Just what are autistic identity issues? Why does that make them susceptible to gender ideology? - Something about autism makes them have a "different sense of identity." What is that difference?

[Wormy]

Mental illness does not deserve lauding or praise.

 

[NerdShamer]

Accountability also means personal responsibility and owning up to your faults. Most of these new age Autistic™ individuals confuse this with entitlement and try their hardest to make it look like they’re the real victims.

Are you sure that some of it isn't partially true? Because I can routinely cite redditors complaining about how overwhelmed they are or that they've never learned anything useful...While having internet access.

 

[No Game No Sonichu]

This is a really fascinating concept, and while not autistic myself, I do see how one could get pushed towards being transgender. Its more acceptable/common exposure would encourage someone who is autistic to do that. But again its more likely a case-by-case basis. Correlation is not causation.

Honestly, I think this happens because hearing those ideas and following through with them only happens because you were predisposed to accept those concepts in the first place.

 

[doodoocaca]

This is a really fascinating concept, and while not autistic myself, I do see how one could get pushed towards being transgender. Its more acceptable/common exposure would encourage someone who is autistic to do that. But again its more likely a case-by-case basis. Correlation is not causation.

Honestly, I think this happens because hearing those ideas and following through with them only happens because you were predisposed to accept those concepts in the first place.

If thousands of cases-by-their-individual-case form a mode, that sure is something

If they're susceptible, that raises the issues of what other kinds of manipulation they're susceptible to and how to protect them.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Autistic people often have anxiety issues. One aspect of anxiety is this trippy thing called derealization. It's basically feeling like you're actual self is floating outside your body. Nothing in the world feels real and every interaction you have feels like you're in a video game. Everything is so far yet close at the same time.

Being in this state from an early age makes it hard to grasp who you are.

 

[doodoocaca]

Looks more like a constructed identity problem, which is really just another angle of looking at how they're socialized to behave based on the expectations set (or not) and platitudes they hear. No essential difference for the thing doing the experiencing, just the situation they find themselves in.

Because of their disability, they seek to avoid trouble and social exhaustion, quickly find out "Oh, if I call myself this and dress and act like that, I get even lower standards and more attention", quickly get love bombed into clinging to it, and the horror begins again.

Huh.

 

[Ozul]

I knew a lady who has an autistic daughter who came out as a fakeboi around the age of 15.
The mom's reasoning is that "autistic people are very self aware and more in tune with themselves," as the reasoning for a lot of autists trooning out.
I think it's because autists feel like outsiders and they equate that to being in the "wrong body." Plus when you come out as an alphabet people you get an instant community and tons of support. A lot of autistic people have main character syndrome so this added spotlight and feeling of importance only adds to their narrative.

 

[GenericEdgelordSupreme]

I knew a lady who has an autistic daughter who came out as a fakeboi around the age of 15.
The mom's reasoning is that "autistic people are very self aware and more in tune with themselves," as the reasoning for a lot of autists trooning out.
I think it's because autists feel like outsiders and they equate that to being in the "wrong body." Plus when you come out as an alphabet people you get an instant community and tons of support. A lot of autistic people have main character syndrome so this added spotlight and feeling of importance only adds to their narrative.

Everyone is the main character in their own life. I suppose it makes sense that an innate difficulty empathizing plus a lack of effort towards learning about empathy would make them feel like the only "main character." They think of life like it's a single player RPG when really it's like an MMO. (Plus, if the main character is a tranny, it's a shitty game/movie/whatever.)

 

[doodoocaca]

Yeah, instant attention, a hugbox, and lovebombs are hard to turn away from if you haven't had positive attention and acceptance before, or you're a teenage girl who wants as much as you can get anyway.

I do hope fakeboi doesn't get on chemicals or under a knife and get fucked up, but here we go.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

It could be that they place less importance on gender roles than other people, but at the same time, they're acutely aware of the importance that other people place on gender roles, and so they think they need to troon out in order to fit in. That's what I always thought, though other people have given better explanations in this thread.

Would it derail the thread too much to discuss the possibility that autism could also make them susceptible to holding intense transphobic beliefs? Or admitting openly that they hate the very concept of transgenderism?

Because as far as I can see, there's no middle ground for autistic people. Either they are openly transphobic, or they troon out themselves.

 

[doodoocaca]

Once autists make their minds up they're very stubborn.

One might say they're autistic about it.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Once autists make their minds up they're very stubborn.

One might say they're autistic about it.

Trying to appease a narcissistic troon is exhausting enough already.

Imagine an autistic person (one that already made up their mind about the fact that transgenderism is false and bad and harmful) trying to do so.

I do know that was the case for me. Even as a lolbertarian, I decided that transgenderism was inherently authoritarian and therefore incompatible with a free society. I tried to be "polite" to troons for a short period of time, but it never, EVER works out.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Would it derail the thread too much to discuss the possibility that autism could also make them susceptible to holding intense transphobic beliefs? Or admitting openly that they hate the very concept of transgenderism?

Because as far as I can see, there's no middle ground for autistic people. Either they are openly transphobic, or they troon out themselves.

Kiwi Farms: A Safe Space for Autists

 

[doodoocaca]

Trying to appease a narcissistic troon is exhausting enough already.

Imagine an autistic person (one that already made up their mind about the fact that transgenderism is false and bad and harmful) trying to do so.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

All the users here have made great points, but another thing I want emphasize is how overly accepting gender special groups are. One of the hardest part about being autistic is finding a friend group. This is a problem because many overly welcoming groups that attract autists are filled with gender specials like furries, anime, video/tabletop games, and maintream meme communities. This gives troons easy access to awkward vulnerable young people that they can pressure into trooning out though:

1. Bias confirmation by pointing out an autist's gender atypical interests as evidence of being trans.
2. Positive reinforcement for trooning out is absolutely devastating to lonely people.

Kiwi Farms: A Safe Space for Autists

Well we do have a normie filter built right into the community.

 

[Overcast]

As a sperg growing up, during middle school, I felt insecure in my masculinity due to me being a late bloomer. I also had trouble controlling the pitch of my voice and a girl asked me why I sounded like a girl.

It got to the point where the idea of getting a sex change operation bounced around my head. Deep down, I knew would never go through with something like that, and when I told my tutor about this, she told me, "Don't be silly!" with a big smile on her face. Pretty much confirming what I felt deep down.

Throughout my life, while I knew I was a man, I had a hard time feeling like I was a good enough kind of man. If that makes any sense.

Then the whole transgendered movement became a thing and I couldn't help but feel horrified. Somehow, I dodged a bullet, but at the same time, there are now boys who are in the same position as I was who were taken super seriously and being groomed into this sort of thing. So many people now have forgone the fact that puberty is a confusing and scary time for everyone and forced their fundamentally flawed ideology on those who's brains aren't even developed enough to make those kinds of decisions.

So yeah, I agree that autism plays a factor here.

Because as far as I can see, there's no middle ground for autistic people. Either they are openly transphobic, or they troon out themselves.

For me, it's hard to find a middle ground when it comes to transgenderism. To me, it's a concept that's inherently evil and goes against God's design for us as human beings. It destroys people's reproductive abilities, it destroys the family unit and it causes one to become socially isolated from everyone else. Including other trans people, as many of them either leave their victims high and dry after the fact or cannibalize each other if they ever disagree with each other on something. They inevitably end up alone.

It provides no benefit to society, it helps no one, and only serves to hurt others.

I don't see that as "transphobic" as many people call it. A phobia is a fear of something that's otherwise normal. Like spiders. Transgenderism isn't normal. It is a byproduct of a broken society and a lack of community. Calling it out for what it is is simply speaking the truth.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

As a sperg growing up, during middle school, I felt insecure in my masculinity due to me being a late bloomer. I also had trouble controlling the pitch of my voice and a girl asked me why I sounded like a girl.

It got to the point where the idea of getting a sex change operation bounced around my head. Deep down, I knew would never go through with something like that, and when I told my tutor about this, she told me, "Don't be silly!" with a big smile on her face. Pretty much confirming what I felt deep down.

Throughout my life, while I knew I was a man, I had a hard time feeling like I was a good enough kind of man. If that makes any sense.

Then the whole transgendered movement became a thing and I couldn't help but feel horrified. Somehow, I dodged a bullet, but at the same time, there are now boys who are in the same position as I was who were taken super seriously and being groomed into this sort of thing. So many people now have forgone the fact that puberty is a confusing and scary time for everyone and forced their fundamentally flawed ideology on those who's brains aren't even developed enough to make those kinds of decisions.

So yeah, I agree that autism plays a factor here.


For me, it's hard to find a middle ground when it comes to transgenderism. To me, it's a concept that's inherently evil and goes against God's design for us as human beings. It destroys people's reproductive abilities, it destroys the family unit and it causes one to become socially isolated from everyone else. Including other trans people, as many of them either leave their victims high and dry after the fact or cannibalize each other if they ever disagree with each other on something. They inevitably end up alone.

It provides no benefit to society, it helps no one, and only serves to hurt others.

I don't see that as "transphobic" as many people call it. A phobia is a fear of something that's otherwise normal. Like spiders. Transgenderism isn't normal. It is a byproduct of a broken society and a lack of community. Calling it out for what it is is simply speaking the truth.

Your experience mirrors mine, except that I was probably even more dead-set against a sex change than you were, was only vaguely aware that it existed. Even had people pretend to be gay around me because they loved getting a rise from me because sexual topics and jokes made me extremely uncomfortable, being a sheltered kid.

Indeed, one shouldn't find a middle ground when it comes to troonism. "Transphobia" is a perfectly reasonable attitude to hold no matter where you are on the political spectrum.

 

[GenericEdgelordSupreme]

As a sperg growing up, during middle school, I felt insecure in my masculinity due to me being a late bloomer. I also had trouble controlling the pitch of my voice and a girl asked me why I sounded like a girl.

It got to the point where the idea of getting a sex change operation bounced around my head. Deep down, I knew would never go through with something like that, and when I told my tutor about this, she told me, "Don't be silly!" with a big smile on her face. Pretty much confirming what I felt deep down.

Throughout my life, while I knew I was a man, I had a hard time feeling like I was a good enough kind of man. If that makes any sense.

Then the whole transgendered movement became a thing and I couldn't help but feel horrified. Somehow, I dodged a bullet, but at the same time, there are now boys who are in the same position as I was who were taken super seriously and being groomed into this sort of thing. So many people now have forgone the fact that puberty is a confusing and scary time for everyone and forced their fundamentally flawed ideology on those who's brains aren't even developed enough to make those kinds of decisions.

So yeah, I agree that autism plays a factor here.


For me, it's hard to find a middle ground when it comes to transgenderism. To me, it's a concept that's inherently evil and goes against God's design for us as human beings. It destroys people's reproductive abilities, it destroys the family unit and it causes one to become socially isolated from everyone else. Including other trans people, as many of them either leave their victims high and dry after the fact or cannibalize each other if they ever disagree with each other on something. They inevitably end up alone.

It provides no benefit to society, it helps no one, and only serves to hurt others.

I don't see that as "transphobic" as many people call it. A phobia is a fear of something that's otherwise normal. Like spiders. Transgenderism isn't normal. It is a byproduct of a broken society and a lack of community. Calling it out for what it is is simply speaking the truth.

Your experience mirrors mine, except that I was probably even more dead-set against a sex change than you were, was only vaguely aware that it existed. Even had people pretend to be gay around me because they loved getting a rise from me because sexual topics and jokes made me extremely uncomfortable, being a sheltered kid.

Indeed, one shouldn't find a middle ground when it comes to troonism. "Transphobia" is a perfectly reasonable attitude to hold no matter where you are on the political spectrum.

I say this with 0% judgment: lift weights. I totally understand (from experience) how being nerdy and/or autistic may make you feel inadequately masculine, but nobody picks on an autist who looks like he might cave in their skull for doing so. Even just a few minutes a day, once or twice a week of lifting as heavy as you can will get you where you want to be in as little as a few months. People don't even notice I'm autistic unless I start talking.

Apologies for any perceived powerleveling. Just trying to help my fellow spergs.

 

[Overcast]

I say this with 0% judgment: lift weights. I totally understand (from experience) how being nerdy and/or autistic may make you feel inadequately masculine, but nobody picks on an autist who looks like he might cave in their skull for doing so. Even just a few minutes a day, once or twice a week of lifting as heavy as you can will get you where you want to be in as little as a few months. People don't even notice I'm autistic unless I start talking.

Apologies for any perceived powerleveling. Just trying to help my fellow spergs.

Hard agree. I make sure to work out at least three times a week. Working out, as well as finding God have done wonders for me when it came to my masculinity. Little insecurities still seem to hang onto me, but they're not as powerful or crippling as they once were.

 

[Koby_Fish]

as an autist, I'd probably be considered the perfect candidate for the "non-binary" thing because I have no clue what "feeling like a boy/feeling like a girl" is. Does anybody ackshually know what it "feels like"? However, I do not care what it "feels like" because I just am my bio-sex. Besides, even if I gave a shit one way or the other, trooning out would take way too much effort and there's characteristics I DON'T want.