How do you guys feel about KFD2, now it's had a little time to get feedback from the Farms? Any thoughts about the organization of the project, or about the finished project itself, in regards to what you'd do differently for a hypothetical KFD3?
The reception was overall positive, except for a bunch of queers on 4chan /vr/ who just couldn't get over the usage of the Cyberchuddy. It's not like we had a choice, we lacked the resources and manpower to create more characters in 2D with full rotations. The constantly unhappy 3D Cyberchuddy was a necessary compromise and it did its job well as a counterpart to the autistic and (mostly) silent 2D Kiwi birds / background characters.
Which is why for the next project, if you people want to see it of equal quality (or better), we definitely need help on the team. What we especially need are mappers who understand scripting / coding for the hub. I tried to help with that, but I'm completely hopeless when it comes to scripting. Because of that,
@Dull Pencil was extremely overworked by the end. Without his technical prowess, KF2 would've ended as just another map pack. We
NEED more guys.
By the way, you mentioned the *obvious* joke of increasing the thermal generator and cooking the kikes inside. That was something that got lost by the end. I had this suggestion somewhere in my notes, but this would have required more scripting, which I didn't want to put on Dull Pencil. Then during the following weeks I was discovering severe bugs in the Alpha hub versions that needed more attention. It was simply a forgotten feature / oversight.
Organization-wise, it was just the two of us, which meant we communicated the development completely over direct messages here on Kiwi Farms. I guess we're oldschool like that. No Trannycord was used in the making of this. If we get additional devs, we will need a different solution, obviously.
Give a bit of an origin story: Are you longtime DOOM mappers/Did you come over from other communities like Duke3D or Quake? Or were you mapping laymen who just chose to make KFD1+2 for the sake of it?
I was and still am a nobody who self-taught Doom mapping 10+ years ago in Doom Builder 2, because I wanted to try out a new thing. My "villain story" started when I joined Doomworld years ago and tried to fit in, but instead got rewarded with constant warnings, threats and terror jannies hovering over my profile. Releasing maps brought me no joy anymore, everyone on that website acted like a fucking retard and the only people who would even "test" your maps were a bunch of "streamers" with weapon mods and freelook. They almost never gave any proper feedback and did some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen during their "playtesting". It was infuriating, it made you question if you were really losing your sanity watching these "people".
But none of that was bad enough to turn me to the "dark side"... well, that was until I met some dude on Doomworld. Basically the only guy on there who I trusted. We got along pretty well, at least I thought. For over an entire year we exchanged mapping ideas and files. It was all fine, sometimes he was acting quite weird, but nothing to worry about ... I thought. Well one day I complained about someone, who suddenly, without any warning, transitioned to become a troon and started to fuck up a lot of mapping projects. It did not even take three sentences and this guy that I knew for over a year, shrieked at me, blocked me and then attempted to throw me under the bus. Not even three or five months later he himself was banned by the troon mods and left the community, never to be seen again. It was at this point that I joined
@Judge Dredd 's first KF project, because I couldn't take this shit anymore.
T.L.D.R. libtards and troons ruined the Doom community, I got into the crossfire and was backstabbed by a limp-dicked faggot. For a more detailed view, you obviously have the "No Fun Allowed" text file.
Readme.txt lays out a lot of complaints about the state of Doom Mapping and modding: is there an intention with KFD1+2 to foster a dedicated DOOMing community on KF?
I really, really hope we can manage to establish something. A first step would be to have our own sub-forum here on Kiwi Farms, but I don't think we're there yet. As much as we hope that 40oz will continue to lead the Doomer Boards and keep its anti-Doomworld stance up, we at the same time question his sanity. There's too much to talk about the guy, but let's just say, there's a reason why many call him "40iq".
We
NEED another Doom Community set up before something bad happens with 40oz and he goes completely insane and another Doom discussion board is lost forever. The other alternatives, 4chan /vr/ is pozzed and filled with powertripping tranny jannies, the Russian Doom community is too foreign and disconnected, TimeofDoom boards is a meme forum with no users, Leddit is a worthless normie hideout with zero creative people and the ZGroom forums are an insane asylum, a lost cause. If there are any other communities out there, I've never heard of them. Those are probably Discord shitholes, and we all know what's going on in those places.
Related to the above: Do you know if there are any members of KFD1 or 2 who originally came from Doomworld, the ZDoom Forums, or the Doomer Boards? If so, have particular people been motivators behind making a KF Doom community?
Particular users as motivation? No, not really. The first project by Judge Dredd was nothing more than an experiment, to see how willing people are to make some maps for fun. Judge Dredd had plans to go into Quake / Half-Life mapping projects, but the reality is, that those are just too complicated to make. Plus nobody would be playing them, it's a fact.
The motivation behind the second project was to make a quality product, or at the very least a quality shitpost. I think we managed to do both at the same time.
Is there anything else short and sweet either of you want to say about the Farms/DOOM/Gaming in general, or just any other kind of closing statement?
I got no good closing statement ready. It would either sound melodramatic or really gay. So instead, here's a bunch of trivia about Kiwi Dreams.
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Trivia time
The two Kiwis in the smoking area aren't just sperging about made up stuff. A lot of the stuff they're saying is a reference to something that happened during or before the development of Kiwi Dreams.
"It lost its charm" - Some Kiwifarmer was rambling on 4chan /vr/ about screenshots of the project, saying it would have been much better to have stayed a simple map pack. The hub idea would be terrible and make everything worse.
"One guy even got PTSD from hearing some song about "Girls having fun" - Reference to a post by
@Dull Pencil , who suffered for three hours on the hardest map in KF1, "Stinkditch Fortress". This map is notorious for playing the midi version of "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" on repeat.
"That one dude, who shut off his video feed in the third area" - Reference to the failed stream attempt by
@Grayson Death Carlyle . Yes I was there, I saw it all. There is no archive. He was brutalized on my KF1 map.
"Cloud server protection" - Reference to Null who had to upgrade to Kiwi Flare due to constant troon DDOS attacks.
"Designated shitting spot" - An inside joke about Kiwis (hopefully) getting their own Doom forum some day.
"Fucking soyjacks" - The outrage we received for using the Cyberchud on 4chan /vr/. They were and still are pissing on us for that.
"Never make it as far as Moonman did" - Some schizo on 4chan /vr/ ranted about the preview screenshots of KFDoom2, comparing it to he Moonman mod, saying that it will never be good and that we're just tryhard /pol/ wannabe edgelords.
The retarded Chuddy - LXIX - The yikes rant is an almost word to word transcript of the rant in this old (2015?) video:
https://uploads.kiwifarms.st/data/video/6845/6845697-1cfc0dfea2106e73d1032b151ab43fba.mp4
The pancakes picture in the break room is an old, very early AI-generated version of the Piccolo dick meme.
We placed the old "For a good time visit Doomer Boards" logo specifically in the archive to shit on Doomworld for banning their projects again. Fuck Doomworld.
The Troonworld Bingo picture was created by me and was a remade version of
@Übermensch Doom Cuck 's first BINGO attempt. It is much older than Kiwi Dreams and we just put it in as a a little bonus.
The patrolling chuddy was internally called "Elmer Chud". (very obvious, duh)
The Sonichu medallion on the floor has visible scorch marks on the ears. This is a reference to Chris Chan's housefire.
The choice of music for the hub happened almost randomly. When I started looking for music, I went through my .mp3 collection and blindly clicked on the first music that was laying around and it happened to be the ATTACK OF THE PETSCII ROBOTS laboratory theme, which I blindly downloaded several years earlier when I got all of the "
Retro Grooves" tracks by Anders Enger Jensen. Up to this point I seriously, and I'm not joking, never listened to this track before. Immediately it started to click. I took this track and started playing it in the early alpha version of the KF lab hub, just walking around a bit and then it hit me that it was the perfect music. It was zany and mysterious, yet calming. And that's why all the other tracks in the main hub are by the same artist in the end.
I can't think of more trivia stuff right now. I think that should be enough for now.
