Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

[millais]

Nobody mentioned yet that he supposedly covers all the walls of his house with Soviet propaganda posters so that he will never forget about the crimes of Leninism and Stalinism

Spoiler: photos of his house interior

Surely I am not the only one who thinks this is a very eccentric reason for doing your interior design like an antifa tankie fanboy. If it's real vintage historical prints and not modern reproductions, I can at least understand there could be an art investment or history buff angle to it, but they look like modern prints to me.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Nobody mentioned yet that he supposedly covers all the walls of his house with Soviet propaganda posters so that he will never forget about the crimes of Leninism and Stalinism

Spoiler: photos of his house interior

Surely I am not the only one who thinks this is a very eccentric reason for doing your interior design like an antifa tankie fanboy. If it's real vintage historical prints and not modern reproductions, I can at least understand there could be an art investment or history buff angle to it, but they look like modern prints to me.

He also named his daughter after Gorbachev. The only people I can think of who are more obsessed with the USSR than he is are actual Communists.

Count me in for thinking this needs to be a thread. The fact that people think a guy who cries over Disney movies is one of the leading philosophers of our age says a hell of a lot about the age, doesn't it?

(His interpretation of Pinocchio is absolute bullshit, too, but that's another story.)

 

[lowkey]

His interpretation of Pinocchio is absolute bullshit, too, but that's another story.

Bit of a segway, but I'm curious if you could enlighten me.

 

[TheImportantFart]

We're on page 4. How has nobody posted this cringy as fuck comic some fart huffing fan drew about him?:

 

[Chaos Theorist]

We're on page 4. How has nobody posted this cringy as fuck comic some fart huffing fan drew about him?:

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Is that a jojo reference?

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Bit of a segway, but I'm curious if you could enlighten me.

Someone made a Twitter post about how Peterson talks about how folktales and the meanings that go back in them, but he only knows the Disney versions. This, as far as I know, is pretty much correct.

Literally everything he's said about Pinocchio reveals he's only familiar with the Disney film, not the book by Carlo Collodi. The Disney film is not a folktale. It is an interpretation of Collodi's book that reflects what Walt Disney wanted to do with the story. For that matter, Collodi's original Pinocchio is not a folktale either. It's a literary fairy tale that doesn't reflect any deeper meaning but that which the author wanted to impart.

I could sum it up as, "Don't look for deeper meaning in Disney films," but I don't want to go too in deep right now. Maybe later.

Peterson is definitely not someone who has ever actually studied or even read actual folktales, though. I can tell you that.

(There was an interview out there where the interviewer baited Peterson by saying "Why Frozen, but not The Little Mermaid?" - Peterson clearly being more sympathetic to the latter, unaware that both were based on stories written by one man: H.C. Andersen.)

 

[Danskjaevel]

Surely I am not the only one who thinks this is a very eccentric reason for doing your interior design like an antifa tankie fanboy. If it's real vintage historical prints and not modern reproductions, I can at least understand there could be an art investment or history buff angle to it, but they look like modern prints to me.

I remembered this clip from the H3 podcast where he talked about his massive Soviet art collection:

In it he explains that his thing for Soviet art is partially due to simply appreciating the art (although "98 percent of it is garbage"), on the other hand due to the "battle" he sees between the art and its message (propaganda) and on yet another because of his obsession with totalitarianism. He did also mention that it helps him "remember the atrocities" associated with the Soviet Union, like you said.

The paintings are originals (not sure if all of them?), he talks about the Lenin painting in the picture you posted at 1:46 in the clip.

I think his reasoning is a bit strange, but at least he doesn't collect the stuff just as "reminders" of sorts.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Peterson's not the only one that I've seen that has a thing for Soviet/Communist art while hating them. It's not as irregular as you might think.

His interpretations of folktales and disney films are pretty laughable.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Soviet Art and Communist propaganda looks fucking rad as shit. I'd love to see people do cool American spins on the style.

 

[lowkey]

Someone made a Twitter post about how Peterson talks about how folktales and the meanings that go back in them, but he only knows the Disney versions. This, as far as I know, is pretty much correct.

Literally everything he's said about Pinocchio reveals he's only familiar with the Disney film, not the book by Carlo Collodi. The Disney film is not a folktale. It is an interpretation of Collodi's book that reflects what Walt Disney wanted to do with the story. For that matter, Collodi's original Pinocchio is not a folktale either. It's a literary fairy tale that doesn't reflect any deeper meaning but that which the author wanted to impart.

I could sum it up as, "Don't look for deeper meaning in Disney films," but I don't want to go too in deep right now. Maybe later.

Peterson is definitely not someone who has ever actually studied or even read actual folktales, though. I can tell you that.

(There was an interview out there where the interviewer baited Peterson by saying "Why Frozen, but not The Little Mermaid?" - Peterson clearly being more sympathetic to the latter, unaware that both were based on stories written by one man: H.C. Andersen.)

Thanks, though I've read the original fairy tale Frozen is based on; the stories are nothing alike.

The little mermaid is the same story except the ending.

However I have never read the original pinocchio, so that would be interesting to read, thanks.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Thanks, though I've read the original fairy tale Frozen is based on; the stories are nothing alike.

The little mermaid is the same story except the ending.

However I have never read the original pinocchio, so that would be interesting to read, thanks.

You should try to read the original Pinocchio. It really puts into perspective why Peterson's take on the movie is absolute crap.

 

[Puddleduck]

Someone made a Twitter post about how Peterson talks about how folktales and the meanings that go back in them, but he only knows the Disney versions. This, as far as I know, is pretty much correct.

I'm pretty sure he only uses the Disney versions as everyone knows them, so using them as illustrative examples would make sense to everyone?

Edit: Pinocchio isn't even a folktale, the book was less than 100 years old when Disney released their movie, so it was about as much of a folktale then as Lord of the Rings is now.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I'm pretty sure he only uses the Disney versions as everyone knows them, so using them as illustrative examples would make sense to everyone?

Edit: Pinocchio isn't even a folktale, the book was less than 100 years old when Disney released their movie, so it was about as much of a folktale then as Lord of the Rings is now.

Well, if you're using them to illustrate the deep values that are in the stories, as Peterson does, perhaps don't use the versions that were adapted to serve a mid-20th century American audience.

In fact, that's another thing about Peterson that shows he's no expert on folktales. He talks about the deep, timeless values that are in the stories - the values that just so happen to agree with his worldview - but as most people who study folktales will tell you, they're easily adaptable to fit any set of values. The Grimms, after all, rewrote a lot of the fairy tales they collected to get rid of things that didn't agree with the values of the early 19th-century Germans who were buying their book.

 

[scathefire]

I think the problem is that a lot of people want to put him on a massive pedestal as some hypergenius who has the answers to everything ever. If people have been genuinely helped by what he has to say, then I don't really want to judge them too hard. Maybe I'm wrong, but he doesn't seem to have perfect social skills either, which is definitely a bad thing when you've suddenly become this massive and thus intensely scrutinized public figure.

Don't know, maybe he has some degree of autism, which would also make sense if you consider the all-encompassing obsession with totalitarianism. And I honestly do think that he introduced some things into the discourse regarding the modern social justice movement that people hadn't fully taken into consideration before.

His arguments and what he tends to say about them are often excruciatingly nuanced and really hard to make sense of on their own. So when you see clips of him being like "the post-modern neo-marxist radical left is destroying the western world" it's probably one of the stupidest things you've ever heard. It's like, if your points are that complex and weird and then you decide to sum it up in a way that sounds like Alex Jones out of context, people will come away thinking you're fucking retarde/d. But I don't think that he can perceive that very well tbh.

 

[lowkey]

I love theorizing about things, but there's no sign of Peterson having autism, no matter how exceptional he might otherwise be. He has chronic depression and that's a far simpler explanation for obsessing over totalitarianism.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Oh my god that Peterson manga... the cringe is real.

Well, if you're using them to illustrate the deep values that are in the stories, as Peterson does, perhaps don't use the versions that were adapted to serve a mid-20th century American audience.

In fact, that's another thing about Peterson that shows he's no expert on folktales. He talks about the deep, timeless values that are in the stories - the values that just so happen to agree with his worldview - but as most people who study folktales will tell you, they're easily adaptable to fit any set of values. The Grimms, after all, rewrote a lot of the fairy tales they collected to get rid of things that didn't agree with the values of the early 19th-century Germans who were buying their book.

Which is an important point. I'm far from an expert on folk tales, but listening to stuff like the Myths and Legends podcast really tells you how many VERSIONS of folktales there are. Those old folktales can have drastically different endings or moral lessons in them. There's often not just one version of a folktale.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

If anyone still doubts that Peterson is a lolcow, I invite you to watch this video of him in tears over the apparent lack of respect for 'individualism':

 

[lowkey]

If anyone still doubts that Peterson is a lolcow, I invite you to watch this video of him in tears over the apparent lack of respect for 'individualism':

Those comments, though....

 

[BeanBidan]

Nobody mentioned yet that he supposedly covers all the walls of his house with Soviet propaganda posters so that he will never forget about the crimes of Leninism and Stalinism

Spoiler: photos of his house interior

Surely I am not the only one who thinks this is a very eccentric reason for doing your interior design like an antifa tankie fanboy. If it's real vintage historical prints and not modern reproductions, I can at least understand there could be an art investment or history buff angle to it, but they look like modern prints to me.

And you'd be right.

 

[whathefuckman]

I neither like or dislike the professor and he is definitely self-aware, but his motivations leave one with questions.

He's a big hypocrite too or at least contradicts himself on certain topics.