EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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Image captionPolice attend as protesters block a motorway in Antibes
"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
So here's the Presidential speech of Emmanuel Macron (notes taken as it happened): My comments are in bolded italics. The rest is a live translation of the speech, which lasted 13 minutes.
They start by announcing that the Yellow Vest movement still has over 70% popular support.
*cue national anthem*

Macron: This crisis has troubled the nation. This violence will be severely reprimanded. Lots of opportunists and political opponents are seeking anarchy. No anger is worth attacking and hurting policemen. Nobody should be afraid to disagree with the movement. (He basically targets his far left and far right opponents who have largely supported the Yellow Vest movement)
We will put all efforts to stop the violence and the civil unrest. We will do so with extreme prejudice and severity.

This indignation shared by a lot of French people. And i don't want to reduce it to the violence. First, the violence was against the fuel taxe, which we cancelled for next year.
(Then he singles out some handicapped, immigrants, and otherwise poor women he supposedly talked to that were mad about the state of the country.)
We've had 40 years of democratic unease. This crisis comes from afar. (Basically saying I've inherited this state of affairs, not my fault).

We haven't been able to get a fast enough answer to these issues in a year and a half. I apologise for this. I apologise for not giving it enough priority. I want to be crystal clear with you - I love this country, and this is why I fought to change the political climate. I gain my legitimacy from you, not from any party or political movement.
I want to change France. For us, for the world, for our people.

I have foreseen this crisis, which is why I ran for President. I decree a state of economic and social urgency. We need to reform schools, to get better universities. We will heavily invest in education.

I want to intervene fast for people being able to live from their honest work. Extra hours will not be taxed from 2019. The end of the year bonuses won't be taxed. The minimum wage will increase by 100 euros / month. All starting 2019. Retired people that get under 2k euros/month won't get an increase on taxes in 2019 either.

I will gather prominent citizens to discuss all of these changes. I won't go back on the cancellation of the Tax on the Fortune. It was driving rich people away and ruining the economy. I will keep it for land owners though. We will go hard after those that try to avoid taxes.

We need to conduct a profound reform of the state. To have a national debate, we need to assume our duties and responsibilities. We also need to change to understand our debt regarding climate.

(Then he reiterates the importance of regional politics). I will see the mayors of France region by region in person.
But life has changed after a crisis of that magnitude. This is a historical moment, one we can get through with dialogue, engagement, and respect.
Long live the Republic, and long live France!
lmao yeah right.
 
So here's the Presidential speech of Emmanuel Macron (notes taken as it happened): My comments are in bolded italics. The rest is a live translation of the speech, which lasted 13 minutes.
They start by announcing that the Yellow Vest movement still has over 70% popular support.
*cue national anthem*

Macron: This crisis has troubled the nation. This violence will be severely reprimanded. Lots of opportunists and political opponents are seeking anarchy. No anger is worth attacking and hurting policemen. Nobody should be afraid to disagree with the movement. (He basically targets his far left and far right opponents who have largely supported the Yellow Vest movement)
We will put all efforts to stop the violence and the civil unrest. We will do so with extreme prejudice and severity.

This indignation shared by a lot of French people. And i don't want to reduce it to the violence. First, the violence was against the fuel taxe, which we cancelled for next year.
(Then he singles out some handicapped, immigrants, and otherwise poor women he supposedly talked to that were mad about the state of the country.)
We've had 40 years of democratic unease. This crisis comes from afar. (Basically saying I've inherited this state of affairs, not my fault).

We haven't been able to get a fast enough answer to these issues in a year and a half. I apologise for this. I apologise for not giving it enough priority. I want to be crystal clear with you - I love this country, and this is why I fought to change the political climate. I gain my legitimacy from you, not from any party or political movement.
I want to change France. For us, for the world, for our people.

I have foreseen this crisis, which is why I ran for President. I decree a state of economic and social urgency. We need to reform schools, to get better universities. We will heavily invest in education.

I want to intervene fast for people being able to live from their honest work. Extra hours will not be taxed from 2019. The end of the year bonuses won't be taxed. The minimum wage will increase by 100 euros / month. All starting 2019. Retired people that get under 2k euros/month won't get an increase on taxes in 2019 either.

I will gather prominent citizens to discuss all of these changes. I won't go back on the cancellation of the Tax on the Fortune. It was driving rich people away and ruining the economy. I will keep it for land owners though. We will go hard after those that try to avoid taxes.

We need to conduct a profound reform of the state. To have a national debate, we need to assume our duties and responsibilities. We also need to change to understand our debt regarding climate.

(Then he reiterates the importance of regional politics). I will see the mayors of France region by region in person.
But life has changed after a crisis of that magnitude. This is a historical moment, one we can get through with dialogue, engagement, and respect.
Long live the Republic, and long live France!

Claiming you're going to come down hard on rioters who have better approval ratings than you doesn't seem like a message that will fo over well. Am I wrong?
 
So here's the Presidential speech of Emmanuel Macron (notes taken as it happened): My comments are in bolded italics. The rest is a live translation of the speech, which lasted 13 minutes.
They start by announcing that the Yellow Vest movement still has over 70% popular support.
*cue national anthem*

Macron: This crisis has troubled the nation. This violence will be severely reprimanded. Lots of opportunists and political opponents are seeking anarchy. No anger is worth attacking and hurting policemen. Nobody should be afraid to disagree with the movement. (He basically targets his far left and far right opponents who have largely supported the Yellow Vest movement)
We will put all efforts to stop the violence and the civil unrest. We will do so with extreme prejudice and severity.

This indignation shared by a lot of French people. And i don't want to reduce it to the violence. First, the violence was against the fuel taxe, which we cancelled for next year.
(Then he singles out some handicapped, immigrants, and otherwise poor women he supposedly talked to that were mad about the state of the country.)
We've had 40 years of democratic unease. This crisis comes from afar. (Basically saying I've inherited this state of affairs, not my fault).

We haven't been able to get a fast enough answer to these issues in a year and a half. I apologise for this. I apologise for not giving it enough priority. I want to be crystal clear with you - I love this country, and this is why I fought to change the political climate. I gain my legitimacy from you, not from any party or political movement.
I want to change France. For us, for the world, for our people.

I have foreseen this crisis, which is why I ran for President. I decree a state of economic and social urgency. We need to reform schools, to get better universities. We will heavily invest in education.

I want to intervene fast for people being able to live from their honest work. Extra hours will not be taxed from 2019. The end of the year bonuses won't be taxed. The minimum wage will increase by 100 euros / month. All starting 2019. Retired people that get under 2k euros/month won't get an increase on taxes in 2019 either.

I will gather prominent citizens to discuss all of these changes. I won't go back on the cancellation of the Tax on the Fortune. It was driving rich people away and ruining the economy. I will keep it for land owners though. We will go hard after those that try to avoid taxes.

We need to conduct a profound reform of the state. To have a national debate, we need to assume our duties and responsibilities. We also need to change to understand our debt regarding climate.

(Then he reiterates the importance of regional politics). I will see the mayors of France region by region in person.
But life has changed after a crisis of that magnitude. This is a historical moment, one we can get through with dialogue, engagement, and respect.
Long live the Republic, and long live France!

Looks like I won my bet. I suspect Christmas is most likely going to be cancelled for the frogs this year just from the way Macron (or as I like to call him, Macaroon) has fucked up with this speech.
 
So here's the Presidential speech of Emmanuel Macron (notes taken as it happened): My comments are in bolded italics. The rest is a live translation of the speech, which lasted 13 minutes.
They start by announcing that the Yellow Vest movement still has over 70% popular support.
*cue national anthem*

Macron: This crisis has troubled the nation. This violence will be severely reprimanded. Lots of opportunists and political opponents are seeking anarchy. No anger is worth attacking and hurting policemen. Nobody should be afraid to disagree with the movement. (He basically targets his far left and far right opponents who have largely supported the Yellow Vest movement)
We will put all efforts to stop the violence and the civil unrest. We will do so with extreme prejudice and severity.

This indignation shared by a lot of French people. And i don't want to reduce it to the violence. First, the violence was against the fuel taxe, which we cancelled for next year.
(Then he singles out some handicapped, immigrants, and otherwise poor women he supposedly talked to that were mad about the state of the country.)
We've had 40 years of democratic unease. This crisis comes from afar. (Basically saying I've inherited this state of affairs, not my fault).

We haven't been able to get a fast enough answer to these issues in a year and a half. I apologise for this. I apologise for not giving it enough priority. I want to be crystal clear with you - I love this country, and this is why I fought to change the political climate. I gain my legitimacy from you, not from any party or political movement.
I want to change France. For us, for the world, for our people.

I have foreseen this crisis, which is why I ran for President. I decree a state of economic and social urgency. We need to reform schools, to get better universities. We will heavily invest in education.

I want to intervene fast for people being able to live from their honest work. Extra hours will not be taxed from 2019. The end of the year bonuses won't be taxed. The minimum wage will increase by 100 euros / month. All starting 2019. Retired people that get under 2k euros/month won't get an increase on taxes in 2019 either.

I will gather prominent citizens to discuss all of these changes. I won't go back on the cancellation of the Tax on the Fortune. It was driving rich people away and ruining the economy. I will keep it for land owners though. We will go hard after those that try to avoid taxes.

We need to conduct a profound reform of the state. To have a national debate, we need to assume our duties and responsibilities. We also need to change to understand our debt regarding climate.

(Then he reiterates the importance of regional politics). I will see the mayors of France region by region in person.
But life has changed after a crisis of that magnitude. This is a historical moment, one we can get through with dialogue, engagement, and respect.
Long live the Republic, and long live France!

I give him a month or two until he ends up with his head missing.
 
Claiming you're going to come down hard on rioters who have better approval ratings than you doesn't seem like a message that will fo over well. Am I wrong?

None of his speech was good.
1. The first thing he did was going after his political opponents and saying they corrupted the movement, which just sounds petty.
2. He used all the overused and expected rhetorical methods inept politicians use. "Oh let me single out that poor, handicapped, fictional, unnamed, black woman I supposedly talked to this past week to let you know I get your plight".
3. It took him over 7 minutes to announce any reforms or change.
4. Talk about his efforts to change the political establishment when he's the very definition of the political establishment (private school, classe préparatoire, ENA, banker for Rothschild...)
5. Saying he "foresaw the crisis, and this is why he went for President" when his reaction to said crisis was one of the worst ever. (That part actually made me laugh out loud).
6. And naturally concluding by saying provinces are being heard, and it's not just Paris, and highlighting the importance of regional politics by saying he'll meet with random mayors in person.

Basically, the problem with Macron is that most of his speech and policies in general rely a lot on his person and charisma. And once the cult of personality is broken, which has happened for most French people, it's just a lot of smoke, mirrors, and much ado about nothing.
 
French politicians talking about the economy is always guaranteed fun. The retirement age in France is 62 while the unemployment rate is at about 9,3%.

Here in Romandy the Swiss French always make jokes at how lazy they are.
they arent lazy, they just dont produce stuff people want.
 
The funny / horrifying thing as a non-Frenchman watching this is learning just how bad Macron's plans were, based on what he's walking back. A fucking tax on low income pensioners? What the fuck?


Those low income old people and their lack of money have been a scourge on France for too long, it's time to throw some tear gas at them...
 
The funny / horrifying thing as a non-Frenchman watching this is learning just how bad Macron's plans were, based on what he's walking back. A fucking tax on low income pensioners? What the fuck?

He’s gotta get money from somewhere. And it certainly isn’t from the rich Frenchmen that voted him in.

Either way making a martyr out of him won’t change much imo.

Oh and the communist leader called for an Act 5 of protests and riots this Saturday, so get your pichforks and gas masks ready, cause Paris’ gonna get hot!
 
Police shoot peoples eyes out and throw tear-gas/tnt grenades that other countrys don't use.
They also arrest literal school children and make them kneel while gloating at them.
Literally cordon off protestors so they can't leave and THEN tear gas them, basically torturing civilians

People fight back.

"There's no excuse to be violent towards police."
:thinking:
 
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He’s gotta get money from somewhere. And it certainly isn’t from the rich Frenchmen that voted him in.

Either way making a martyr out of him won’t change much imo.

Oh and the communist leader called for an Act 5 of protests and riots this Saturday, so get your pichforks and gas masks ready, cause Paris’ gonna get hot!

So is the military loyalist to Macron, or just waiting it out?
 
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