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[NvII iS 8ulLt f0R 88C]

As I understand it the logic was as follows.

"We want to appeal to the youths for the jubilee, the youths sure do like that anime stuff, what if we made an anime mascot for the jubilee to appeal to the youths?"

I must say it worked on me.

 

[Red_Cap]

I have noticed two kinds of people among young Catholic adults in my neck of the woods:

You have the joyful, whimsically-hearted crowd that are on board with Luce, and then you have this:



I don't have a preference over the form of Mass or whether Novus Ordo is or isn't superior to TLM or Extraordinary Rite. I assume there's decent reasons to prefer either.

To walk out of Mass, take a selfie doing so, and posting it online seems cringe and gay.

 

[RomanianSchizo]

Are y’all familiar with TinySaints? https://www.tinysaints.com/

They have a keychain now for St. Carlos Acutis
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I'm a huge Tiny Saints fan and I love this new keychain. Highly recommend buying some if you haven't already.

 

[Frick Marisa]

To walk out of Mass, take a selfie doing so, and posting it online seems cringe and gay.

It's all performative. No wonder "Cathlarper" became a saying.

 

[GeekUSA]

It's all performative. No wonder "Cathlarper" became a saying.

Honestly they're no better than the orthobros who base the entirety of their faith on not being Catholic. You'll have people who don't care at all about the spiritual and traditional aspects of their faith, and spend every waking hour falling into a purity spiral on who is the "valid church", ignoring decades of ecumenism in favor of what is essentially virtue signaling. No wonder these people are all mostly prot converts, they can't escape the protestant mindset of constantly trying to appear more righteous than everyone else who isn't them. I pray this trend will eventually go away if we wanna see anything beneficial come about.

 

[Frick Marisa]

No wonder these people are all mostly prot converts, they can't escape the protestant mindset of constantly trying to appear more righteous than everyone else who isn't them. I pray this trend will eventually go away if we wanna see anything beneficial come about.

Ego has a lot to do with all of this. Even cradle Catholics feel ashamed when the Pope is mocked over yet another Jewish article that misquoted something. Instead of ignoring other denominations playing the purity spiral game or looking into the lies themselves, their ego pushes some toward sedevacantism or even Orthodoxy.

I have a few friends who became Orthodox simply because having a spokesperson like the Pope was too much for them. They see everything through some kind of optics war and can’t accept that someone who spent more time praying than they’ve been alive could be against race wars or refuse to tell trans people they should kill themselves.

If I hear about the Pachamama from a fellow Catholic once again, I'm going to lose it...

 

[Shek$il]

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I don't have a preference over the form of Mass or whether Novus Ordo is or isn't superior to TLM or Extraordinary Rite. I assume there's decent reasons to prefer either.

To walk out of Mass, take a selfie doing so, and posting it online seems cringe and gay.

A dimwit's face if I've ever seen one, complete with a pig's snout. The "loud hypocrite" we were told not to be.

 

[Preacher ✝]

To walk out of Mass, take a selfie doing so, and posting it online seems cringe and gay.

These are the kind of people who kneel and recieve on the tongue, and then judge anyone who stands and recieves in the hand, even though the Church says both are equally valid.

Its getting close to sedevacantist bullshit.

 

[GeekUSA]

These are the kind of people who kneel and recieve on the tongue, and then judge anyone who stands and recieves in the hand, even though the Church says both are equally valid.

Its getting close to sedevacantist bullshit.

What's funny is that I only ever see post-covid converts/reverts ask for communion on the tongue in non-TLM services. It's ok if it's just personal preference, but making such a scene during Mass to me is insulting

 

[RomanianSchizo]

I have noticed two kinds of people among young Catholic adults in my neck of the woods:

You have the joyful, whimsically-hearted crowd that are on board with Luce, and then you have this:

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I don't have a preference over the form of Mass or whether Novus Ordo is or isn't superior to TLM or Extraordinary Rite. I assume there's decent reasons to prefer either.

To walk out of Mass, take a selfie doing so, and posting it online seems cringe and gay.

I was unlucky enough to go to high school with both teachers and classmates who were like this. It nearly made me lose my faith. I don't really have anything else to say about this that other Kiwis haven't, but I hope someday the Pope, whichever one it may be at the point, comes out and sets the record straight for Catholics that there is nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo, that both it and the TLM are valid. While he's add it, let's excommunicate all those who are sedevacantists and belong to the SSPX. I'd also like him to clarify that veiling isn't required for Novus Ordo (I think it is for TLM but every time I've been not everyone was veiling so idk). Speaking of clarification, let's get the record straight on Ephesians 5:21-33 and hopefully that'll clear up the misogyny that is prevalent among the rigid TradCaths. And finally, let's stop allowing prots to convert (ok this one is mostly a joke, but I think that prot converts - not all, but a lot of them - have caused scandal to the church, for example, Taylor Marshall and there should be some sort of guardrails in place for prot converts to make sure they don't end up like Taylor Marshall or the guy in the picture I quoted).
In a perfect world where the Pope handles all of this, I believe that we will finally stopping seeing this trend as the other Kiwi was saying, and return to a Catholic Church where we don't have this infighting (and dare I say it infiltration).

Anyway, enough of my yapping about the grievances I have with prots and TradCaths. I just came back from Mass, and the homily was really cool. The priest who was speaking is apparently a seminarian so idk if he's like a full priest yet or how that works but anyway, he was talking about how we all have a unique path that God calls us too, and the priest used Sts. Peter and Paul as examples, because it was their feast day today. Then the priest asked, how do we find out what our unique paths are? Now I thought he was going to stop right there and end the homily and let us think about it, but he actually gave us practical advice (which I think is rare for anyone in a teaching authority in the Church to do). Here is the advice:
1. You can ask God in prayer, like saying when you wake up "Show me the next step on the path that I am supposed to take today."
2. Read the Bible (which is similar to point number 1, but by reading the Bible you can get the answer from God based on what stands out to you when you're reading it).
3. Another way you can figure out your unique path is by the people God has placed in your life. Maybe you're supposed to help them or they're supposed to help you, but basically God uses people to guide you and help you on your unique path.
It was a great homily, and hopefully whoever is reading this gets something out of it like I did.

I also for the first time focused on the Eucharistic Prayer today during Mass, and I didn't realize that this part: "Remember, Lord, your servants N. and N. and all gathered here, whose faith and devotion are known to you. For them, we offer you this sacrifice of praise or they offer it for themselves and all who are dear to them, for the redemption of their souls, in hope of health and well-being, and paying their homage to you, the eternal God, living and true:" is referring to everyone at the Mass? I thought that was super cool, and it definitely made me feel like a part of what was going on during the EP for the first time in my life (since I normally can't focus during that part of the Mass lol).

My apologies for the long post, I just really wanted to get all of this out. BTW, Happy Feast Day of Sts. Peter and Paul everyone!

 

[Tom Bombodildo]

What's funny is that I only ever see post-covid converts/reverts ask for communion on the tongue in non-TLM services.

IIRC, technically the general norm in the US for reception of the Eucharist is supposed to be standing, on the tongue. I've almost never encountered any conflict one way or the other for receiving on the tongue generally, because all you have to do is stick your tongue out and the priest or EMHC is supposed to place the host there. The people who cause problems are those who insist on kneeling to receive even when there isn't a reverent and efficient way to do so. Though ime most priests are usually willing to try and meet the desire to kneel to receive by having the person(s) go last in the line for communion.
And as annoying as they can be, I'm sympathetic because I think ultimately the intent is to display/encourage a greater reverence for the Eucharist, which reception-in-the-hand Communion lines have diminished somewhat. The hundreds of little ways that I think we ought to show greater reverence for the Eucharist would be an exhaustive and boring post, but I think many people with this mindset are on the right path but they're letting their egos and personalities get in the way of Jesus.

 

[RomanianSchizo]

IIRC, technically the general norm in the US for reception of the Eucharist is supposed to be standing, on the tongue. I've almost never encountered any conflict one way or the other for receiving on the tongue generally, because all you have to do is stick your tongue out and the priest or EMHC is supposed to place the host there.

I didn't know there was a general norm - in my experience, it doesn't matter how you receive the Eucharist in the Novus Ordo Mass. TLM is a bit different, you have to kneel and receive on the tongue. When it comes to the Novus Ordo, the only time I had a conflict with receiving on the tongue was with a EMHC who was some old dude who probably didn't want to accidentally touch someone's tongue, so I just ended up receiving on the hand.

The people who cause problems are those who insist on kneeling to receive even when there isn't a reverent and efficient way to do so. Though ime most priests are usually willing to try and meet the desire to kneel to receive by having the person(s) go last in the line for communion.

In my experience, when I go up for Communion you'll have people who kneel and receive on the tongue at all points along the Communion line. I didn't realize that some priests will have those people go last, very interesting. I would think that would make things a bit more hectic but maybe it would work better at a smaller parish.

And as annoying as they can be, I'm sympathetic because I think ultimately the intent is to display/encourage a greater reverence for the Eucharist, which reception-in-the-hand Communion lines have diminished somewhat. The hundreds of little ways that I think we ought to show greater reverence for the Eucharist would be an exhaustive and boring post, but I think many people with this mindset are on the right path but they're letting their egos and personalities get in the way of Jesus.

I tend not to be sympathetic if I know that the person has an ego when it comes to this kind of thing, especially since the Eucharist is probably one of the greatest examples of humility that we have in the Church, but I'm a bit more jaded when it comes to these sorts of topics.
I think as long as you receive the Eucharist in a state of grace and with humility, that's the greatest way to show reverence. I never understood why it matters how you receive it, to me it should matter that you are receiving it with those two aforementioned considerations. After all, the Eucharist is a gift - this may be an oversimplification, but it really is like getting a gift from a friend. Wouldn't it matter more how you react to the gift (and by extension, the friend) than how you open it?

 

[Yet Another Wanker]

https://x.com/dianemontagna/status/1940051085508714530

There has been a leak of some of the responses Bishops gave in the lead up to TC. Note this is NOT the actual document itself this is a journoscum leaking of her own rendering of a selection of quotes what she wants. It should also be noted that for 60 years trads complained about collegiality being from the pits of hell now they are complaining about the Pope going against the will of the College of Bishops.

I am now going to give the hottest ever take on the Kiwi Farms Null prepare your butt hurt anointment. The Missal of 1970 is the continuation of the Mass said by Catholics in the City of Rome by the Popes reformed by Pope Georgian, and the Trent and Vatican Councils. Therefore this who controversy is stupid and a waste of everyone's time. You talk about peace and unity and then prepare for schism and hate to parody the teenage angst song of the 80s.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Parish Priest for the British MP for Dorking and Harley has done an incredibly based thing, and something that has elevated Roman Catholicism in my quest for a new church.

He has told the MP that his support for the UK's "Assisted Dying" bill is contrary to the doctrines of the church and anathema. His failure to oppose it as a confirmed Roman Catholic and member of the UK's Parliament sets him outside the grace of the church. He shall be denied communion as he is now in a state of mortal sin and cannot receive communion until he recants.

Based. Based. Based. Someone make that Priest a Bishop.

https://observer.co.uk/news/politics/article/i-was-told-i-was-complicit-in-a-murderous-act-for-backing-the-assisted-dying-bill

I was told I was complicit in a murderous act for backing the assisted dying bill

I am a member of parliament. I am also a Roman Catholic. One is my professional role, which I am proud to uphold so long as my constituents support me at the ballot box. The other is my personal faith, which is profoundly important to me but which does not – and will not – have any relevance to my parliamentary responsibilities. When people said 65 years ago that a Roman Catholic could never hold the most powerful elected office in the world, John F Kennedy replied.: “I am not the Catholic candidate for president. I am the Democratic party’s candidate for president.”

 

[Red_Cap]

My fiancé is throwing elbows on the Internet with Orthospergs who are circling the drain on the question of whether Muslims worship the same God as Catholics.

I'm a lucky man.

As far as where I fall on the matter: Yes, same God, but they are wrong.

I'm not really convinced by the argument that shifts the framing to the definition and efficacy of worship to mean that which the Muslims worship is a different God. Orthos are crashing out on this because of a debate with a prominent Ortho bro that wanted to change the argument from "Same God or not?" to "Why won't you defend your papacy!"

 

[Rango Dango]

My fiancé is throwing elbows on the Internet with Orthospergs who are circling the drain on the question of whether Muslims worship the same God as Catholics.

I'm a lucky man.

As far as where I fall on the matter: Yes, same God, but they are wrong.

I'm not really convinced by the argument that shifts the framing to the definition and efficacy of worship to mean that which the Muslims worship is a different God. Orthos are crashing out on this because of a debate with a prominent Ortho bro that wanted to change the argument from "Same God or not?" to "Why won't you defend your papacy!"

I'd say, does it even matter? What matters is that muslims don't believe Jesus was the Son of God, and we do. They believe Jesus was just some prophet and that Judas died on the cross instead of Him, and that He was smiling during that crucifixion.

What also matters is that we're the One True Church and the Orthodox Church isn't

 

[GeekUSA]

I think Muslims believe in the same God as us to an extent, though their worship has been greatly perverted by Satan.

 

[Local Farmer]

For 99% of history, almost all members of the Church, Saints or otherwise believed that Islam is merely a Christian Heresy, a position that almost all Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs hold, that was until Jay Dyer said other wise

 

[Tom Bombodildo]

It's literally just Orthos crashing out over V2 and Nostra Aetate. The Orthobro online horde likes to pick particular pet issues to complain and debatebro about for a couple weeks before dropping it and finding something else to do. This too shall pass.

 

[Yet Another Wanker]

For 99% of history, almost all members of the Church, Saints or otherwise believed that Islam is merely a Christian Heresy, a position that almost all Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs hold, that was until Jay Dyer said other wise

https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/heresy-of-mohammed-10817