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Jury acquits 2 men accused in Michigan Gov. Whitmer kidnapping plot, deadlocks on 2 others​

Jurors said they couldn't agree on verdicts again Adam Fox and Barry Croft Jr.​

Louis CasianoApril 8, 2022 2:33pm EDT

Two of four men were acquitted Friday in a conspiracy to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer in 2020, motivated by fury at the Democrat’s tough COVID-19 restrictions early in the pandemic.

The jury’s verdicts against Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta were read in the federal court in Grand Rapids, Michigan, in the case presided over by U.S. District Judge Robert Jonker. Jurors said they couldn’t agree on verdicts again Adam Fox and Barry Croft Jr. Prosecutors described Fox as a ringleader of an anti-government group.

Earlier in the day, the jurors said that there are several counts which the deliberative body are deadlocked on. Testimony began on March 9.

"It is not unusual to come back somewhere along the line of deliberations and say 'we tried, but couldn’t get there,'" Judge Robert Jonker said, according to Detroit News. "At least not on everything."

TRIAL RESUME FOR 4 MEN ACCUSED OF MICHIGAN GOVERNOR PLOT

Jonker encouraged the jurors to continue deliberations in hopes of reaching a unanimous decision, saying, "Before that’s the final answer, I would like you to go back and make another effort to see if you can come to an agreement on issues you are stuck on as a group."

Fox, Croft and Harris faced additional charges. The two most serious charges, kidnapping conspiracy and conspiracy to use explosives, both carry potential life sentences.

The trial has lasted over 20 days as the public awaits the final decision on defendants Barry Croft, Adam Fox, Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta. Prosecutors say they turned their anger toward government in 2020 into a plot to kidnap Whitmer because of the restrictions she imposed during the early months of the pandemic.

FILE - This combination of photos provided by the Kent County Sheriff and the Delaware Department of Justice shows, top row from left, Brandon Caserta and Barry Croft; and bottom row from left, Adam Dean Fox and Daniel Harris. The four members of anti-government groups are facing trial in March 2022 on federal charges accusing them in a plot to abduct Michigan's Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer in 2020.

FILE - This combination of photos provided by the Kent County Sheriff and the Delaware Department of Justice shows, top row from left, Brandon Caserta and Barry Croft; and bottom row from left, Adam Dean Fox and Daniel Harris. The four members of anti-government groups are facing trial in March 2022 on federal charges accusing them in a plot to abduct Michigan's Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer in 2020. (Kent County Sheriff, Delaware Department of Justice via AP File)
Defense lawyers claim informants and undercover agents improperly influenced the men.

Whitmer, a Democrat who is seeking reelection, rarely talks publicly about the case. She has blamed former President Donald Trump for fomenting anger over coronavirus restrictions and refusing to condemn right-wing extremists like those charged in the case. She has said Trump was complicit in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer visits Ford Bronco off-road track during the Motor Bella 2021 auto show in Pontiac, Michigan, Sept. 21, 2021.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer visits Ford Bronco off-road track during the Motor Bella 2021 auto show in Pontiac, Michigan, Sept. 21, 2021. (REUTERS/Rebecca Cook)
A man upset over state-ordered coronavirus restrictions was sentenced to just over six years in prison last year after admitting to involvement in the plot – a significant break that reflected his quick decision to cooperate and help agents build cases against others.

Ty Garbin admitted his role in the alleged scheme weeks after his arrest last fall. He is among six mencharged in federal court but the only one to plead guilty so far. It was a key victory for prosecutors as they try to prove an astonishing plot against the others.

Garbin apologized to Whitmer, who was not in court, and her family.
 
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kcbbq said:
That's not how it works. You aren't guilty of something just because files are charged. You aren't guilty until you are found unanimously guilty. A deadlocked jury doesn't mean they're guilty.

I hate to use the phrase, but you're pretty much boot-licking here. The feds didn't do their job correctly if these guys actually did anything wrong.
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Oh fuck off.

2 plead guilty.

2 not guilty.

2 Mistrial.

The 2 fuckers will be probably be retried. Probably. If the jury was deadlocked there is clearly more than a fucking sniff of horseshit about them. Don't play the card that these guys were innocent - they aren't. The 2 that plead out plead out for a good reason. Obviously there are degrees of involvement which is why the 6 are not all facing equal scrutiny.

Don't take the mistrial as some sign that these punks are free and clear - far from it to make that call.

And moreover, don't take that 2 were found not guilty means 2 plead out that were ACTUALLy Innocent - because they weren't.
 
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Menotaur said:
Don't play the card that these guys were innocent - they aren't.
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The Feds planned it, paid for it, got everyone together, convinced everyone to try to kill her (later changed to a kidnaping), but yeah, all is good. Feds only did literally every step of the kidnapping hoax.
 
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kcbbq said:
That's not how it works. You aren't guilty of something just because files are charged. You aren't guilty until you are found unanimously guilty. A deadlocked jury doesn't mean they're guilty.
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You can always count on @Menotaur to have a really stupid take on the story of the day.
 
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Menotaur said:
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Oh fuck off.

2 plead guilty.

2 not guilty.

2 Mistrial.

The 2 fuckers will be probably be retried. Probably. If the jury was deadlocked there is clearly more than a fucking sniff of horseshit about them. Don't play the card that these guys were innocent - they aren't. The 2 that plead out plead out for a good reason. Obviously there are degrees of involvement which is why the 6 are not all facing equal scrutiny.

Don't take the mistrial as some sign that these punks are free and clear - far from it to make that call.

And moreover, don't take that 2 were found not guilty means 2 plead out that were ACTUALLy Innocent - because they weren't.
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They took plea deals because they're idiots who fell for the fed's scare tactics the same way they fell for the fed's entrapment scheme.

Now they get to sit in cages for years like mutts at the pound and contemplate their idiocy as two of the guys they ratted on fly away free as birds.

The two guys who were acquitted were NOT GUILTY.

That's what acquitted means- not guilty.
 
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Karl der Grosse said:
You can always count on @Menotaur to have a really stupid take on the story of the day.
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Yeah, well I'm the guy who - when asked - has called the result of every trial discussed on this forum for the last 2 years bang on. Go ahead and check my thread record.

Thats just a fact. Time stamped and checked. I never jumped in on this one because frankly, it is a bit boring - it wouldn't have been boring if they had actually committed the kidnapping which I found disappointing.
 
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Menotaur said:
Yeah, well I'm the guy who - when asked - has called the result of every trial discussed on this forum for the last 2 years bang on. Go ahead and check my thread record.

Thats just a fact. Time stamped and checked. I never jumped in on this one because frankly, it is a bit boring - it wouldn't have been boring if they had actually committed the kidnapping which I found disappointing.
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How would they have committed a kidnapping when the whole thing was some fed-orchestrated bullshit from day 1?

That's like saying the To Catch a Predator stings would be a lot less boring if the pedoforks had actually raped the fictitious bait minor.
 
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Menotaur said:
The 2 fuckers will be probably be retried. Probably. If the jury was deadlocked there is clearly more than a fucking sniff of horseshit about them. Don't play the card that these guys were innocent - they aren't. The 2 that plead out plead out for a good reason. Obviously there are degrees of involvement which is why the 6 are not all facing equal scrutiny.

Don't take the mistrial as some sign that these punks are free and clear - far from it to make that call.
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And those two sentences right there is the reason why your opinion is worthless.
 
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Menotaur said:
The 2 fuckers will be probably be retried. Probably. If the jury was deadlocked there is clearly more than a fucking sniff of horseshit about them. Don't play the card that these guys were innocent - they aren't. The 2 that plead out plead out for a good reason. Obviously there are degrees of involvement which is why the 6 are not all facing equal scrutiny.
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The four who were tried all faced more scrutiny than the two who took plea deals. But the scrutiny was public, and the government's evidence was scrutinized as well. That's why they got off.
 
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Helium Bubble said:
Whitmer stated. "There must be accountability and consequences for those who commit heinous crimes. Without accountability, extremists will be emboldened."

Well the jury said the two of them didn't commit any crimes, heinous or otherwise, so...
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Without the accountability of possible acquittal, tyrannical governments will be emboldened as well.... to skip the whole procedure and presumption and everything and just go straight to the jailing..... A trial IS accountability - where you are told to make your best case and see if it sticks. If it doesn't, your case was not compelling at best and a fabrication at worst.

Justice is the process of the trial, not the outcome.

Never forget, their idea of "accountability" is "you do what we say".
 
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Menotaur said:
If the jury thought the 2 who were found not guilty, not guilty then chances are high they simply were close to the kidnapping scheme but not guilty.
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Two acquittals and two hung juries for a serious crime makes me think that the feds had too much of a heavy hand in their plot and basically pressured the guys to go though with a crime they wouldn't have done if not for the feds intervention.
 
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Two acquittals and two hung juries for a serious crime makes me think that the feds had too much of a heavy hand in their plot and basically pressured the guys to go though with a crime they wouldn't have done if not for the feds intervention.
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Here is another, much more informative, article about what happened:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...chigan-gov-whitmer-kidnapping-trial-rcna22516 Pull quotes:

The panel in Grand Rapids considered charges against Daniel Harris, 24, Adam Fox, 38, Barry Croft Jr., 46, and Brandon Caserta, 33, all charged with conspiracy.
All but Caserta are also charged with knowingly conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction against persons or property, in an alleged plot to slow responding police.
Croft and Harris were also charged with possession of an unregistered destructive device. Harris was charged with possession of a semi-automatic assault rifle that wasn't registered to him.
Harris was found not guilty of all four charges, but jurors could not reach verdicts in charges against Fox and Croft. The judge declared a mistrial in those counts.
Caserta was found not guilty of conspiracy.

Emphasis mine. One could make an argument that Caserta was peripheral to whatever plot existed, but not Harris, if you go by the charges (and you kinda have to). This gormless dipshit:

apnews.com

Witness: Whitmer kidnapping aimed at stopping Biden win

A man who pleaded guilty to planning a kidnapping of Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer told jurors Wednesday that he and his allies wanted to attack before the 2020 election to prevent Joe Biden from winning the presidency.
apnews.com apnews.com

named Fox as the 'ringleader', so that's probably why the jury hung on him.

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Whoever had the Detroit Free Press on the top of their Let's Try To Dox The Jury For Voting Incorrectly card, please step up and claim your winnings:

www.freep.com

Whitmer kidnap plot trial: What we know about jurors deciding historic verdict

Several Up North folks are jurors in the Whitmer kidnap plot case. Here's who is deciding this historic case.
www.freep.com
 
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Oxous said:
FBI ain't what it used to be these days. 30 years ago you could kill a bunch of "white supremacists" and burn their house down, now you can't even convict them with a friendly jury. Smh
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You can fool some of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of time. The FBI burned alot of its credibility during the Trump years and all the glow ops they've been up too for the last 40 years have entered public consciousness.
 
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