

I believe that sort of thing is necessary as well. Learning how to confront and deal with things we don't like or agree with is essential to growing as a human being. If you're not being pushed out of your comfort zone and grappling with stuff that discomforts you, you stagnate and become unreasoning and inflexible in your thinking.

That's the reason I refuse to identify with the American left, even though my opinions tend to skew in that direction; they're increasingly fixated on this ideological fascism that demands you never ever disagree with them or say anything negative or controversial, because someone's feelings might be hurt. That's not how you advance the cause of humanity, that's how you produce thin-skinned drones with no critical thinking skills and no capacity for handling dissent in a reasonable way.

I know someone who is a third-wave feminist and very hard-left politically, who once told me she doesn't form her opinion on issues until she sees what the people she likes are saying on Twitter. I've seen her repost stuff from whichever Woke Brigade member is being loudest at the moment, only to later repost something that contradicts the earlier posts once someone else starts yelling louder about how that other person was wrong. She's a very sweet woman, and I know she means well, but she's a textbook example of the dangers of sealing yourself into an ideological echo chamber.

 

[norbo]

Welp, my experiment was a success.

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It seems like Jonathan only has real connections beyond a single department at YT. The only thing hes managed to do on YT is false DMCA strike videos. I think @VictorPinkie experiment is evidence enough of this.

1. all of twitter's censorship around the issue seems to be fully manual
2. with ad revenue on YT a much bigger concern VS the uselessness of individual twitter accounts to the bottom line, people who care about money aren't involved yet, UNLESS
3. Ogre has been throwing political weight around behind the scenes to scare low-middle level managers into performing the requisite censorship

Twitter has always had manual censorship. It's just assisted by bots. At least that's what I've been under the impression of for years. If you report those insane CP accounts on there, it takes twitter sometimes 2+ weeks to remove them. Longest I remember being told they took was 5 weeks.

I'm willing to be he doesn't even know that many people. I'd be willing to bet its one person on the review team for DMCA's and then one person at twitter who is perhaps some kind of manager or higher level person given the level and number of people who can get removed as quickly as they do. Someone where the abuse will get ignored.

I found this in search:

Jonathan Yaniv messages underage girls about pads - YouTube
clicking on this link will direct you to the accounts jonathan yaniv has contacted, his messages are frightening and hard to read, and there are photos of young children uploaded onto the accounts

The video was already down. The search query for the link was edited out within the past couple hours: https://www.google.com/search?q=6047294690+ask.fm

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This is someone in eighth grade.

Dunno if any of the archiving for what was mentioned was done, but just in case I'll get those ask.fm's. The video is gone.

Archives of Jonathan asking young girls to text him below. In one he actually states he looked up her address.

Spoiler

https://archive.li/vyLpx
https://archive.li/T7A9z (full page copy screenshot)
https://archive.fo/E94Zj (this nigga is straight creepy af)
https://archive.li/Ikas2
https://archive.li/qMfuF
http://archive.fo/qMfuF
http://archive.fo/TF2JJ

There's more but its mostly the same creepy ass shit over and over.

Better Business Bureau has a release from him where he is a recommended media contact.
http://archive.fo/5zTjG

Again, I'm sure someone else already got em.

 

[AbraCadaver]

I believe that sort of thing is necessary as well. Learning how to confront and deal with things we don't like or agree with is essential to growing as a human being. If you're not being pushed out of your comfort zone and grappling with stuff that discomforts you, you stagnate and become unreasoning and inflexible in your thinking.

That's the reason I refuse to identify with the American left, even though my opinions tend to skew in that direction; they're increasingly fixated on this ideological fascism that demands you never ever disagree with them or say anything negative or controversial, because someone's feelings might be hurt. That's not how you advance the cause of humanity, that's how you produce thin-skinned drones with no critical thinking skills and no capacity for handling dissent in a reasonable way.

I know someone who is a third-wave feminist and very hard-left politically, who once told me she doesn't form her opinion on issues until she sees what the people she likes are saying on Twitter. I've seen her repost stuff from whichever Woke Brigade member is being loudest at the moment, only to later repost something that contradicts the earlier posts once someone else starts yelling louder about how that other person was wrong. She's a very sweet woman, and I know she means well, but she's a textbook example of the dangers of sealing yourself into an ideological echo chamber.

Same all over. I care a lot about people’s rights to their own personal and cultural identities, but the current wave of “stop hurting my fee-fees” is frustrating me.

I knew a girl in school who once told me that she didn’t have to hear about or look at anything unpleasant if she didn’t want to, which is why she never watched the news. When I told her that eventually she would be confronted with bad or unpleasant news at some point in her life, she just violently shook her head and insisted she didn’t have to look at it. The current crop of tumblrinas always brings her to mind for me.

 

[BallBuster]

They just permanently suspended my account for "hateful conduct" for calling him a pedophile. Dude's got some crazy pull over there.

Sorry to hear that man. It’s crazy. I’m trying something though. I’m calling him out but not using any pronouns and just saying predator rather than pedophile. Let’s see what happens.

 

[Questionable Ceviche]

Extremely this. I’m a feminist, and I don’t agree with a lot of opinions posted here, but I’m still here because I’m tired of everywhere else becoming echo chambers itching to cast out members for the slightest hint of wrong-think, while simultaneously awarding can-do-no-wrong saintly status to anyone who claims the most oppression points, allowing people like Yaniv to run roughshod over the very safe spaces meant to protect from people like him.

Also, confronting opinions and phrases here that I find offensive was jarring at first, but overall I think it’s necessary for us to do so, instead of sealing ourselves off in airtight hugboxes.

And I’ve seen comments, ten times worse than any kiwi post, all OVER Youtube, and yt doesn’t seem in a hurry to delete them. So I guess all these angry offended people need to abandon their youtube accounts in protest? Nah, course not. That would be inconvenient.

Yaniv would have never been able to get so far and have access to so many potential victims without the constant threat of banishment and retaliation hanging over the head of anyone who felt uncomfortable with a grown man talking about wanting to insert tampons into 12 year olds. That shit on Facebook where he just causally happened to have sex toys in the background of photos was fucking gross, too. He specifically sought out a group that was likely to contain underage girls to post his sex toys in.

So many cows on this site are able to exist specifically because the left has created an overarching political and cultural climate that silences legitimate criticism of predatory or otherwise unacceptable behavior. The moral panic about gender party oppression trumps the loss of space spaces for women, children, and LGBT people. The progressive movement as a whole is unable to take out their trash. We're living in a bizzare time when men are claiming to be women in order to sexually harass and degrade real women, and it's somehow unacceptable to speak out about it.

 

[Trig.Point]

Jonathan Yaniv seems to be running out of friends. Morgane Oger the vice Chair of the British Columbia New Democratic Party, was supporting him with #waxmyballs. She gradually moved onto denying she had ever met JY in person. Now she's posted this in reply to one of the numerous tweets she's gotten detailing his pedophilia.

 

[August16]

They just permanently suspended my account for "hateful conduct" for calling him a pedophile. Dude's got some crazy pull over there.

What if your name is Jonathan Yaniv, but you just happen to be someone with the same name (truly and honestly)?

Homonyms, we call 'em in french.

Would they ban you? That's insane.

 

[norbo]

Can someone get me Morgane Oger's name prior to the transition? I got some spicions.

EDIT: Nvm Found it
http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/morgane-oger-embraces-her-trans-identity/ (archive)

"Being different from the boys"

Nigga you gay.

 

[moocow]

Sorry to hear that man. It’s crazy. I’m trying something though. I’m calling him out but not using any pronouns and just saying predator rather than pedophile. Let’s see what happens.

That's what I was doing as well. They suspended me three times in total for calling him out, and in the last two posts I made sure not to "misgender" him (it delights me that Chrome's spell checker triggers on "misgender" btw). In fact, the third post deliberately used "ñ" instead of a regular "n" in the name to avoid Twitter's obviously-automated banning of mentions of his name. Yaniv, Oger or a fellow supporter had to have flagged it by hand.

Twitter's excuse for the ban was "hateful behavior" and "encouraging violence." They specifically cited that as their reason to deny the appeal I sent. The post literally just called Yaniv a pedophile and nothing else. They're not even trying to be subtle about sticking up for him. @August16 is right. It's insane.

 

[damian]

Can someone get me Morgane Oger's name prior to the transition? I got some spicions.

Ronan Oger, here's his thread btw:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/morgane-oger-ronan-oger.39595/

 

[norbo]

I should have guessed he already had a thread.

 

[BallBuster]

That's what I was doing as well. They suspended me three times in total for calling him out, and in the last two posts I made sure not to "misgender" him (it delights me that Chrome's spell checker triggers on "misgender" btw). In fact, the third post deliberately used "ñ" instead of a regular "n" in the name to avoid Twitter's obviously-automated banning of mentions of his name. Yaniv, Oger or a fellow supporter had to have flagged it by hand.

Twitter's excuse for the ban was "hateful behavior" and "encouraging violence." They specifically cited that as their reason to deny the appeal I sent. The post literally just called Yaniv a pedophile and nothing else. They're not even trying to be subtle about sticking up for him. @August16 is right. It's insane.

I invited him out to debate me. I made the the post as non threatening as possible. No hate speech or pronouns. Only used his last name. I’m expecting another suspension. Lol.

 

[2nd_time_user]

Jonathan Yaniv seems to be running out of friends. Morgane Oger the vice Chair of the British Columbia New Democratic Party, was supporting him with #waxmyballs. She gradually moved onto denying she had ever met JY in person. Now she's posted this in reply to one of the numerous tweets she's gotten detailing his pedophilia.

Oger's still doubling down on Yaniv.

On Nov. 20, Oger Tweeted that the screenshots "had no place on social media" and were "alarming." As of this month, Oger claimed screenshots are not credible as they're on "social media and hate sites" and tells citizens to contact authorities if they do have "credible" evidence. In this case, he tells the latest angry grandma to take it up with social media moderators. Meanwhile, she's posted numerous screenshots, she's named Yaniv, she calls him a man along with a #crazyasshole. Oger will take it up with Twitter mods himself or be cc'd when Yaniv does it.

ETA: Jessicayaniv.org has made the front page of DDG when searching on "Jonathan Yaniv." Jonathanyaniv.org is on Page 1 of startpage.com.

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

Jonathan Yaniv seems to be running out of friends. Morgane Oger the vice Chair of the British Columbia New Democratic Party, was supporting him with #waxmyballs. She gradually moved onto denying she had ever met JY in person. Now she's posted this in reply to one of the numerous tweets she's gotten detailing his pedophilia.

I don't think that means that Oger is backtracking on his stance for yaniv; his strategy so far has been to refuse to acknowledge that JY from the Human Rights Tribunal complaints is in fact Jonathan Yaniv. I think her response in your post is just "Mmmm creeping on little girls is bad, mmmkay?" rather than "Jonathan Yaniv is creeping on girls". I'm quoting @2nd_time_user since their post better reflects how dodgy Oger is on actually addressing the Yaniv situation.

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Oger's still doubling down on Yaniv.

On Nov. 20, Oger Tweeted that the screenshots "had no place on social media" and were "alarming." As of this month, Oger claimed screenshots are not credible as they're on "social media and hate sites" and tells citizens to contact authorities if they do have "credible" evidence. In this case, he tells the latest angry grandma to take it up with social media moderators. Meanwhile, she's posted numerous screenshots, she's named Yaniv, she calls him a man along with a #crazyasshole. Oger will take it up with Twitter mods himself or be cc'd when Yaniv does it.

ETA: Jessicayaniv.org has made the front page of DDG when searching on "Jonathan Yaniv." Jonathanyaniv.org is on Page 1 of startpage.com.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

Has anyone been banned for "Jessica Yaniv she her female" or something along those lines? I don't have a twitter and apparently account registration now requires a working phone number so looks like I won't be going back anytime soon or i'd try it myself.

I wonder that too. And what happens if you shit talk Yaniv but call him a woman? I mean, Louise's thread calling him a creep has been up since November..

https://twitter.com/l_ou_ise/status/1061395533141606402?lang=en

 

[2nd_time_user]

I wonder that too. And what happens if you shit talk Yaniv but call him a woman? I mean, Louise's thread calling him a creep has been up since November..

https://twitter.com/l_ou_ise/status/1061395533141606402?lang=en

Louise preambled with how she's a trans ally. Same as this psychologist. I think it's that plus verbal jujitsu:

Dr. Alicia Hendley‏ @AliciaMHendley 33m33 minutes ago
@biz Hi. Be advised, as you suspend anyone who questions #JonathanYaniv re potentially illegal activities, that governmental officials in Canada have taken notice. Stop banning. This is NOT a trans issue. Start paying attention to alarming behavior re kids. #thecompanyyoukeep

See what she did there?

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

Louise preambled with how she's a trans ally. Same as this psychologist. I think it's that plus verbal jujitsu:

Dr. Alicia Hendley‏ @AliciaMHendley 33m33 minutes ago
@biz Hi. Be advised, as you suspend anyone who questions #JonathanYaniv re potentially illegal activities, that governmental officials in Canada have taken notice. Stop banning. This is NOT a trans issue. Start paying attention to alarming behavior re kids. #thecompanyyoukeep

See what she did there?

That suggests they ban people who misgender trannies and not just people who call JY a sick fuck.

The best way to spread the news about Jonathan on twitter might be to act like a trans ally and call him a lady.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

That suggests they ban people who misgender trannies and not just people who call JY a sick fuck.

The best way to spread the news about Jonathan on twitter might be to act like a trans ally and call him a lady.

It'd be interesting to find people who didn't 'misgender and/or dead name' Yaniv and didn't use his pictures and still got banned.

Because there's a fair chance that those people exist - at this point social media seem to have decided to protect him at all costs.