Karl Marx is a idiot

Hellbound Hellhound said:
Perhaps the most fascinating thing about Karl Marx is that the majority of his most fervent critics don't appear to have actually read anything he wrote. They'll point out that his name is heavily associated with the deprivations of communism, but very rarely do they ever engage with the question of how much this association is truly justified, let alone seriously consider the merits of any of the ideas he put forward.

Marx was, by all accounts, a deeply flawed man, and many of his ideas were too, but it's still difficult not to notice the dearth of intellectual honesty among many of his critics, and it's doubly difficult not to notice the ease at which much of the vitriol his name inspires can be traced back to the enduring strength of American propaganda (first by the state; then later by wealthy press barons). It's almost as if the man might've been onto something.
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Marx is just a whipping boy for smug libertarian capitalists. The venom that some people work up for him is astounding considering that he was not, you know, a dictator, nor did he have powers of prognostication to see what his ideology would result in, nor would his absence have really changed anything given that he was just one of many socialist writers and people have been trying to destroy the rich since one caveman got one more loincloth than another. A lot of his ideas are sound.

One thing that isn't really right in the way he describes it but is useful is Crisis Theory, he explains the business cycle coming out of intensified exploitation which is nonsense, but if you change exploitation to risk-seeking behavior (something I think he does bring up, but as a side point?), it makes perfect sense: risk-averse businesses take low risk opportunities first and the diminishing profits force them to accumulate risk until it crashes the system. I never read Marx but I read an article that laid out that argument.
 
If Karl Marx was alive right now, then his later writing 'Herr Vogt' would instead be known as 'Herr Ralph'.
 
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Most of the things you mentioned have nothing to do with intelligence or not.

Now as to Marx's intelligence, was he intelligent? Yes. Was he wrong? Also yes. It always amazes me that people conflate being intelligent and being correct. They aren't the same, and indeed when intelligent people are incorrect they tend to be wrong on a much larger scale than stupid people.
 
Sweetpeaa said:
The west has no Marxism. Jesus fucking Christ, I don't even know why this gets brought up so much? No one gives a fuck about Marx or wants Marxism. What people take issue with is the loss of real wage growth across the board after 43 years of supply side (which is still going strong).

I feel some people are so fucking retarded they think past economic policies that propped up the middle class are Marxism when they are not.
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Some people who don't know what Marxism is and have been taken in by progaganda claiming Marxism is when government does stuff claim to be Marxists. But you are correct, genuine Marxism is functionally dead.
 
Karl Marx was really smart actually. He cooked up one of the dumbest, most nonfunctional and nonsensical ideologies in human history, but framed it in such a way that it got millions of ignorant people and/or morons to follow it to the death all so a vanguard party, being in Marx's vision of things himself and his buddies, could have absolute power over them. He was a lazy liar and a complete fraud, but he was fucking good at deceiving people to the point that more than a hundred million innocent deaths and ample proof of corruption and vileness inherent in Marxism hasn't stopped people from deifying it to this day.
 
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BiggerChungus said:
Karl Marx was really smart actually. He cooked up one of the dumbest, most nonfunctional and nonsensical ideologies in human history, but framed it in such a way that it got millions of ignorant people and/or morons to follow it to the death all so a vanguard party, being in Marx's vision of things himself and his buddies, could have absolute power over them. He was a lazy liar and a complete fraud, but he was fucking good at deceiving people to the point that more than a hundred million innocent deaths and ample proof of corruption and vileness inherent in Marxism hasn't stopped people from deifying it to this day.
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Like a stereotypical jew?

His relationships with his family were equally bad from letters preserved. He was estranged from his father, who cared for him until the day he died, asking his son to visit him.
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Of course communist faggots hate their parents for no reason.
 
milk said:
Marx also stole half his ideas from Hegel anyways. e.g. Historicism
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A German thinker was influenced by one of the most if not the most influential German philosopher of the time?
 
Lord Neeba said:
Some people who don't know what Marxism is and have been taken in by progaganda claiming Marxism is when government does stuff claim to be Marxists. But you are correct, genuine Marxism is functionally dead.
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It's getting more and more aggravating for me to hear this. There is literally no way to have a mature conversation about wage stagnation and disproportionate wealth tax transfer from the middle class to the wealthy on the internet or in real life anymore without someone jumping in and throwing around the term ''Marxism'' and trying to shut down the conversation.

Critique of wage stagnation relative to the cost of living is important to discuss. It's sad to see people equate conversation about increasing wages and the return of benefits like pensions with fucking Marxism of all things.
 
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