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2nd_time_user said:
Here's what JY is using IG for http://archive.li/xljOc
The unmitigated glee on his face...it's really like a 4-year-old. A deranged one. ETA: For people who can't play audio rn, he's pretending the horse is Blaire White and asking the horse what it thinks about trans rights and LGBT rights while the horse is trying to eat.

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I don’t even understand what the diss is here. Is he saying Blaire looks like a horse? Because horses are not generally considered to be particularly ugly animals, and Blaire doesn’t really have the Sarah Jessica Parker look.
 
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I'm not sure how I feel about those Rebel videos. They look like they're just stirring the nest. The first one, with the woman reporter, it started clean and then Yaniv blew a fuse and started being agressive and the mom joined in.

But now, they know he's going to react like this and they know he won't reply to their questions and just run away. At this point, trying to push Yaniv to answer always results in Yaniv throwing fits. Baiting Yaniv into hitting them in order to sue or get him in trouble with the law is somewhat similar to Yaniv baiting wax salons to refuse to wax him then suing. But on the other hand, it's nice to see him get a taste of his own medicine, seeing him get it done to himself.

The human tribunal one was a bit better, but these guys are now allowed to discuss those cases regardless of what they think, so it's redundant, it leads nowhere. But otherwise they bring good information, such as the statement that "there is a public interest in seeing the issue resolved"

It's good that there is coverage from whatever media, keeps Yaniv on his toes. I want this to continue. But, I think it could be done smarter. They have to stay one step ahead, so that Yaniv will engage them and sink himself further, or be able to get more information on him without having to engage him, à la WGKitty.
 
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August16 said:
But now, they know he's going to react like this and they know he won't reply to their questions and just run away. At this point, trying to push Yaniv to answer always results in Yaniv throwing fits. Baiting Yaniv into hitting them in order to sue or get him in trouble with the law is somewhat similar to Yaniv baiting wax salons to refuse to wax him then suing. But on the other hand, it's nice to see him get a taste of his own medicine, seeing him get it done to himself.
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I'd honestly be OK if they sent in David Menzies with a US football helmet, pads and boxing gloves so he could take a few cane hits and then deck Yaniv with a right hook on the grounds of self defence.

I mean this would not be journalism but I'd still watch it. You could call it Full Contact Journalism of Footballournalism or something.

Funny thing is there was a guy called Roger Cook in the UK who specialised in confronting crooks who'd often beat him up.
 
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I'd honestly be OK if they sent in David Menzies with a US football helmet, pads and boxing gloves so he could take a few cane hits and then deck Yaniv with a right hook on the grounds of self defence.

I mean this would not be journalism but I'd still watch it. You could call it Full Contact Journalism of Footballournalism or something.

Funny thing is there was a guy called Roger Cook in the UK who specialised in confronting crooks who'd often beat him up.
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Menzies with a selfie stick against the cane... touche
 
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August16 said:
I'm not sure how I feel about those Rebel videos. They look like they're just stirring the nest. The first one, with the woman reporter, it started clean and then Yaniv blew a fuse and started being agressive and the mom joined in.

But now, they know he's going to react like this and they know he won't reply to their questions and just run away. At this point, trying to push Yaniv to answer always results in Yaniv throwing fits. Baiting Yaniv into hitting them in order to sue or get him in trouble with the law is somewhat similar to Yaniv baiting wax salons to refuse to wax him then suing. But on the other hand, it's nice to see him get a taste of his own medicine, seeing him get it done to himself.

The human tribunal one was a bit better, but these guys are now allowed to discuss those cases regardless of what they think, so it's redundant, it leads nowhere. But otherwise they bring good information, such as the statement that "there is a public interest in seeing the issue resolved"

It's good that there is coverage from whatever media, keeps Yaniv on his toes. I want this to continue. But, I think it could be done smarter. They have to stay one step ahead, so that Yaniv will engage them and sink himself further, or be able to get more information on him without having to engage him, à la WGKitty.
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Disagree. Whenever anyone becomes a person of public fame or infamy, it is routine--at least in the states--for reporters and paparazzi to camp out in front of that person's house and follow them around. The subject doesn't get to pick and choose who it is. And the routine response of the subject is to keep his head down, shake no comment, and get into their vehicle and drive away, or their house and shut the door.

JY had taken that option, but then chose to re-engage with Mama Yaniv to physically beat this reporter. You may disagree with the Rebel's tabloid approach, but this standing without challenge is a terrible precedent for all professional journalists. I hope Ezra does decide to file suit on them both. Not only would that uphold principle, but the discovery process could yield discoverable details as to whether JY needed a cane or any mobility assistance in the first place.
 
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2nd_time_user said:
Disagree. Whenever anyone becomes a person of public fame or infamy, it is routine--at least in the states--for reporters and paparazzi to camp out in front of that person's house and follow them around. The subject doesn't get to pick and choose who it is. And the routine response of the subject is to keep his head down, shake no comment, and get into their vehicle and drive away, or their house and shut the door.

JY had taken that option, but then chose to re-engage with Mama Yaniv to physically beat this reporter. You may disagree with the Rebel's tabloid approach, but this standing without challenge is a terrible precedent for all professional journalists. I hope Ezra does decide to file suit on them both. Not only would that uphold principle, but the discovery process could yield discoverable details as to whether JY needed a cane or any mobility assistance in the first place.
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You may disagree with the Rebel's tabloid approach, but this standing without challenge is a terrible precedent for all professional journalists
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Oh I totally get this, which is why I said "I'm not sure how I feel about it". There is some value in doing the above, but there are also downsides. Like Yaniv may eventually decide to really shut down and cut all info sources, though that would be surprising (and sunk cost fallacy dictates that he continues his crusade until the end).

It's really telling they went out and tried to engage the guy again.

I personally think pure Paparazzi/follow notorious people until you can't anymore because they go somewhere that you can't enter is kinda counterproductive to information gathering. That's because I'm more interested in people being asked embarrassing questions and embarrassing themselves through trying to justify the unjustifiable than seeing them chimp out. I like to see them put on the spot, their nose in their own shit.

But I understand that there are other good things that can come out of that kind of tabloid type journalism. And being able to do this kind of journalism is very important. This must not be impeded.

I hope Ezra does decide to file suit on them both.
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Edit - indeed, he went back and engaged the guy to cane him. He intended to use this to claim victimship, and he was supposed to walk away the first time.
 
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August16 said:
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Oh I totally get this, which is why I said "I'm not sure how I feel about it". There is some value in doing the above, but there are also downsides. Like Yaniv may eventually decide to really shut down and cut all info sources, though that would be surprising (and sunk cost fallacy dictates that he continues his crusade until the end).

It's really telling they went out and tried to engage the guy again.

I personally think pure Paparazzi/follow notorious people until you can't anymore because they go somewhere that you can't enter is kinda counterproductive to information gathering. That's because I'm more interested in people being asked embarrassing questions and embarrassing themselves than seeing them chimp out. But I understand that there are other good things that can come out of that kind of tabloid type journalism.

And being able to do this kind of journalism is very important. This must not be impeded.



Not sure how this works but maybe someone @AnOminous can help. Anyone else can pitch in, too. The question is: If you go around following someone and trying to engage them while they say "no, no, go away", and then they decide to attack you to make you leave, who is at fault? I understand that you cannot hit people in any circumstance except when people are actively hitting you to make them stop. On the other hand, the journalist knows that if he keeps doing this, Yaniv will eventually get violent, and he could leave the situation. Could this be used against the journalist? There's also the fact that Miriam went and engaged the journalist again when he left. She should have stayed inside instead of putting oil on the fire.
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No matter, no one is to blame for the Yanivs' behaviour except the Yanivs themselves, regardless of their claims of 'harassment'. Their physical safety wasn't under any threat, they weren't defending themselves, he caned an unarmed bloke. If the Yanivs can't ignore and go about their business without lashing out at every Tom, Dick or Harry then they shouldn't be out on the streets.

If it were an isolated incident they could be given the benefit of the doubt by many but it seems that's what they're both about - they don't like something, they simply scream and attack.
 
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August16 said:
Oh I totally get this, which is why I said "I'm not sure how I feel about it". There is some value in doing the above, but there are also downsides. Like Yaniv may eventually decide to really shut down and cut all info sources, though that would be surprising (and sunk cost fallacy dictates that he continues his crusade until the end).

It's really telling they went out and tried to engage the guy again.

I personally think pure Paparazzi/follow notorious people until you can't anymore because they go somewhere that you can't enter is kinda counterproductive to information gathering. But I understand that there are other good things that can come out of that kind of tabloid type journalism.



Not sure how this works but maybe someone @AnOminous can help. Anyone else can pitch in, too. The question is: If you go around following someone and trying to engage them while they say "no, no, go away", and then they decide to attack you to make you leave, who is at fault? I understand that you cannot hit people in any circumstance except when people are actively hitting you to make them stop. On the other hand, the journalist knows that if he keeps doing this, Yaniv will eventually get violent, and he could leave the situation. Could this be used against the journalist? There's also the fact that Miriam went and engaged the journalist again when he left. She should have stayed inside instead of putting oil on the fire.
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In most states, disorderly conduct includes verbal conduct, though some codify that "use of fighting words" (usually profanity or slurs) be used. The person being baited is absolutely supposed to walk away even if the other party is hitting on their gf, calling them a fag/nigger what have you. They can walk away to the PD and report that conduct. Instigating physical contact is technically assault, and depending on the force used back and the reasons, that can be defined as self-defense (only the instigator goes to jail) or mutual combat (both parties go to jail). Even in a self-defense situation, you are expected to stop when a reasonable person would ascertain that the other party is no longer a threat.

For example, Marty Rathbun (an ex-Scientologist who attempted to start his own church) was doxed and discovered by Scientologists who then set up a "documentary" crew outside his house for six weeks. Marty, tired of the siege and the cameras, one day grabbed one of the Scientologist's sunglasses and threw them on the ground. Police were called, and Marty was arrested.
 
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The horse wants nothing to do with this bullshite.
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Horses hate people that act weird the way JY does. People who aren't quite right. Drunk people, etc. He will approach the wrong one at some point and it will make its displeasure known.

Please continue visiting JY. Horses break their social conditioning much more easily than teenage girls. Can't think of anyone who deserves to be pinned into a wall or have a hoof print etched into their face more.
 
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Sevenatenine said:
Horses hate people that act weird the way JY does. People who aren't quite right. Drunk people, etc. He will approach the wrong one at some point and it will make its displeasure known.

Please continue visiting JY. Horses break their social conditioning much more easily than teenage girls. Can't think of anyone who deserves to be pinned into a wall or have a hoof print etched into their face more.
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And who will s/he sue when that happens?
 
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Oh, that will be delicious. Horse owners are required to carry liability insurance (when you bring your horse to a public place, anyway.)

While the insurance is supplied by a Canadian company it is very... American...insurance. If you get hurt by a horse, they WILL discover that you are at fault and ought reasonably have been fully aware of the risks.
 
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