EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
Interesting. Let's see if they actually abide by it.

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France Bans the Use of Tear Gas Grenades Against Protesters After Demonstrators Maimed
The tear gas grenade was described as a weapon of war in police manuals. Three years ago French authorities banned the use of the OF-F1 stun grenade after a young demonstrator was killed in the city of Toulouse.

French authorities have banned the use of the GLI-F4 grenade after several protesters sustained serious injuries, losing hands and fingers. In an interview with television channel France 3, Interior Minister Christophe Castaner said the tear gas grenade, which is described as a weapon of war in manuals, would no longer be used by law enforcement officials as too many people have been injured. The minister stressed that the ban would take immediate effect.

Protests against Emmanuel Macron’s policies continue across the country. Demonstrators often clash with police officers, who use tears gas in order to disperse protesters. In December 2018, a man had his hand torn off after he picked up a CLI-F4 grenade and tried to throw it away. Another demonstrator lost his fingers attempting to toss the grenade.
France was the only country that used the GLI-F4, which contains an explosive charge of 26 grams of TNT. In 2017, French authorities banned the OF-F1 stun grenade because it was linked to the death of a 21-year-old man. Botanist and environmental campaigner Remi Fraisse was killed during a protest against the construction of a dam in the city of Toulouse.

Members of the Yellow Vests social movement, named after yellow visibility vests all drivers are required to have in their vehicles, have been protesting in major French cities since 2018. Initially, the demonstrators rallied against the rise of fuel prices and high cost of living, but the protests later widened into opposition against President Emmanuel Macron and his government. Demonstrators believe the Macron's proposed policies favour the elite and hurt the working class. The recent rallies in the country are against proposed pension reform.
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Also in case you were wondering the police and firefighters are still a little, shall we say, adversarial with one another


I still find it so surreal to see cops and firefighters in a first world nation literally punching each other in the streets; let alone cops and firefighters from the same city. Like, imagine the NYPD and FDNY having an open air Fight Club in Times Square :story:

 
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So the strikes are over, or at least on hold for now. There are more protests planned, but as far as strikes go the RATP (the public transport operator in Paris) said they just can't afford being on strike any longer. Said strike lasted for 52 consecutive days, a new record in the country.

Just more proof that nothing can oust Macaroni from office.
 
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Interesting. Let's see if they actually abide by it.

----Article Start----​
France Bans the Use of Tear Gas Grenades Against Protesters After Demonstrators Maimed
The tear gas grenade was described as a weapon of war in police manuals. Three years ago French authorities banned the use of the OF-F1 stun grenade after a young demonstrator was killed in the city of Toulouse.

French authorities have banned the use of the GLI-F4 grenade after several protesters sustained serious injuries, losing hands and fingers. In an interview with television channel France 3, Interior Minister Christophe Castaner said the tear gas grenade, which is described as a weapon of war in manuals, would no longer be used by law enforcement officials as too many people have been injured. The minister stressed that the ban would take immediate effect.

Protests against Emmanuel Macron’s policies continue across the country. Demonstrators often clash with police officers, who use tears gas in order to disperse protesters. In December 2018, a man had his hand torn off after he picked up a CLI-F4 grenade and tried to throw it away. Another demonstrator lost his fingers attempting to toss the grenade.
France was the only country that used the GLI-F4, which contains an explosive charge of 26 grams of TNT. In 2017, French authorities banned the OF-F1 stun grenade because it was linked to the death of a 21-year-old man. Botanist and environmental campaigner Remi Fraisse was killed during a protest against the construction of a dam in the city of Toulouse.

Members of the Yellow Vests social movement, named after yellow visibility vests all drivers are required to have in their vehicles, have been protesting in major French cities since 2018. Initially, the demonstrators rallied against the rise of fuel prices and high cost of living, but the protests later widened into opposition against President Emmanuel Macron and his government. Demonstrators believe the Macron's proposed policies favour the elite and hurt the working class. The recent rallies in the country are against proposed pension reform.
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Apparently not after they fired off Tear Gas and Water Cannons at their own Firefighters. Who were protesting their lack of protection from rioting and those seeking to cause civil disobediance.
Watch: Anti-Macron Firefighters Violently Clash With Police in Paris
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Firefighters brandish flares as they climb on the Statue of Republic Triumph at Nation square during a demonstration to protest against French government's plan to overhaul the country's retirement system in Paris, on January 28, 2020. (Photo by Bertrand GUAY / AFP) (Photo by BERTRAND GUAY/AFP via Getty Images)
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Anti-Macron firefighters violently clashed with police in Paris, while protesting for better pay, staff increases and protection from violent attacks.
Several thousand firefighters from across France took to the streets of Paris Tuesday, calling for the right to retire at 57, an increase in their fire bonus to be equivalent to that of the police, an increase in staff and to solidify measure to protect firefighters from attacks, which have been rising over the past year.
The firefighters came dressed in their fire gear and helmets, with some even symbolically setting themselves on fire in protest.
The demonstration, which began peacefully, took a turn for the worse when approximately fifty firefighters began launching fireworks and other projectiles at the police, who responded by firing tear gas at the public servants, according to Le Parisian.
Firefighters also attempted to break through barricades set up around the ring road, leading to fighting between the police and the protestors, three of whom were arrested. Police were also filmed firing water cannons against the firefighters.

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Ces images sont désespérantes... Emmanuel Macron, qui a réussi à jeter nos policiers contre nos #pompiers, devrait réfléchir à l’immense responsabilité qui est la sienne dans la profonde désunion de notre pays. MLP

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Marine Le Pen, the leader of the right-wing populist party Rassemblement National (National Rally), blamed President Emanuel Macron for the “desperate images” of violence on the streets.
“Emmanuel Macron, who managed to throw our police against our #pompiers (firefighters), should reflect on the immense responsibility which is his in the deep disunity of our country”, she wrote on Twitter.
The protest on Tuesday was the second national firefighters’ demonstration in less than four months in the capital after unions mobilized last summer to demand better treatment from the Macron government.
Firefighters in France have increasingly become a target of violence in the ongoing wave of anti-government actions taken against President Macron’s pension reforms. Antifa style groups have targeted firefighters with firebombs and Molotov cocktails.
Frederic Perrin, the head of the SPASDIS-CFTC firefighters union, told the AFP: “We are the final link in the chain of emergency aid in France and we are overwhelmed by callouts.”
“We need the staffing and means to respond to this and also a guarantee that we can concentrate on our core missions, emergency response, and not serve as a supplement to absent health services”, Perrin added.

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So not just a dumb move. A colossally dumb move. Turn the tear gas and water cannons on Firefighters... who are protesting in full protective turn out gear... with SCBA Air Masks... And kevlar/nomex blend turn out bunker gear, which can take a water cannon hit real well. Oh and they have their own trucks. With much bigger water cannons. What idiot of a Police Commander thought that fireing on the Firefighters was in any way a good idea. The Police have just driven off their only frieds and allies. The only ones that would be protecting them out there. Good Luck with that plan Gendarmes!
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I guess they missed the memo about that teargas ban.
Poor hotwheels :(

I must admit I like the piss and vinegar firefighters have compared to other protesters

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Speaking of fire, I sure hope the crack shooter with the teargas launcher didn't start one here

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The French Police must be insane? They’ve literally started a Violent Civil (Service?) War with the Fire Fighters. Aside from the obvious civil questions and the deterioration of public order, they’ve started a violent fight with a group that is bigger, in better shape, has better protective gear, and has trucks just loaded with incredibly scary and dangerous melee weapons. Most French Police aren’t armed. All French Firefighters are. A plexiglas riot shield won’t do shit when they start breaking out the axes, pike poles and chain saws.
 
The French Police must be insane? They’ve literally started a Violent Civil (Service?) War with the Fire Fighters. Aside from the obvious civil questions and the deterioration of public order, they’ve started a violent fight with a group that is bigger, in better shape, has better protective gear, and has trucks just loaded with incredibly scary and dangerous melee weapons. Most French Police aren’t armed. All French Firefighters are. A plexiglas riot shield won’t do shit when they start breaking out the axes, pike poles and chain saws.
It seems like an unwise idea to annoy the fire fighters, Wars usually involve Fires.
 
It seems like an unwise idea to annoy the fire fighters, Wars usually involve Fires.

Well consider that normally the biggest threat to police in modern civil unrest is moltov coctails. Petrol bombs. Lighting shit on fire. And the Fire Fighters are the police protection from that. Shooting a Flashbang at the Fire departments heads does not seem like a particularly bright move. Thank god the firefighter was wearing his helmet. Because if he had been seriously injured or killed, the streets would be running red with police blood right now.
 
I mean really, just when you think this shit show can't get any worse there's open fucking warfare between civil services. Any self respecting leader, not even a leader, just a man would step down or enact sweeping changes when faced with this. I honestly can't imagine what the fucking EU is telling Macron behind closed doors at this point, they have to promising him the fucking moon because this shit is about to get real.
 
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Could've sworn they said they'd stop using teargas. I guess the memo's in the mail ;)

That's one way to ensure speedy medical treatment -- make the medics dodge flashbangs. Sure to put a pep in their step.

"Eeny, meene, meine, fuck you"

Made me chuckle

It's so weird seeing a head of state poking his head out the window in a motorcade these days
I won't joke about the crowd size. Having been to a certain inauguration a few years ago I know firsthand how the media and their "clever" camera angles can make things seem empty.
 
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So yeah, that teargas ban...
Watching brawls is more fun than watching a bunch of gas

Get in the pain pile, nerds

You (shall) pass

Thot patrol on the beat

Extinction Rebellion fags getting sprayed. I wish the cop had a second canister on him.
 
67th week. Not Nice yet.


At least they didn't dress in brown :lol:

Return to sender~

(Technically) working even while on strike...dunno how that works but god knows lawyers would make an argument over it

Well at least it's not a trashcan for once...

5 [riot] guys and fries

How will Macaroni ever recover
 
Has there ever been protests on this scale before that have lasted this long? I mean you would think that would be newsworthy all on it's own but apparently all news just decides to ignore it. Hell the disproportionate police response in any other first world country would have been plastered all over the news.
 
The trouble with applying the usual First World standards to France is that despite what their economy and military might tell you, politically they've always been as unstable as any Second World country. This is currently the Fifth Republic, using a constitution drawn up by de Gaulle following a military coup after the Algerian Crisis in 1958, which succeeded the Fourth Republic set up right after WW2, which because it had 21 prime ministers in 12 years, people were just glad to see the back of. That followed the Third Republic, set up in the wake of the Franco-Prussian War in 1871, which was a provisional government that elected a monarch, and when France refused to ditch the tricolor he refused the throne, and when it came time to give his successor the throne nobody really felt like having a monarchy anymore, so you had a bizarre republic-by-default, and that clusterfuck of French instability and indecisiveness only came about after the Paris Commune took over Paris and had to be violently put down by the army. That came after the Second Empire, lead by Napoleon III, who as President of the Second Republic (noticing a theme here?) decided he should be Emperor, declared himself as such, dissolved Parliament and then had a rather implausible 92% approval of his new rule in a referendum a month later. The Second Republic founded in 1848 (for once, the French weren't alone in a violent anti-monarchist revolution that year) after the violent overthrow of the Orleans dynasty, which were a parliamentary monarch established after another violent overthrow, this time in 1830 of the Bourbon Restoration. That came after the First Empire of Napoleon I was defeated by the rest of Europe, and we should all be at least passingly familiar with him and his own rise to power and later fall, given the overall education level of these forums.

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The trouble with applying the usual First World standards to France is that despite what their economy and military might tell you, politically they've always been as unstable as any Second World country. This is currently the Fifth Republic, using a constitution drawn up by de Gaulle following a military coup after the Algerian Crisis in 1958, which succeeded the Fourth Republic set up right after WW2, which because it had 21 prime ministers in 12 years, people were just glad to see the back of. That followed the Third Republic, set up in the wake of the Franco-Prussian War in 1871, which was a provisional government that elected a monarch, and when France refused to ditch the tricolor he refused the throne, and when it came time to give his successor the throne nobody really felt like having a monarchy anymore, so you had a bizarre republic-by-default, and that clusterfuck of French instability and indecisiveness only came about after the Paris Commune took over Paris and had to be violently put down by the army. That came after the Second Empire, lead by Napoleon III, who as President of the Second Republic (noticing a theme here?) decided he should be Emperor, declared himself as such, dissolved Parliament and then had a rather implausible 92% approval of his new rule in a referendum a month later. The Second Republic founded in 1848 (for once, the French weren't alone in a violent anti-monarchist revolution that year) after the violent overthrow of the Orleans dynasty, which were a parliamentary monarch established after another violent overthrow, this time in 1830 of the Bourbon Restoration. That came after the First Empire of Napoleon I was defeated by the rest of Europe, and we should all be at least passingly familiar with him and his own rise to power and later fall, given the overall education level of these forums.

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the only real difference in the narrative is that there was some stability in France for over 40 years, from 1968 to about 2014. And there was a long period of political stability from 1871 to the 1930s. that's enough for someone to notice when the country's really fucked
 
the only real difference in the narrative is that there was some stability in France for over 40 years, from 1968 to about 2014. And there was a long period of political stability from 1871 to the 1930s. that's enough for someone to notice when the country's really fucked
III Republic was kinda fucked at times with the Boulanger Affair, the Dreyfus Affair, and the Panama Canal scandal.
 
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