Lolcow KingCobraJFS / Josh Saunders - Amateur musician, YouTube Streamer, wandmaker, and self-proclaimed "sexy goth badboy". Perpetually circling the drain.

'Ole Dente said:
No, Clint could not actually do this. In order to involuntarily commit somebody in Wyoming, their mental illness needs to clearly present as a danger to themselves or others, precluding addiction. This involves mental examination by a professional and a lengthy court process and any U.S judge, particularly in Wyoming, is going to operate with extreme caution when it comes to depriving a vulnerable citizen of their liberties.
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While I am aware that Wyoming does not consider developmental disabilities and addiction to drugs or alcohol on its own as ground for commitment, when it appears in combination with mental illness the calculation changes.

WYO. STAT. ANN. § 25-10-109(a). A person may be detained when: i. A law enforcement officer or examiner has reasonable cause to believe a person is mentally ill pursuant to W.S. 25-10-101; ii. A court has entered an ex parte order for immediate detention of a person pursuant to W.S. 25-10-110.1(h); iii. A hospital revokes convalescent status release of a person pursuant to W.S. 25-10-127(b) based on a previous or current determination of mental illness. WYO. STAT. ANN. § 25-10-101(a)(ix). (Effective July 1, 2024) “Mental illness” and “mentally ill” mean a physical, emotional, mental or behavioral disorder which causes a person to be dangerous to himself or others and which requires treatment, but do not include addiction to drugs or alcohol, drug or alcohol intoxication or developmental disabilities, except when one (1) or more of those conditions co-occurs as a secondary diagnosis with a mental illness;

WYO. STAT. ANN. § 25-10-101(a)(ix). (Effective July 1, 2024) “Mental illness” and “mentally ill” mean a physical, emotional, mental or behavioral disorder which causes a person to be dangerous to himself or others and which requires treatment, but do not include addiction to drugs or alcohol, drug or alcohol intoxication or developmental disabilities, except when one (1) or more of those conditions co-occurs as a secondary diagnosis with a mental illness; WYO. STAT. ANN. § 25-10-101(a)(ii). (Effective July 1, 2024) “Dangerous to himself or others” means that, as a result of mental illness, a person: (A) Evidences a substantial probability of physical harm to himself as manifested by evidence of recent threats of or attempts at suicide or serious bodily harm; or (B) Evidences a substantial probability of physical harm to other individuals as manifested by a recent overt homicidal act, attempt or threat or other violent act, attempt or threat which places others in reasonable fear of serious physical harm to them; or (C) Evidences behavior manifested by recent acts or omissions that, due to mental illness, he is unable to satisfy basic needs for nourishment, essential medical care, shelter or safety so that a substantial probability exists that death, serious physical injury, serious physical debilitation, serious mental debilitation, destabilization from lack of or refusal to take prescribed psychotropic medications for a diagnosed condition or serious physical disease will imminently ensue, unless the individual receives prompt and adequate treatment for this mental illness. No person, however, shall be deemed to be unable to satisfy his need for nourishment, essential medical care, shelter or safety if he is able to satisfy those needs with the supervision and assistance of others who are willing and available; (D) While this definition requires evidence of recent acts or omissions of endangerment, either to self or others, a court may consider a person’s mental health history in determining whether directed outpatient commitment or involuntary hospitalization is warranted.

With his collection of mental illnesses, including diagnosed schizophrenia, history of depression, and suicide baiting/attempts with drugs, with many admissions to this being on video, fellating his shotgun, handling and loading his shotgun in a drunken stupor, he is very much a candidate for a 72-hour involuntary hold which includes an assessment by a licensed mental health worker within 24 hours of commitment. Following this a court hearing must occur to find if mental illness is present and if the individual is considered competent.

As such I am still of the belief Clint could do it if he was willing to put in the effort and considered caring for Josh more important than his hobbies. I am however not saying it would be a walk in the park or something Clint can just do at a whim with a phone call to someone. He would need to call for state action when Josh has one of his suicidal episodes and most likely act as a witness in court to prove Josh is not competent and has not been caring for himself for at least the last 6-8 years, his repeated overdrafts, teeth issues, drinking every hour of every day, etc..
 
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FatPrickTomlinson said:
Was i supposed to feel unsympathetic to the neighbor? He sounds pretty fuckin awesome if you ask me. Has a job? Based. Race realist? Based. Loving family? Based. Scammed his way out of incarceration to smoke more meth? Based. Op being a filthy redskin? L
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I don't think he's back to smoking meth - APS placed him in like, in a day-program now for disabled adults and he gets drug tested. Also, I left out the part where he was once suspected of drowning stray cats. Oh, who am I kidding, you'd probably find that endearing.

Anyway, I think a mandatory day program (if those even exist in Wyoming) would be a good option for Cobes, instead of a group home. I've noticed they're becoming a more popular alternative to group homes, I guess since they're cheaper to operate/don't actually house the disabled adults - they go home in the evening.

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In a deposition with the Special Trollsecutor, President Saunders couldn't even recall the year that his bearded dragon Puff disappeared. He also had trouble remembering the recipes to food hacks and the reason he had classified documents pertaining to the America's Strategic Wand stockpile in his trailer.
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...could he have alcohol induced dementia? Or is Cobes too young (late 30's?) for the neurodegenerative effects of daily alcohol consumption to have permanently fried his brain?
 
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'Ole Dente said:
1. Almost set the kitchen on fire with grease and tried to stop it with salt and the word “Stop.”
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The simple fact he used salt instead of water when there is thousands of videos of people on Tiktok and Youtube who are supposedly of average intellect who immediately grab the water and burn their kitchens down should say something.
 
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WhoDaresWhoCaresWhoKnows said:
While I am aware that Wyoming does not consider developmental disabilities and addiction to drugs or alcohol on its own as ground for commitment, when it appears in combination with mental illness the calculation changes.
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Interesting, I don't know if anyone has ever tried deep diving into the legallity of putting Cobes into a group home.

What's your take on Clint being a bad father?
 
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'Ole Dente said:
Yeah. I can count, right now, how many incidents he’s had where he’s presented as a danger to himself and others.

1. Almost set the kitchen on fire with grease and tried to stop it with salt and the word “Stop.”
2. Fucking around with a blowtorch in front of spray cans to light some Arab smoking implement (Eviction 1.)
3. Threatened to stab Scotty’s sister because Scotty’s sister is a fucking mongoloid.
4. Semi-threatened to stab a bartender? Not sure about this one.
5. Tried to off himself with a shotgun, maybe?
6. Tried to, but not really, performatively stab himself with a short sword because he got hammered on Peach Schnapps and felt ashamed for destroying his guitar.

That’s over almost two decades, that’s pretty good all things considered. I’m tempted to include “Destroyed the apartment complex’s
washing machines” but I’m sure that was Jessica and it wouldn’t be fair to attribute it to him.
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7. Playing around with a loaded shotgun drunk off his ass on one of Porkney’s streams.
 
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I know the topic has been done to death, but fuck it. I think the quickest way to actually get him in some sort of program, would be the rent angle. Everyone points out he's lived on his own this long, but that's because Clunt handles all that. If the boy was 100% on his own for securing and facilitating rent payments (and the same for food), he'd quickly end up homeless.

Once homeless and drunkenly shuffling around live streaming, he'd probably eventually get swept up by the police and referred into something after enough shenanigans, at least on a 72 hour psyche hold.

Then again that catch and release cycle would probably just repeat constantly and not go any further, there's loads of homeless milling about that don't get swept into various programs (or refuse to stay in them if they do).
 
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'Ole Dente said:
No, Clint could not actually do this. In order to involuntarily commit somebody in Wyoming, their mental illness needs to clearly present as a danger to themselves or others, precluding addiction. This involves mental examination by a professional and a lengthy court process and any U.S judge, particularly in Wyoming, is going to operate with extreme caution when it comes to depriving a vulnerable citizen of their liberties.
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Eventide said:
I thought APS just does that on its own, regardless of what said vulnerable adult's parents want?

My slow methhead neighbor, who lived on his parent's property but was otherwise an independent adult with a job (note: methheads are surprisingly good at holding down jobs....since it pays for meth) had APS show up one day & involuntarily commit his meth'ed up retard ass after he kept driving high/drunk into ditches & running around in public half naked screaming about *checks notes* "them nigg..." well, you get the idea.

His mom was furious APS intervened, and was like "the state kidnapped my boy" and actually hired lawyers/called political favors/wrote in church bulletins/did fucking everything to try to get her dumb violent meth son uncommitted (mind you, the other option was JAIL). I think he eventually got released months later, heavily medicated/monitored/I heard he's now legally unable to own weapons or computers. His family is unhinged white supremacist trash so I never cared enough to get the full story, lest they shoot me for being an injun.
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The confusion about what APS would do is easily explained by the fact that social workers in these kinds of systems tend to do whatever the fuck they want to & leave everyone else to deal with the consequences. The results vary wildly. Courts usually do whatever APS or CPS tells them to. The individual social workers might be way too lax or way too strict. Outside of findings of extreme abuse ort neglect, these people do nothing but generate opinions on what lifestyles are appropriate or not. No one wants to do that job and it is hard to fire them, impossible to sue. I would say that social workers make the incorrect judgment by default, with a minority of them being good enough at their work to be able to tell who needs to be forced into help and who will be fine without it.

APS wyoming's website mentions "self neglect", like failing to get dental care, as an area of concern. I am sure they would go check it out if someone reported him, but I don't know if he would be better or worse off by their intervention. I have seen some pants on head retarded shit from social workers in the past and don't have confidence they won't leave him worse off. OTOH it could end up being a miracle that saves his life. I'm not comfortable gambling that way with a stranger's life, but someone else on the internet probably is. I would be shocked if no one reported him, he doesn't have a chance of solving his problems on his own and his mouth degrading causes a visceral reaction in anyone who sees.
 
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sperginity said:
I would be shocked if no one reported him
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I assume shit touchers probably already tried that angle and that Clunt being vaguely in charge of aspects of his life (I word it that way since I'm not that deep in the lore but I've always assumed poppa nips has POA or something akin to that over the dark lord) probably ended up being a wall they couldn't breach. We already saw a logs reporting him to animal welfare outfits over Puff.
 
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Hennimore said:
Noticed in the background, sitting on his kitchen counter, he has a bottle of Fish Oil which is recommended to improve liver health. Coincidence? I wonder if that was a doctor or Clint recommendation?
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it might just be something NAL left there when she was over. or he thinks fish oil means oil that tastes like fish so he tosses them into meals for extra fish taste.
 
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