EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
If the military gets involved, I believe there's a good chance that a flashpoint is going to happen and one of three outcomes are possible:

A) The French citizenry roll over and stop protesting.
B) The military stands down and refuses to act, leaving Macron to face the music.
C) The beginning of a civil war or military coup, which might bring the EU either to its knees or they bring France to its knees to keep things running.

A) is possible, and of these options, only that will likely come to pass. C) is completely impossible, for so many reasons that I don't care to elaborate on them. B) is very unlikely, bordering on impossible. This is France we're talking about, not some third-world shithole dictatorship.
 
If the military gets involved, I believe there's a good chance that a flashpoint is going to happen and one of three outcomes are possible:

A) The French citizenry roll over and stop protesting.
B) The military stands down and refuses to act, leaving Macron to face the music.
C) The beginning of a civil war or military coup, which might bring the EU either to its knees or they bring France to its knees to keep things running.

I'd love to see B happen. All this talk about how great a leader he is and how the EU and France are so strong and united, only to get BTFO by a bunch of frogs in yellow vests. The egg on his face would go down in history.
 
I guess you didn't read the post where I said I wasn't for or against Climate Change and was asking that neutrally and was trying to understand how what was the actual explanation. I didn't mention the hurricane corridor or tornadoes, those are normal
Doesn't matter if you believe in it or not, but you can't just say "the weather has been extreme"

As climate change believers like to parrot all the time, weather doesn't equal climate, and there's nothing particularly special about the weather either, drought in the middle east isn't exactly snow in the Sahara, and typhoons in typhoon season is a given

The French government are surrendering as per usual.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46437904

Will this stop the Yellow Jackets though?
Kinda hoping the people will smell weakness and push towards ousting the head of state that thinks nationalism is evil
 
The French are generally pretty tolerant of shit. Because they're French, and shit's hard enough. The second you start to impacting the day-to-day life of the average Frenchie, however, the baguettes, Jean Reno movies, and cigarettes get put away and out come the fucking knives and guillotines. It's always been like this: You can get away with damned near anything in France, but the second you start hitting them in ways that fuck over their lives, the citizenry will plot to fucking destroy your ass.

It's kind of amazing how no matter how many leaders in France come and go across multiple fields of government, none of them ever seem to learn this single rule of dealing with the French.
 
So the situation in France is:

1. Fuel prices raised
2. Fuel prices are too expensive, inciting protests
3. Macron and his cronies respond with "let them eat cake"-tier bullshit
4. Shit gets out of control
5. Enemies of Macron use this to fuel political bids

Am I getting this right?
 
So the situation in France is:
1. Fuel prices raised
2. Fuel prices are too expensive, inciting protests
3. Macron and his cronies respond with "let them eat cake"-tier bullshit
4. Shit gets out of control
5. Enemies of Macron use this to fuel political bids

Am I getting this right?
2 : it's the fuel prices and a bunch of other stuff actually
5 : not really, it's such a huge mess that's it's pretty much impossible for anyone to take advantage of it. There's far-left, far-right and completely random people protesting together with a lot of unclear/crazy demands or even none at all, a few politicians tried to cash in on it but the answer is more or less "yeaaaaah no fuck you too", there were a bunch of yellow vests who were more or less elected to talk to the government but then they got hundreds of death threats so most opted out. Honestly it feels a little like a real life incarnation of the internet hate machine, it's a lot of fun to watch.

So today the prime minister announced they would delay the fuel price increase and the new vehicle inspection measures for 6 months and "think about it", and also freeze energy prices for the same duration, but at this point all bets are off as to what's gonna happen next and everyone is nervously waiting to see how saturday's gonna go.

Edit : also high school kids joined in today, and high school protests are notorious for being rather unpredictable themselves (although on a different level), because well they're stupid kids.
 
:offtopic: (I don't take sides in that debate because I already have other things I worry about so the question is asked 100 percent neutral) So how do you explain when the weather multiple times a years goes completely out of whack?
Can you give an example? Because the actual global warming that has actually measurably happened is 1 degree C over 50 years. So did last wednesday feel 0.001C cooler than it "should have"?

If you're talking about global warming/climate change in relation to any given event, you don't understand what global warming even is supposed to be.

I understand that this is a commonly parrotted argument in the media, but think about it. What weather is out of whack? Are you sure it's not just the fact that weather is unpredictable and people have confirmation bias? Remember how fucking dumb some conservatives looked when it snowed early one year and they were like "See global warming is fake cuz otherwise why snow today?"

The changes in global warming are over extremely long periods of time, and extremely small in amplitude. Of course, you can also blame random shit on it, but Pat Robertson could blame that same random shit on gay people.
 
A) is possible, and of these options, only that will likely come to pass. C) is completely impossible, for so many reasons that I don't care to elaborate on them. B) is very unlikely, bordering on impossible. This is France we're talking about, not some third-world shithole dictatorship.

I think you are overky optomisti . But A and B are not mutually exclusive. The French Military will likely not in any way acquiese to be turned on or used against thed French populace. The Generals will tell Macron and the Gendarmes to Get Bent, and stay completely out of it.
 
This would be the fourth revolution France has had.

You'd think after the third one they'd get the idea that the French will readily violently overthrow any government that gets too big for it's britches.

But you'd also think that after the first time Europe was invaded en masse by muslims and how awful that was, that people would've learned that some religions and cultures have irreconcilable differences and those differences should be kept in mind when deciding whether or not to let people into your country.

Why nobody seems to take the whole "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it" concept seriously, I don't know. Hubris, maybe.
 
You'd think after the third one they'd get the idea that the French will readily violently overthrow any government that gets too big for it's britches.
They learned the wrong lesson I think. The current republic was designed specifically so that no matter how much civil unrest and political strife would plague the country, power would remain firmly in the hands of the executive branch of the government, with the President basically being able to fuck everyone's shit if he so pleases. He can bypass the parliament at will, for example.

The obvious result is the ruling class growing more and more detached from the people they're supposed to rule. After all, why give a fuck if you're untouchable ? Now few complained as long as things were okay, but nowadays things are shit and so there's this growing sentiment among the French that the nobility has returned, which fuels the enmity between the 1% and everybody else. The government responding to genuine criticism with "lol fuck those ignorant peasants" only adds fuel to the fire.

Also, Macaroni the "super progressive" that the international media endlessly praise is responsible for giving more autocratic power to the President than ever before, by covertly transferring the emergency powers intended for grave threats to national security to his own. Which means for example that now your home can be raided without need of a warrant. Strangely none of the leftards commented on this. Really it's like that mummy-fucking manlet is begging for it.
 
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https://www.challenges.fr/patrimoin...cron-renovent-l-elysee-en-pleine-crise_629789
Potato English said:
In the midst of the "Gilets Jaunes" crisis, the Macrons are renovating the Elysée palace

Carpets, curtains, furniture ... In the midst of the crisis of "yellow vests", the presidential couple kicked off extensive work in the hall of the Elysée Palace. A dedusting estimated at 500,000 euros.

This is called bad timing. While the growl of "yellow vests" continues to grow throughout France, the presidential couple kicked off last November 23 to extensive work in the hall of the Elysee . Carpets, curtains, furniture, nothing is too beautiful to give a big facelift to this vast palace located at 55, rue du Faubourg-Saint-Honoré. Dust removal, with a total estimated cost of over € 100 million, has been strongly recommended by the Court of Auditors over a period of seven years.

In the columns of the World dating from November 30, Brigitte Macron did not hesitate to justify these works by evoking a "fortress that was protected from the outside." "We had the impression that the Elysee Palace had become a fortress that protected itself from the outside, we will lighten and purify, the light must come in," she said. For an amount of 500,000 euros, the first building of the village hall will run until 2020, under the watchful eye of Brigitte Macron. In all, more than 120 people are mobilized to restore more than 1,000 square meters in the palace, including the village hall, but also the Napoleon III and the winter garden.

With Challenges, the Elysee has argued that the timetable was stopped in October 2017, "about a year ago." The Elysee was not able to postpone this date, because the impact would have been too important on the organization of the palace itself. And the more we reject this work, the more they are likely to be expensive, so did the Elysee.

The keys to the project were partially entrusted to Mobilier National, which Hervé Lemoine has been managing since last February. "This project will give a contemporary vision of the Elysee, and will honor a unique French know-how," said Hervé Lemoine in an interview with Le Figaro. Interviewed by Challenges last September, the director of Mobilier National already mentioned this renovation project undertaken under the Macron presidency. "The president wanted us to redecorate the Elysee and that the furniture renews its decorative frame.It is a way for him to show this expertise in this space that is almost the first showroom in France." For several months, the little hands of the Mobilier National are in no small way to restore the great tapestries of the village hall dating from the eighteenth century.

The cost of the works of this single room is estimated at more than 500,000 euros. During the presentation of the project last September, the services of the Elysee have preceded the critics, ensuring that this work will be partly funded by the sale of derivatives. Of the 347,000 euros generated by sales, 12% were used to restore the Elysée Palace. Contacted by CheckNews last November 26, the Elysee has justified such expenses: "It was difficult to make the decision to close for a month this room, not being able to use it, but the work was absolutely necessary The president has taken on this responsibility, which today costs hundreds of thousands of euros would have cost twice tomorrow ". The fact is that the pill can not go wrong with these French people who fight every day to defend their purchasing power.
Excellent timing, mon cher Manu!
 
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