EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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Image captionPolice attend as protesters block a motorway in Antibes
"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
Can't keep up with this autism can someone fill me in?
 
:offtopic: (I don't take sides in that debate because I already have other things I worry about so the question is asked 100 percent neutral) So how do you explain when the weather multiple times a years goes completely out of whack?
Oh no, hurricanes in the hurricane corridor and tornadoes in tornado alley, this must be the work of climate change
 
If we see the EU disintegrate because of a French military coup I think I can safely say that I didn't see that one coming.
 
I've been listening to interviews with locals about this. Not only did the fuel tax come in an EU environment bill, but that same bill had a law that made it illegal to criticise the EU migration policies. So while the govt said the tax is to stop climate change, no-one believes it. The French know it's to fund the huge cost of all the immigrants they've taken in who are on welfare and don't work. The protests have been going on almost a month now with numbers starting at 200K+ initally and still number in the tens of thousands. The feeling is the protests will be ongoing and probably through Christmas.

Big image attached found on /pol/ but it has a list of events involving The Yellow Vests:

Yellow Vests have been doing stuff in the provinces before marching on Paris.
One interrupted government proceedings by throwing a yellow vest onto the floor and saying "next time we come, we're taking over everything".
A group went to a prefecture in Haute-Loire, which are the seats of govt. Demanded the prefect come out and submit to the will of the mob.
When he refused, the group set the building on fire with him in it.

Other stuff:

Protesters have videoed police arriving, changing into civilian clothes and yellow vests. Then joining the crowds and starting to throw punches at other protesters. It's reminded people of Macron's security staff pretending to be police and bashing protesters only earlier this year:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...al-alexandre-benalla-filmed-hitting-protester

Seems that the govt are trying to subvert the group but people are aware of this tactic by now.

Now Macron wants to get the army involved and is doubling down. This whole thing is getting uglier by the day.
 

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If the military gets involved, I believe there's a good chance that a flashpoint is going to happen and one of three outcomes are possible:

A) The French citizenry roll over and stop protesting.
B) The military stands down and refuses to act, leaving Macron to face the music.
C) The beginning of a civil war or military coup, which might bring the EU either to its knees or they bring France to its knees to keep things running.
 
Oh no, hurricanes in the hurricane corridor and tornadoes in tornado alley, this must be the work of climate change
I guess you didn't read the post where I said I wasn't for or against Climate Change and was asking that neutrally and was trying to understand how what was the actual explanation. I didn't mention the hurricane corridor or tornadoes, those are normal

If we see the EU disintegrate because of a French military coup I think I can safely say that I didn't see that one coming.
1848 revolutions in Europe happened after the coup/revolution in France that installed the Second Republic
 
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I've been listening to interviews with locals about this. Not only did the fuel tax come in an EU environment bill, but that same bill had a law that made it illegal to criticise the EU migration policies. So while the govt said the tax is to stop climate change, no-one believes it. The French know it's to fund the huge cost of all the immigrants they've taken in who are on welfare and don't work. The protests have been going on almost a month now with numbers starting at 200K+ initally and still number in the tens of thousands. The feeling is the protests will be ongoing and probably through Christmas.

Big image attached found on /pol/ but it has a list of events involving The Yellow Vests:

Yellow Vests have been doing stuff in the provinces before marching on Paris.
One interrupted government proceedings by throwing a yellow vest onto the floor and saying "next time we come, we're taking over everything".
A group went to a prefecture in Haute-Loire, which are the seats of govt. Demanded the prefect come out and submit to the will of the mob.
When he refused, the group set the building on fire with him in it.

Other stuff:

Protesters have videoed police arriving, changing into civilian clothes and yellow vests. Then joining the crowds and starting to throw punches at other protesters. It's reminded people of Macron's security staff pretending to be police and bashing protesters only earlier this year:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...al-alexandre-benalla-filmed-hitting-protester

Seems that the govt are trying to subvert the group but people are aware of this tactic by now.

Now Macron wants to get the army involved and is doubling down. This whole thing is getting uglier by the day.
So he learned NOTHING from Louis Xvi mistakes I see
 
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