Just what are autistic identity issues? Why does that make them susceptible to gender ideology? - Something about autism makes them have a "different sense of identity." What is that difference?

[SwanSwanson]

There are several reasons why this happens

* Autistic people especially generally don't feel like they live up to their sex.

* Autistic people have an unnuanced, concrete way of thinking. "If I'm not Chad McMuscles I must be a girl". They also think that their hobbies/obsessions are somehow a feminine trait.

* Autistic people have lower IQs (No autists are not rain man) so they're able to get roped into foolishness like this easier.

* They're usually isolated in their homes so they're disconnected from reality more.

* Because of their concrete thinking styles they think just because something has the label of something means it makes them that. For example long hair and girls clothes makes them a girl.

* Less social awareness makes them less likely to realize how foolish gender ideology is.

 

[Sergeant Major Buzzkill]

@NerdShamer That's in the top 3 of my favorite Chris pictures for sure. "Want Women!" lololol. It didn't take too long for "want women!" to become "senile mother will do".

Bleh. Don't remind me.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

as an autist, I'd probably be considered the perfect candidate for the "non-binary" thing because I have no clue what "feeling like a boy/feeling like a girl" is. Does anybody ackshually know what it "feels like"? However, I do not care what it "feels like" because I just am my bio-sex. Besides, even if I gave a shit one way or the other, trooning out would take way too much effort and there's characteristics I DON'T want.

There are physical sensations unique to male or female anatomy. But there is no emotional or psychological state of "feeling male" or "feeling female." Males and females feel all kinds of ways because those feelings are individual and dependent on various external factors. There are experiences more common to males or to females but again, not every male or female has those experiences. Troons conflate all this stuff together though and claim that various subjective feelings are evidence of a "true gender" needing to be dug out from under the physically existing one.

 

[doodoocaca]

There are physical sensations unique to male or female anatomy. But there is no emotional or psychological state of "feeling male" or "feeling female." Males and females feel all kinds of ways because those feelings are individual and dependent on various external factors. There are experiences more common to males or to females but again, not every male or female has those experiences. Troons conflate all this stuff together though and claim that various subjective feelings are evidence of a "true gender" needing to be dug out from under the physically existing one.

lol they also just fucking copy each other's terminology and stated subjective experiences
~gender euphoria~ is unique to the last few years and reddit troons, oddly enough

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

To be a troon you need either:
1. Lack of social norms and shame.
2. Psychopathic tendency to get what you want no matter what. Autists are more common than psychos, so obviously most trans are autists.

 

[The Cunting Death]

It's partially because autists tend to have this feeling where they aren't comfortable in their own skin. Sometimes they adjust to it, sometimes they become trannies, sometimes they skin people alive, it's different with each person.

 

[GenericEdgelordSupreme]

There are several reasons why this happens

* Autistic people especially generally don't feel like they live up to their sex.

* Autistic people have an unnuanced, concrete way of thinking. "If I'm not Chad McMuscles I must be a girl". They also think that their hobbies/obsessions are somehow a feminine trait.

* Autistic people have lower IQs (No autists are not rain man) so they're able to get roped into foolishness like this easier.

* They're usually isolated in their homes so they're disconnected from reality more.

* Because of their concrete thinking styles they think just because something has the label of something means it makes them that. For example long hair and girls clothes makes them a girl.

* Less social awareness makes them less likely to realize how foolish gender ideology is.

Autistic people generally have lower IQs, but some high-IQ autistics are Rain Man*

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

There are physical sensations unique to male or female anatomy. But there is no emotional or psychological state of "feeling male" or "feeling female." Males and females feel all kinds of ways because those feelings are individual and dependent on various external factors. There are experiences more common to males or to females but again, not every male or female has those experiences. Troons conflate all this stuff together though and claim that various subjective feelings are evidence of a "true gender" needing to be dug out from under the physically existing one.

I never got it... How does one feel less 'male' or less 'female'?

 

[NerdShamer]

I never got it... How does one feel less 'male' or less 'female'?

I'm guessing that it ranges from not being interested with the usual hobbies or some guy just enjoying some girly things to being genuinely uncomfortable with your unmentionables.

 

[Alligator Alcatraz]

Two things:

1. Masking. They don't intuitively pick up on various sociolinguistic things the way typical people do so they have to laboriously reconstruct a normal-looking interface with the world from scratch. Obviously the higher your IQ in the realm of deductive reasoning, analogies, and so forth, the more convincing your results will be, and thus you technically become "higher functioning." However the problem is that it is a constructed persona and it is exhausting to maintain. They're not trying to trick or fool people, but think of it this way- if you speak English as your native language and learn Chinese then go to China and have to relate in complex interpersonal situations- dating, sensitive work issues, medical problems- in Chinese, you're going to be running on a delay and burning a lot of extra brain power figuring out how the fuck to convey your thoughts in Chinese. You won't be able to relate to your date as smoothly as you are struggling to remember the right tones for saying "pretty eyes." You might fuck up and accidentally tell your boss "shove a rhino in it" instead of "the computer crashed and I had to start over." You will constantly be experiencing more anxiety and exerting more mental effort than a native Chinese speaker would.

This is what autistics experience trying to interact with people and not be misunderstood. They have their own way of seeing things but over time and painful experience, they learn that their way is incomprehensible to normies. So they have to translate. Something as simple as a normie says "how was your day" and the autist has to learn over time not only to not be truthful (don't tell the cashier "I had the flu last week and still feel like shit plus these shoes are really uncomfortable and my balls itch") and to lie ("great!") and to reciprocate as expected ("how about you?" and not "are you feeling ok you look pretty haggard, mate.") When people ignore them they tend not to take it personally- it's one interaction they don't have to struggle through- but normies do, so they have to learn to acknowledge them to not hurt their feelings. But not to acknowledge the wrong ones, or in the wrong ways. So you smile and say "hey" to the annoying store clerk, but you ignore the sad looking lonely guy sitting out front, and you don't offer to let him see the cool rock you found earlier in hopes of making him feel better. Because that's Not Done. It's complex and exhausting.

While most of these basic things have at least some practical or cultural rationale that makes sense, a lot of gender-based customs come across as infuriatingly arbitrary to autists. For instance: a man can sit with his knees akimbo, a female must not. Even if both are wearing loosely fitting thick pants. Why? If you think about it, it's because females are penetrated, so the gesture appears as a sexual invitation. But the female autist just wanted to relax her legs, not attract sexual attention. Yet now her peers are calling her a ho or her granny is smacking her for indecent behavior. Internalizing this set of rules is a real devilish thing for autists whose whole way of actually functioning in society is to kind of sleuth and deduce things rationally. Like Data.

So they learn over time to "mask" and automatically perform the social roles expected of them. Since it's all an exhausting, often unwanted theatre role to start with, it's not hard to imagine how they might want to switch it up- be Puck instead of Titania, be Ophelia instead of Polonius. Why not?

2. OCD. The same quirks of neurology that cause autism leave autists susceptible to OCD and OCD-like obsessions and compulsions. OCD is called the "doubting disease" and is highly culturally determined. That is, a person with OCD neurology in 14th century Spain would probably be obsessed with Catholic canon law and avoiding heresy. A person with OCD in the 21st century USA becomes obsessed with gender and sexuality. And so it goes.

So in other words, you're saying the writer of "No Longer Human", Osamu Dazai, was an autist and his autism is what caused most of his issues.

The writer self-inserts himself into the book as the protagonist Oba Yozo and rather accurately experiences all of the issues you described. They were molested and raped as a child, so likely PTSD was added to the mix, but they always had underlying issues understanding the things "humans" do and relating to others.

Youtuber Wendigoon made a video about the manga adaptation of it by Junji Ito.

 

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Autism and gender dysphoria are linked, according to a study​

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[llllIllIllIIIIllI]

Claiming to have some fake mental disease is an easy way to get out of school work and have a catch-all pity card. Being a troon is the workplace version of that so you can complain about how everyone is phobic about you. Both of these are things you can pretty much just "choose" to identify as one day after you find out about them on the internet. If you do one why not add more to your line of little boy scout badges as defense against any possible school or work environment?

 

[Ewan McGregor]

I have often read troons saying that "They have never felt like a man".

I have never felt like a man, to be honest. I am just a man. This is the same as to say that I have never felt like a white person, or that I have never felt like I have fingers, or that I have never felt like I have an stomach. Well, I do feel like I have an stomach when I've been hungry, and I've felt my fingers when I've grabbed stuff and I've felt a man when my dick got hard.

But for these people this is not enough. They seem to need a special feeling that is also constantly reminding them they're a man. It is not enough with the obvious. I would imagine that's why they cling to strict gender codes about what men are women are supposed to do.

That said, I think this confusion is induced by the particular cultural milieu where men are constantly invited, if not required, to question and reevaluate their masculinity.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Autistic people tend to navel gaze a lot. When they are very young they don't have an identity that automatically comes through with them. Their identity comes manually if that makes sense. For example an autistic 7 year old would have an easy time answering a math question but will have a hard time answering a personal question about themselves. Autistic people can sometimes get as hyper focus on ideas and questions just as much as their usual interests. If an autistic boy had a moment where they were to ask a simple and innocent question of "what if I was born a women like a rule 63" that can set them up in the current world to be groom to troon. If they have parents or a school guidance consular or even ended up at the wrong corner of the internet that believe full throttle in the troonery ideology, it wouldn't be a surprised if they emotionally lead that autistic person into becoming a troon.

 

[Little oak tree]

Having a sense of self is only useful to function for a while in a determined environment and then dissolve it and get a more interesting one that provides a better high when killed again, whatever identity you may have is just a personal psychosis, nobody perceives you as you perceive yourself nor you will be able to know how that is, and they don't mean anything anyways, it's useful to have the capacity to understand to a certain degree how you "look from outside" and it can provide higher levels of awareness for a while, but only pussies hold on to their identities as real things.
Maybe "autistic" people are more aware of our natural state of being perpetual voids of narcissism that need constant feeding to maintain any illusion of cohesion, but there isn't, consciousness is just an infinite maelstrom and whatever form you want to assign it is like saying the sky has the shape of the clouds it could have at some given moment.
death death death death death lol haha fuck you bitch I love you humans are desperate to evade the truth we are all already dead and the part of ourselves with a sense of self isn't even alive in the first place.
So to answer your question I have no idea why so called autists struggle with that to me the whole of humanity is pretty autistic.
IMO what could help them is assisted personal "Kali Yugas" to put it some way, controlled and conscious traumatization to purge and purify the strong identity fixations that are maladaptive, like opening a wound to remove dead matter of the body, or breaking bones that have solidified on bad ways to re-attach them properly.
Just trying to poke some holes.

 

[Jeff Q. Anime]

Being a man is hard, bros. It's hard to be autistic and navigate the adult worlds of upper education and employment. It's hard to manage your own financial and physical needs. Wouldn't you rather be a cute little housewife and have a strong normal man to take care of you? You get your regular daily chores, get to make nice meals, keep things clean, zone out with your videos going on in the background. A regular, stable, reliable life without the difficulties of *interaction* with strangers that will affect your income.

You like playing with dolls? You like my little pony? You like strawberry shortcake? You want to make cute little arts and crafts? Your inability to function socially denies you the confidence to enjoy things you like. You can't ignore the outside pressures conforming you to your gender role. You only have two choices. Give up the things you like, or become a girl.

You don't know what feeling like a man means, anyway. Maybe you are a girl. If it would get everyone to shut up and leave you alone, if it would get everyone to let you enjoy things, maybe they're right. Girls are pretty, it'd be nice to be a pretty girl, wouldn't it? Maybe it's not such a bad idea after all.

Now me, personally, real talk, I can sympathize with this certain brand of autism. But I'm also a kind of turbo efficiency / practicality autist, and the current SRS results are horrifying. Nothing less than a true and honest female body to transplant my brain into would satisfy. Of course, in the current economy, many women have to work anyway. It's not a get out of fiscal responsibility free card.

I'm sure it coincides with a lack of ambition or grand scheme / plan for your life. I've never wanted to "be" anything. My only reason for working is to have money to do the things I want in my spare time. It's hard to find a reason to work if you make little money and have little time to spend, and nothing to support but your own hobbies. The endless grind for nothing but yourself, when you're not particularly fond of yourself, and don't extract a consummate amount of joy from your side activities, is certainly draining. Particularly for an autist, having to socially mask all the time. The idea of a big, strong man taking the reigns of my life is appealing (no homo).

I am taking applications for boss babes who need a house husband. If you own a small business, you can fire your I.T. department and I will do it for you. I can cook, I can clean, and I take two (!) showers every day.

 

[Haramburger]

Being a man is hard, bros. It's hard to be autistic and navigate the adult worlds of upper education and employment. It's hard to manage your own financial and physical needs. Wouldn't you rather be a cute little housewife and have a strong normal man to take care of you? You get your regular daily chores, get to make nice meals, keep things clean, zone out with your videos going on in the background. A regular, stable, reliable life without the difficulties of *interaction* with strangers that will affect your income.

You like playing with dolls? You like my little pony? You like strawberry shortcake? You want to make cute little arts and crafts? Your inability to function socially denies you the confidence to enjoy things you like. You can't ignore the outside pressures conforming you to your gender role. You only have two choices. Give up the things you like, or become a girl.

You don't know what feeling like a man means, anyway. Maybe you are a girl. If it would get everyone to shut up and leave you alone, if it would get everyone to let you enjoy things, maybe they're right. Girls are pretty, it'd be nice to be a pretty girl, wouldn't it? Maybe it's not such a bad idea after all.

Now me, personally, real talk, I can sympathize with this certain brand of autism. But I'm also a kind of turbo efficiency / practicality autist, and the current SRS results are horrifying. Nothing less than a true and honest female body to transplant my brain into would satisfy. Of course, in the current economy, many women have to work anyway. It's not a get out of fiscal responsibility free card.

I'm sure it coincides with a lack of ambition or grand scheme / plan for your life. I've never wanted to "be" anything. My only reason for working is to have money to do the things I want in my spare time. It's hard to find a reason to work if you make little money and have little time to spend, and nothing to support but your own hobbies. The endless grind for nothing but yourself, when you're not particularly fond of yourself, and don't extract a consummate amount of joy from your side activities, is certainly draining. Particularly for an autist, having to socially mask all the time. The idea of a big, strong man taking the reigns of my life is appealing (no homo).

I am taking applications for boss babes who need a house husband. If you own a small business, you can fire your I.T. department and I will do it for you. I can cook, I can clean, and I take two (!) showers every day.

big queer baby

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Here's a really cringe video trying to confirm this.

 

[Corpun]

Given that most autists have issues socializing, I wouldn't be shocked if many troon/gender weirdo groups take advantage of that intentionally or unintentionally (Think 'Oh I have autism too!') and get drawn in thinking they found a community they are comfortable in. The autist neighbor of mine hung out with gang bangers and was taken advantage of, now he is serving a couple of years in prison for petty theft or some shit.

Autists, especially autists who can't function well or pretend to function well in society, are incredibly weak willed.

 

[The Lawgiver]

as an autist, I'd probably be considered the perfect candidate for the "non-binary" thing because I have no clue what "feeling like a boy/feeling like a girl" is. Does anybody ackshually know what it "feels like"? However, I do not care what it "feels like" because I just am my bio-sex. Besides, even if I gave a shit one way or the other, trooning out would take way too much effort and there's characteristics I DON'T want.

I think a big problem with what leads people down the path is the focus on "identity" A few years back Autism was just another thing that existed with brain development shit and though not "curable" could be treated with therapy and counseling if you got a good therapist/counseler that actually knew what the fuck to do to help fix shit. Nowadays it seems it's identity shit all the way down and the hackfraud therapists and counselers that are mainly in it for the money and give barely any shit about their clients divert shit to "gender" reasons for problems because that's what's in vogue right now.

Back when I was in middle/highschool way back in the mid/late 2000s if you got diagnosed with high functioning autism or aspergers nobody gave a fucking shit till it became offensive to say "retard" so people started saying "autistic" despite the fact they aren't the same thing. Shortly after that though everyone was back to laughing about that shit and not caring except for when some dumbass lumped the high functioning guys in with the low functioning guys claiming they were all the same. Yeah ok sure mildly socially awkward jimmy who needs counseling for social cues and got prescribed meds for his anger/anxiety issues is TOTALLY the fucking same level as the fat constantly screaming blob that vaugely looks like jontron who smashes himself in the head and laughs only to do it again after realizing how much it fucking hurts.

Nowadays though, with this autism identity shit, you got grown ass adults wanting to be treated like super special stimmy babies or whatever the fuck. lLike it's 2012 tumblrites but they're grown ass men and women who previously knew better but now as current year bugmen claim they had to "mask" their autism as if lack of natural social awareness and pattern recognition is something you can mask. fucking hell you learned the social cues shut the fuck up about masking, using your learned social skills does not count as "masking" and it doesn't make you fucking oppressed fuck right the hell off. Combine that shit with the troon shit where they know transpeople get special treatment in some places and you got a recipe for narcissistic disaster.

Given that most autists have issues socializing, I wouldn't be shocked if many troon/gender weirdo groups take advantage of that intentionally or unintentionally (Think 'Oh I have autism too!') and get drawn in thinking they found a community they are comfortable in. The autist neighbor of mine hung out with gang bangers and was taken advantage of, now he is serving a couple of years in prison for petty theft or some shit.

Autists, especially autists who can't function well or pretend to function well in society, are incredibly weak willed.

Dude your autist neighbor was a fucking criminal with his bros that's like the opposite of weak willed. Fucking dumb life choices that ended him in prison but when literally every authority figure is like "DO NOT COMMIT CRIMES OR JOIN A GANG" and the fucking dude goes and does it anyways there has to be some kinda personal will there unless they were blackmailing him or some shit like some kinda autist joker origin story.


do genuinely believe there is manipulation shit going on, especially with the rise of this "neurodiversity movement" shit and the "trans rights!!!!" shit both cropping up at weirdly the same time in the media push. I'm too fucking tired right now while multitasking on some other shit to explain further and I don't want this to end up an even bigger textwall.