Legend of Zelda thread - Lorefags GTFO!

[Mark Knopfler]

https://mynintendonews.com/2023/07/02/aonuma-on-classic-zelda-gameplay-returning-its-difficult-to-say-anything-about-the-future/

BotW has been a disaster for the Zelda franchise.

This video gets more and more relevant as time goes by.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

It sucks that it will be a full decade before I see a truly new 3D Zelda.

Bold of you to assume you will even then. First BotW3 will add multiplayer as a prominent feature and then they'll milk that with DLC for another decade.

 

[Mukhrani]

As someone who's played almost every game, there's definitely a pattern to Zelda releases. You have a groundbreaking release, then they play around a bit with the idea, then there's another groundbreaking release that goes back to the well while incorporating new ideas. The first of these was A Link to the Past, while Link's of Awakening was more trippy and divorced from Zelda tropes. Then Ocarina of Time was a groundbreaking release (3-D), they played around with the idea a bit with Majora's Mask. Then you had a bunch of sort of experimental titles playing on both, like Oracle of Ages & Seasons or Windwaker, and they went back to the well for Twilight Princess. Following that you had the experimental Skyward Sword and some of the weirder handheld titles. Then BotW was groundbreaking for introducing the open world idea, but this time they didn't really 'go back to the well.' Dungeons being eliminated made it not feel like a Zelda game, even though I did get a lot of playtime out of it. I really do not feel that interested in this newer installment because it seems like they are refusing to go back to the basic structure and take the new things that they've developed, and the things which they've learned, and apply them to further refine & improve the classic Zelda formula. I think that there are things which define the series and makes it unique - not the characters, or the aesthetics, or any of that, but the basis of the game around dungeons, tools, and puzzles. If they let that melt away in order to create more open world schlock and chase every trend that comes up it will end badly imo. There will be no more 'Zelda Games', just whatever autism simulator is currently trendy with Zelda tropes and characters skinned over it.

 

[Betonhaus]

Maybe... I still hold that Nintendo will explore locking the botw map behind a serial playthrough. If the glider, climbing ability, and cooking are removed (or kept away until as a late-stage item), it seems pretty easy to divide the map up into segments that you are unable to explore until you've completed a temple and battled it's boss.

 

[LightDragonman1]

https://mynintendonews.com/2023/07/02/aonuma-on-classic-zelda-gameplay-returning-its-difficult-to-say-anything-about-the-future/

BotW has been a disaster for the Zelda franchise.

I don’t know. Being a fan of BOTW, and still seeing lots of ways they can expand on its formula, I don’t see this as being a disaster for the franchise. Especially if they alternate between games like it and more traditional entries, even if they are remasters of older titles.

I really seem to be alone here in terms of enjoying both BOTW and TOTK. Especially in regards to them belonging alongside the others in terms of being true Zelda games.

 

[Epoch]

I just don't get this recent thing where everyone suddenly hates all the 3d Zelda games from before BOTW. They act like everything before BOTW was terrible garbage, especially with Twilight Princess, which was the highest selling Zelda game until BOTW. Is it because of all the people who have only played BOTW/TOTK coming in and acting like the series was terrible until it became open world or what?

 

[LightDragonman1]

Speaking personally, I have indeed played the games that came before BOTW/TOTK, and several when they came out, such as Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword. While I found SS to be rather underwhelming, I still love both WW and TP, and consider them to be two of my favorite games of all time. So I too enjoy the older style as well.

Just that for me personally, I find the new direction taken by BOTW and TOTK to be just as enjoyable, if not more so in a few areas.

 

[Dildo_SHwaggins]

I just don't get this recent thing where everyone suddenly hates all the 3d Zelda games from before BOTW. They act like everything before BOTW was terrible garbage, especially with Twilight Princess, which was the highest selling Zelda game until BOTW. Is it because of all the people who have only played BOTW/TOTK coming in and acting like the series was terrible until it became open world or what?

Zelda fans are retarded, nothing new

 

[TVB]

Zelda fans are retarded, nothing new

@Stab You in the Back any comments?

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I just don't get this recent thing where everyone suddenly hates all the 3d Zelda games from before BOTW. They act like everything before BOTW was terrible garbage, especially with Twilight Princess, which was the highest selling Zelda game until BOTW. Is it because of all the people who have only played BOTW/TOTK coming in and acting like the series was terrible until it became open world or what?

We have become old and are witnessing retarded Zoomers taking over the franchise.

I saw the same shit with people older than me getting pissed off at Zelda going 3D when OoT came out. Although I never acted like LoZ and LttP were shit or anything. (in fact LttP is still my favorite, but I'm in that weird group that started gaming super young so it was my first)

 

[Epoch]

We have become old and are witnessing retarded Zoomers taking over the franchise.

This is probably going off topic but I need to get this rant off my chest; I am getting really sick of the modern Zoomer games and their hatred of anything that isn't pure gameplay and gameplay loops. It's like everything is distilled down to formulas now. I've also noticed Zoomers have this attitude that if a game doesn't immediately have gameplay right away, or isn't just a gameplay loop then its boring and not worth playing, L game or whatever they say. Also getting real tired of over saturated bright colours, I get the piss filter era was loathed, but at least games during that era had visual styles, everything now is just uber saturated and blown out with bright flashing lights, all for the Zoomer tiktok generation. There is this belief going around that if a game doesn't have completely contrasting visually unique locations then it has bad art direction, I think I saw this around the NewBlood circle when I used to lurk on Twitter. Their example of this was comparing Metroid Prime 1's colour palette to the colours used in MP2. MP1 has completely separate and contrasting colours for each area, while MP2 has a toned down earthly tone that has less contrast, and the separate areas blend smoother despite still having a unique appearance. They used this to say MP1 had better art because it had more unique areas or something, which I think is a retarded take when it comes to world building and grounding the visuals.

l don't think Zoomers even like games, considering how they all just play gameplay loop dopamine simulators. Just look at the popularity of Vampire Survivors. A glorified idle game that only exists to generate dopamine. Games like Destiny 2 being designed around a single gameplay loop using dopamine to hook people and keep them addicted. I suppose if these are the games they grew up with then its no surprise they are glorified drug addicts that cant focus on anything and lose interest the second a game tries to tell a story or do something that isn't just a gameplay loop. That's all BOTW/TOTK are essentially, a gameplay loop of explore -> puzzle -> upgrade (spirit orb or korok seed), keeping the dopamine flowing for doing menial tasks. I would not be surprised in the least if Zoomers start to have serious drug issues in the future.

The worst part of this rant is that I am probably in the Zoomer generation age wise, I've not bothered to check, but if I am I still refuse to associate.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

l don't think Zoomers even like games

I don't either.

I've basically been hanging out with a 26 and a 29 year old the past few years, and both of them only seem to play games for the social aspect or the consoomer aspect. They'll buy every piece of AAA trash hyped up, but never seem to play more than a few hours if there isn't a dedicated online mode. If I recommend something that is good but isn't popular, they ignore it.

And even when there is an online mode, they only seem to play if someone they know is playing. The amount of times I've gotten bitched at because I didn't feel like playing so THEY couldn't play is ridiculous.

They don't stream, but they are absolutely enthralled by streamers and gaming youtubers. I think if they were just a bit younger they'd probably be obsessed with streaming too.

 

[Epoch]

I don't either.

I've basically been hanging out with a 26 and a 29 year old the past few years, and both of them only seem to play games for the social aspect or the consoomer aspect. They'll buy every piece of AAA trash hyped up, but never seem to play more than a few hours if there isn't a dedicated online mode. If I recommend something that is good but isn't popular, they ignore it.

And even when there is an online mode, they only seem to play if someone they know is playing. The amount of times I've gotten bitched at because I didn't feel like playing so THEY couldn't play is ridiculous.

They don't stream, but they are absolutely enthralled by streamers and gaming youtubers. I think if they were just a bit younger they'd probably be obsessed with streaming too.

I think I recall a few people when I was in school that forced themselves to play games just because it was 'the thing' all of a sudden. I had people ask me about livestreaming and stuff just because I was the guy who knew vidya. I think Millennials are so into Twitch because its the 'big tech thing' currently, I've only ever seen Millennial tech bros, as in getting extremely into the latest consoomer tech things and overhyping stuff beyond what it actually is. I don't recall ever seeing those Millennial guys I know actually playing any singleplayer games other than the latest AAA slop, I don't think any of them played Elden Ring either, which while being the latest AAA slop, is actually a video game and actually good.

Out of curiosity I checked the Morrowind Steam reviews, since Dagoth Ur has become a big meme with the Zoomers, low and behold:

Same guy. I think older Zoomers have somewhat better taste in that they are actually willing to try other games, but younger zoomers and gen alpha are doomed. I used to work at a VR arcade until Covid killed the business, whenever there were parties for young kids they would ignore all the VR booths and just play Fortnite on the game consoles we had set up. It got to the point during one party that we had to pull out a bunch of spare monitors and hook up two of the owner's personal Xboxes just so they could play fortnite. I don't think any of them were even playing together. There was glimmer of hope one time when this really young kid was there, the brother of the kid having a party, he was too young to use the VR stuff but instead he wanted to play NES games (there was retro setup as well), he spent the whole time playing old megaman games on the NES while I helped him out.

This is probably getting way too off topic for the Zelda thread and we just sound like old people yelling at clouds.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

We have become old and are witnessing retarded Zoomers taking over the franchise.

First time getting old?

Don't fret! In only a couple years you will go from being on the pulse of vidya to being me and not understanding why none of the younger people seem to agree with you on anything. Even though you are right.

 

[LightDragonman1]

I hate getting old, I gotta say, especially when I see how much I’m growing out of touch with what the youth are into (though maybe that’s a good thing).

I’ll just say that I like games that have an emphasis on story and use more muted color palettes, but I also enjoy ones that are gameplay focused with bright visuals and a definite loop, provided they can make it interesting.

Maybe that’s why I enjoy both the original Zelda formula and the new entries as well. Heck, I’m the kind of guy that rolls his eyes whenever I see an open world littered with menial tasks (Ubisoft games especially), but I still found BOTW and TOTK awesome, because they found more creative ways to deliver the gameplay.

 

[Epoch]

I’ll just say that I like games that have an emphasis on story and use more muted color palettes, but I also enjoy ones that are gameplay focused with bright visuals and a definite loop, provided they can make it interesting.

Dont get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with games being bright and colourful or gameplay focused. I just think that the recent trend of everything being those is bad and I don't like how everything is all the same thing. The fortnite artstyle, or I guess overwatch or however far back it goes, was a mistake.

 

[X Prime]

Gotta get the limited attention of the ADD-riddled porn fanartists somehow.

 

[Weltraumfürst]

https://mynintendonews.com/2023/07/02/aonuma-on-classic-zelda-gameplay-returning-its-difficult-to-say-anything-about-the-future/

BotW has been a disaster for the Zelda franchise.

I think I'm gonna skip out on one of my favorite game series for a while.

 

[Mega Black]

I just don't get this recent thing where everyone suddenly hates all the 3d Zelda games from before BOTW. They act like everything before BOTW was terrible garbage, especially with Twilight Princess, which was the highest selling Zelda game until BOTW. Is it because of all the people who have only played BOTW/TOTK coming in and acting like the series was terrible until it became open world or what?

Twilight Princess gets brutally shit on because for some reason everyone has decreed that it was the Zelda Nintendo was forced to make by rabid fans who hated the Wind Waker art style and wanted a more mature Zelda. So poor widdle Numa had to stop ripping off Ghibli for one whole game and make something slightly different from his usual magitech goddess cell shaded wank fest. How tragic

And yeah Zoomies who have never touched an old Zelda game and find them boring because you can't just climb over everything need to justify feeling insecure about their lack of experiencing landmark videogames.

 

[Weltraumfürst]

Some of the shit TP gets is deserved, though. It does feel like a bit of a retread of OoT, the overworld still isn't great and there is a huge amount of handholding. On a personal level, I never liked Wolf Link, and the Twilight Realm stuff never did it for me, either. I mean, it's still a good game with some pretty spectacular moments, but it's also the only 3D Zelda game I haven't finished.

I get the feeling that lately, though, public opinion on TP seems to turn around, thankfully. It's not the greatest entry, but it doesn't deserve half the disdain.