Ladybird Browser - die Google, die

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The web is one of the most important inventions of the modern era, fueling the growth of the internet and changing the way many of us live, work, learn, and play. It's a technical marvel both for what it enables us to do and the way it's built - collaboratively and in the open. It wasn't always this way, but today's web is a testament to the power of open standards and open source.


In fact, it was open source, open standards, and healthy competition that pulled the web out of the dark days of the 2000s and into the innovative bonanza of the 2010s when Google Chrome, heavily influenced by Firefox, started gaining mainstream momentum.


Today, every major browser engine is open source, which is wonderful, but there's still one issue: they're all funded by Google's advertising empire. Chrome, Edge, Brave, Arc, and Opera all use Google's Chromium. Apple receives billions to make Google the default search engine in Safari, and Firefox has a similar deal where they receive hundreds of millions each year.


The web is too essential to have one primary source of funding, and too important to have that source of funding be advertising.


Many people say that it's impossible to build a new browser and that you could never unseat Google Chrome. Well, you don't have to unseat Google Chrome to make a difference - Firefox is proof of that. Firefox has never been the most popular browser, but it has majorly influenced every popular browser and made the web a better place.


As for whether you can build a new browser... it's already happening.


That's why I believe that Ladybird, a new browser written completely from scratch, and the Ladybird Browser Initiative, a nonprofit funded exclusively by donations whose sole purpose is the development of the Ladybird browser, can make a difference.


The world needs a browser that puts people first, contributes to open standards using a brand new engine, and is free from advertising's influence.


This is why I've co-founded the Ladybird Browser Initiative with Andreas and my family has pledged $1M to support Ladybird's development. I believe in Ladybird and I believe in Andreas' vision, and I hope you'll help us support an open, independent browser that supports you.


Chris Wanstrath
GitHub Founder
 
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Catboy Ranch said:
In fact, it was open source, open standards, and healthy competition that pulled the web out of the dark days of the 2000s and into the innovative bonanza of the 2010s when Google Chrome, heavily influenced by Firefox, started gaining mainstream momentum.
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I thought this was for ease of compatibility. It's not like there aren't chromimum browsers that tell you they aren't keeping and selling data.
 
The world needs a browser that puts people first, contributes to open standards using a brand new engine, and is free from advertising's influence.
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What's this, a new browser that doesn't use Webkit/Blink or Gecko‽
 
More competition is always good. Wish them all the best in their endeavors. Google can get fucked.
 
Trannies attacking it is a good sign someone in corporate thinks its a threat.

Its also entertaining seeing the doomers in the comments whenever this is mentioned. "You can't just make a new web engine! Its too much!". Often with the implication that you NEED to be supporting Mozilla.
 
Kosher Dill said:
No, because this browser will still have to implement the same megabloated Google-authored web standards as everyone else. But the project is commendable nonetheless.
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this. remember one of the reasons old opera stopped being a thing because of having to support all the shitty "standards" pushed by market share and w3c being retards not being adamant on said standards, leading to constantly have to work around shoddy implementations "because it doesn't look like in ie/firefox/chrome/whatever current" or outright "it doesn't do everything".
 
Heard about this a fair bit.

Originally, this browser was made for a hobby-OS called "SerenityOS". However, the creator of both dropped Ladybird and made it Open-Source so that he can focus entirely on SerenityOS. The goal of Serenity was to make EVERYTHING by scratch, including the web-browser. The fact that he got to the point he did is admirable. Awesome he open-sourced it. Can't wait to try it out once it gets to a usable state.

ForkyMeetsPorky said:
And the activists have already started attacking it...

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Stupid and ignorant as this might sound, but just ignore it.

It's open-source, if ignorant activists don't like it, no one can really stop Ladybird's development, since, you know, it's open-source. Best we can do is just ignore it and support or contribute.

It's also important to note how no other news source has covered this "controversy" other than Lunduke. Shows how unimportant this issue is.
 
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Chromium is a plague and I wish these guys the best of luck with the absolute hellscape that is the HTML5 spec. The printable PDF of the current version is 1400 pages long and it's intentionally designed as a moving target with constant changes to make it as difficult as possible to fulfill.
 
FUTO just announced a $200k grant to the Ladybird project:
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With this and the $1 million Chris Wanstrath put into Ladybird, it seems to be well funded.
 
This browser project is interesting enough that I think I will go through the trouble of building the OS just to test this out. I just hope the people funding the project don't inject DEI bullshit into it. Money does strange things to otherwise reasonable folks.
 
Spergles said:
This browser project is interesting enough that I think I will go through the trouble of building the OS just to test this out. I just hope the people funding the project don't inject DEI bullshit into it. Money does strange things to otherwise reasonable folks.
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On the positive side, it's open source, so if it does fall to DEI, then someone will just fork it.
 
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