Kiwi Farms Community Doom Mapping Project

[Kung Pow]

@Kung Pow KaoticFears has a Portal error and some warnings which might effect progression. I don't know, I've not done a full playthrough yet.

I gave my map a playtest in the beta and everything looks okay, maybe if I played it in full there might be some problem? I dunno.
One balancing issue that I found is that the Enter The Balldo map ends with the player having 10% health and doesn't recover when the player goes to the next map.
Placing one Soul Sphere on the next map should be enough, or you could just change the order of the maps.

 

[Dull Pencil]

Ok, I've played through all the maps, and they were pretty great I must say. I like personally the simpler D1 style maps. But the fortress stage was pretty amazing, except listening to Cyndi Lauper for ~3h was pretty .
There was one stinker though and that was the Patrick intestines one. You could not see anything and I found no health or armor. So I figured the best way to beat it was just to rush through the darkness and ignore everything until you found the end. I also didn't like that you had no map in Kaotic Fears. Running around in the maze(with portals) in darkness was not that great with no map.
Dialation Station 41 is too hard for the first map. I would put the tiny island map first.


Bugs.
YWNB has a door in the graveyard that requires a yellow keycard, but there is none in the map. I had to cheat to get around that so that has to be fixed. You can't beat it right now unless I missed something.

The performance in Kaotic Fears in the center torch/mirror room is pretty bad. Add to that that the stage loops through portals does not help. Every time I looked at that room the FPS tanked hard so I think that needs to be looked at. Maybe reduce the amount of times the mirrors reflect/hall of mirrors?

@Judge Dredd, you have put some graphics in the wrong folders so they don't work in game.
- TSCRN2.png should be in the "patches" folder. But it's included in the planet texture so this does not matter.
- COL6A0.png is in "textures" but should be in "sprites".
- PS20A0.lmp is in "textures" but should be in "patches". Right now all poison signs show the original graphic.

In the Balldo map the door sounds do not work. I could not find my custom sound sequence lump so I guess you never extracted it from the wad. I "think" it should be placed in the root and MAPINFO will find it.

Tweaks.
It looks like all the maps are designed for pistol start, so I suggest to add "ResetHealth" and "ResetInventory" to all maps in MAPINFO. That would also fix the problem of starting with too low health.

It also looks like no map requires jumping or crouching. I think you should add "NoJump" and "NoCrouch" to all maps in MAPINFO. I was able to get to spots you absolutely were not meant to be and/or getting stuck.

Only 2 of the maps does not allow for free look. Rats Den and Server Suicided I think. I don't think having free look in those maps breaks anything so maybe add it to those too so everything is consistent?


I think that's all for now. Good shit everyone!

Edit: Oh yea forgot, there should absolutely be a credits and "Thank You for playing" text at the end of the episodes.

 

[Pierre D'Olnique]

YWNB has a door in the graveyard that requires a yellow keycard, but there is none in the map. I had to cheat to get around that so that has to be fixed. You can't beat it right now unless I missed something.

Oh. Um. Pretty sure the shotgunner right next to the door is supposed to drop it. I'll check real quick.

It's there, and he drops it as expected... assuming you do not gib him. That seems to bug the keycard spawn.

 

[Dull Pencil]

Oh. Um. Pretty sure the shotgunner right next to the door is supposed to drop it. I'll check real quick.

You are right. I just checked and a shotgunner does have it, but it did not drop for me. Odd.

 

[Kung Pow]

The performance in Kaotic Fears in the center torch/mirror room is pretty bad. Add to that that the stage loops through portals does not help. Every time I looked at that room the FPS tanked hard so I think that needs to be looked at. Maybe reduce the amount of times the mirrors reflect/hall of mirrors?

Mirrors are just bad for performance, but I like them so much. It wasn't that bad, was it?
The dark labyrinth was part of the challenge, it didn't look that big in the editor. I can see why people might not like it.

 

[Dull Pencil]

Mirrors are just bad for performance, but I like them so much. It wasn't that bad, was it?

I have a GTX 2080, and it went to 20-30 fps. People with toasters will cry. (My map suffer a bit of this too...) You don't have to remove them, but maybe reduce their quality a bit?

The dark labyrinth was part of the challenge, it didn't look that big in the editor. I can see why people might not like it.

Yea I get it, but imagine someone like Null playing it...

It's there, and he drops it as expected... assuming you do not gib him. That seems to bug the keycard spawn.

That would explain it. Maybe change it to an enemy that doesn't get gib'ed?

 

[ArticleWriter]

Eveee is a degenerate fruit map - I understand that this is a beginner's map, but a simple fast fix for these screwed up door textures would be to just put a dot right in the middle and then push the door texture on one side until it looks "ok". And I don't mean that the original author needs to do that, you can fix that in under a minute, Judge. The door will still function normally after applying that fix to all sides.

Also there are some missing textures on the backside of the end switch.

 

[Kung Pow]

@Judge Dredd, you can remove some of mirrors due to performance issues, specially the ones in the middle of Kaotic Fears temple it is like 8 linedefs,
I don't really care if you want to change or not anything on my map.
I can provide an update for my map that goes beyond just this minor fix if you really want to.

 

[Judge Dredd]

One balancing issue that I found is that the Enter The Balldo map ends with the player having 10% health and doesn't recover when the player goes to the next map.
Placing one Soul Sphere on the next map should be enough, or you could just change the order of the maps.

Good catch. I'll add the reset health parameter to be default.

I've played through all the maps, and they were pretty great I must say. I like personally the simpler D1 style maps.

Same.

YWNB has a door in the graveyard that requires a yellow keycard, but there is none in the map. I had to cheat to get around that so that has to be fixed. You can't beat it right now unless I missed something.

If you're using weapon/character mods it can break sometimes. There is also a missing texture on the step of the blue key, but it's not game breaking and you have to go out of your way to notice, so I'll leave it alone.

I enjoyed the prison secret.

@Judge Dredd, you have put some graphics in the wrong folders so they don't work in game.
- TSCRN2.png should be in the "patches" folder. But it's included in the planet texture so this does not matter.
- COL6A0.png is in "textures" but should be in "sprites".
- PS20A0.lmp is in "textures" but should be in "patches". Right now all poison signs show the original graphic.

Another good catch.

I did notice the poison sign but didn't realise it was your texture being broken. Will fix those.

Only 2 of the maps does not allow for free look. Rats Den and Server Suicided I think. I don't think having free look in those maps breaks anything so maybe add it to those too so everything is consistent?

I did consider that. Same with no jumping. Some can be broken by jumping out of bounds. I generally leave things to the mappers choice.

This is also why I want to leave the music for the title map as stock, because that's the song the mapper chose. I've yet to go through the suggestions.

Eveee is a degenerate fruit map - I understand that this is a beginner's map, but a simple fast fix for these screwed up door textures would be to just put a dot right in the middle and then push the door texture on one side until it looks "ok". And I don't mean that the original author needs to do that, you can fix that in under a minute, Judge. The door will still function normally after applying that fix to all sides.

@Judge Dredd, you can remove some of mirrors due to performance issues, specially the ones in the middle of Kaotic Fears temple it is like 8 linedefs,
I don't really care if you want to change or not anything on my map

I didn't notice performance problems, but mine is a fairly modern PC.

Though if it's not game breaking, I'm leaving it alone. I highlighted Kaotic Fears because I didn't know if the portal errors would stop progression. As long as it works, it's fine. We're well past the point of cosmetic changes. So unless it's a major problem, best leave it for now.

 

[Athlon]

Cuz my Gzdoom can't read long music names (more than 8 chars), and otherwise it's pretty good at running the wad, I've renamed some music and did so for mapinfo. Also I've added KFTITLE and KFINTER midis, which I suggested before, and if there are objections, I can concede KFTITLE to something else, but would like my KFINTER to stay.

Both I put in the /music/ and MAPINFO.

This zip only contains a new music folder and an edited MAPINFO.

 

[Pierre D'Olnique]

That would explain it. Maybe change it to an enemy that doesn't get gib'ed?

I might increase the difficulty of that area in general, it always felt too easy unless you entered it at like 20% HP. Maybe add some lost souls and move the keycard spawn to one of them.

 

[Dull Pencil]

If you're using weapon/character mods it can break sometimes.

Huh? I I'm not using any mods. This is as plain as you can get in GZDoom.

I did consider that. Same with no jumping. Some can be broken by jumping out of bounds. I generally leave things to the mappers choice.

If you can get out of bounds from jumping then the mapper didn't consider this. Isn't it better to change this for the sake of the player? No one wants to get stuck in a map.

I didn't notice performance problems, but mine is a fairly modern PC.

So is mine. Could you share your light/mirror settings? Maybe I fucked up something at some point.

 

[Hax1337]

It also looks like no map requires jumping or crouching. I think you should add "NoJump" and "NoCrouch" to all maps in MAPINFO. I was able to get to spots you absolutely were not meant to be and/or getting stuck.

There is a secret switch on Fatrick Mansion that can only be accessed by jumping up 2 chest height platforms and then doing a sprint jump.

@Judge Dredd let me know if you are going to disable jumping so I can make it no-jump accessible.

 

[Dull Pencil]

@Judge Dredd let me know if you are going to disable jumping so I can make it no-jump accessible.

Nono, don't change the map. If it's made for jumping it should remain such.

 

[Judge Dredd]

This is looking close to done.

@Pillar of Autism are we sticking with the stock music, or do you want one of the songs suggested in the thread?

 

[Pierre D'Olnique]

Kay, added a lost soul above every tombstone and changed the keycard-holding shotgunner to a Pinky, since it's the least threatening monster in the "can't be gibbed" category. Randomly exploding the room with the BFG shouldn't softlock the map now.

It looks like all the maps are designed for pistol start, so I suggest to add "ResetHealth" and "ResetInventory" to all maps in MAPINFO. That would also fix the problem of starting with too low health.

2dumb for that. Feel free to add it in my place.

 

[Dull Pencil]

2dumb for that. Feel free to add it in my place.

That's ok. That was meant for the Judge since he does the final tuning.

 

[Roxanne Wolf]

The creator of the KIWI2041 map has updated their map to fix the improper exit. They again have asked me to post this on their behalf for the contest.

Enjoy!

 

[Pillar of Autism]

This is looking close to done.

@Pillar of Autism are we sticking with the stock music, or do you want one of the songs suggested in the thread?

I've looked through the suggestions, and I like the ones posted by @Athlon here https://kiwifarms.st/threads/kiwi-farms-community-doom-mapping-project.180151/page-12#post-17753569

 

[Judge Dredd]

KFDoom Beta 3 is ready. I don't see any bugs, so unless someone reports something, I'll release this as version 1 tomorrow. As it is, it seems to be finished.