Lolcow Leonard F. Shaner Jr. - Autistic Pedophile / Foamer / Shitlord

[Frank Rizzo]

Maybe Hy's trying to get good with Len's widowed mother....

"Don't you worry none, Widow Shaner, Ah'll take good care of your precious Leonard....and perhaps.....later....ah'll take care of you too..." *cue Southern Gentleman wink here*

 

[Autistbox]

I really can't see that. Intentionally tanking a case like this is something that could really ruin a lawyer, even more so than being a senile nutjob. I guess it's theoretically possible, but if that's the case, and it's found to be true then it would cast a shadow across his whole career, and perhaps his son's.

I'm partial to Occam's razor here. I honestly can't imagine a lawyer, even one like Hy, would tank his career solely for shits and giggles, and it seems easier to attribute his antics in court today to being senile, getting old, etc. Perhaps his son is wary of affiliating with him BECAUSE of the unprofessionalism he showed in court (plus any nutty behavior on the side). I'm unsure if this local story about a case the Mayersons (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm almost certain it's them) took on without being paid for apparently years was mentioned previously in the thread, but I wonder if Hy took on the case because he genuinely misguidedly naively thinks Shaner can win and he'll get some kind of payment later on for his upcoming LONG, HARD-FOUGHT BATTLE.

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

Rev up your optimistic ratings, I have a personal Hy head-canon.

One detail stood out to me - Hy winked at Kirby after Kirby verified that Pocket_Sand had gone home. That made no sense to me. Then I thought, "why on earth would someone take amused glee at a missing piece of "vital" witness evidence, while working on this case for no monetary gain?"

Has anyone gone over the idea that maybe Hy knows Len is fucking crazy and is willing to donate his time and effort to sink this court case so Len goes to jail? Saul confirmed that his actions are fucking insane, someone who was a lawyer for decades ought to know how a court proceedings goes even if it's not in his specified area of expertise.

What if, instead of Hy being senile/believing Len's obvious bullshit, he is a lolcow observer like us? And is making this court case an absolute farce doing whatever Len wants him to, so Len trusts him more, and the judge gets sick of the bullshit and will likely move against any lenience that may have once been shown.

Hy no doubt has read this thread, has seen all our evidence calling out Len's bullshit over and over, and he would have also seen how crazy effective it is to pretend to be on Len's side, because Len believes it immediately...

Perhaps this is one man just trying to do one last good thing for the community.

Scenario one is that Hy is a "master troll" willing to absolutely destroy his professional career and be remembered as a complete and utter retard and disgrace to lawyers everywhere for the sake of showing up some autistic foamer who probably won't even serve more than five years at most.

Scenario two is that Hy, a fucking certified lawyer, is convinced that a random Internet forum is actually a front for a railroad company to harass some autistic foamer for... some reason.

... Am I the only one having some difficulty trying to figure out which one is MORE realistic?

 

[Jashinist]

Scenario one is that Hy is a "master troll" willing to absolutely destroy his professional career and be remembered as a complete and utter exceptional individual and disgrace to lawyers everywhere for the sake of showing up some autistic foamer who probably won't even serve more than five years at most.

Scenario two is that Hy, a fucking certified lawyer, is convinced that a random Internet forum is actually a front for a railroad company to harass some autistic foamer for... some reason.

... Am I the only one having some difficulty trying to figure out which one is MORE realistic?

I don't think his reputation would be sullied though. Either it already is, hence the tension with his son and emphasis that Hy is no longer there (embarrassment about him?), or this case simply isn't big enough - the only spectators to the trial were Kirby and Len's mother, there's no reason to think news will spread and his entire reputation will come crumbling.

 

[PacSol]

Hy's old. He probably doesn't really get how the internet works, and maybe he really does think we're a conspiracy. Dunno why he'd act that way in court, though.

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

True, but we have the Internet, where even the most minor of spergfests can have an alarming degree of coverage if enough people start talking about it.

You know... people like us.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

I don't think his reputation would be sullied though. Either it already is, hence the tension with his son and emphasis that Hy is no longer there (embarrassment about him?), or this case simply isn't big enough - the only spectators to the trial were Kirby and Len's mother, there's no reason to think news will spread and his entire reputation will come crumbling.

So, basically, your theory is that Hy is going "Well, fuck it, people already think I'm a nutjob, might as well take the ball and run with it!"?

 

[Emiya Kiwitsugu]

I don't think his reputation would be sullied though. Either it already is, hence the tension with his son and emphasis that Hy is no longer there (embarrassment about him?), or this case simply isn't big enough - the only spectators to the trial were Kirby and Len's mother, there's no reason to think news will spread and his entire reputation will come crumbling.

It still seems like a stretch. Especially if it was discovered that Hy was intentionally throwing Len's case. Not only would that be grounds for a retrial, but I'm pretty sure it's illegal.

 

[Jashinist]

So, basically, your theory is that Hy is going "Well, fuck it, people already think I'm a nutjob, might as well take the ball and run with it!"?

To be honest, my theory centres around the idea that I can't believe Len made a friend.

Len is utterly detestable, it makes ZERO sense that someone like Hy would actually like him. So the fact that Hy would do this trial for free lends itself to suspicion.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

To be honest, my theory centres around the idea that I can't believe Len made a friend.

Len is utterly detestable, it makes ZERO sense that someone like Hy would actually like him. So the fact that Hy would do this trial for free lends itself to suspicion.

It's always interesting to think about theories such as this, but again, I just don't see an endgame that would benefit anyone.

Len will be seen as a fucking nutjob for believing there's an entire website that's "out to get him" and will be found guilty

Hy will be seen as a fucking nutjob for taking the case and making a complete ass of himself.

 

[Chaosbandit]

So, basically, your theory is that Hy is going "Well, fuck it, people already think I'm a nutjob, might as well take the ball and run with it!"?

And then he smiles as Len shits himself and is hauled off to jail, casually walks out of the courtroom to enjoy the afternoon sun, posts a single message of "You're welcome" to the Farms for all the courtroom lulz he gave us, pours himself a bourbon, and goes back to enjoying his autumn years.


(Since we're all giving crazy theories right now)

 

[Kiwi Koala]

To be honest, my theory centres around the idea that I can't believe Len made a friend.

Len is utterly detestable, it makes ZERO sense that someone like Hy would actually like him. So the fact that Hy would do this trial for free lends itself to suspicion.

I think the more important thing than motive here is, we get to watch as a cow has a crazy lawyer, and the most lulzy trial I've ever heard of. Let us savor the flavor.

I assume, as was mentioned, Len and his family have been friends for a while. Len likely goes and helps out with Hy's sales, maybe they share interest in studying history, or whatever. I assume there's a bit of truth to all this; Hy is old, very old, he likely doesn't understand interweb culture, and may think there's actually a conspiracy here. In addition, he's been an ambulance chaser, so he's likely taking this as a chance to get back into court, and help a friend. He's also using the tactics he known, which as our law expert have pointed out are, are seen as very poor form (especially given the low stakes). On top of all this, Hy is old, likely his mind's not as sharp as it once was.

I see the wink more as: "I know why you're here, really, watch me put on a show".

 

[Rin]

To be honest, my theory centres around the idea that I can't believe Len made a friend.

Len is utterly detestable, it makes ZERO sense that someone like Hy would actually like him. So the fact that Hy would do this trial for free lends itself to suspicion.

It's worth remembering that Hy is forty years older than Len. He may still think of Len as being a kid, or at least be going off outdated memories of what he was like. The other thing worth mentioning is that on his website, he came off as something of a showman - like I said, the type of guy who runs a bunch of commercials during daytime tv. Maybe he was senile enough to believe Len, and thought that taking down a cabal of evil train operators would make him famous or something?

 

[Sigyn]

How close is Hy to retirement? If he's not planning to do many more cases, throwing a small one wouldn't really matter. I agree that it sounds more likely he's just insane, but wouldnt he have been.. idk, sacked as a lawyer before this if he was really this crazy?

 

[Chaosbandit]

Hy being a probable lolcow/nutter aside, win or lose if he shows that insane swagger throughout the proceedings it's going to be an absolutely amazing ride. Particularly if he believes in the Lenspiracy and starts putting on a show for field agents.

 

[Autistbox]

How close is Hy to retirement? If he's not planning to do many more cases, throwing a small one wouldn't really matter. I agree that it sounds more likely he's just insane, but wouldnt he have been.. idk, sacked as a lawyer before this if he was really this crazy?

This article from 2011 about his son actually mentions that Hy "recently retired" around the time that Ben merged the Mayerson firm with another local one.

EDIT: On a slightly unrelated note, doing a bit more digging for Hy turned up some random mentions in a book about Jim Croce and a mention in an article about Bob Marley's daughter growing pot.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I agree that it sounds more likely he's just insane, but wouldnt he have been.. idk, sacked as a lawyer before this if he was really this crazy?

I still have a job . . . just sayin'.

On a more serious note, I'm inclined to go Occam's Razor here: If you look over his various websites, Mayerson clearly likes conspiracy theories and is clearly, ahem, "eccentric." The simple explanation is that he took an eccentric conspiracy theory and ran with it.

 

[TowinKarz]

I think Hy's just out of his element, compounded by being too old, too behind the times and too crotchety to mount a defense without going a little off track.... (pun intended) He seems to be acting like your typical retired specialist who just doesn't have "it" anymore but won't admit it.

 

[AnOminous]

How close is Hy to retirement?

He's past it. He was admitted to the bar 11/18/1968, 46 years ago. Assuming a relatively normal age of 25 for admission, that would make him over 70 years old, at least. If he was admitted later in life, he'd be even older.

ETA: Okay, this news story puts him at 76 years old in 2013, so he'd be about 78 now.

ETA again: Here's an archive link for it. https://archive.is/yizsc

Interesting because he admits to drug use in the 60s, sort of. Another interesting thing: when I went to archive that on archive.is it had already been archived a year ago, which is interesting, because as far as I know, this thing only archives when specifically told to do so.

 

[Kiwi Koala]

I don't usually do the lolcow comparisons, because everyone's looking for the new CWC, but given today's events, and the extent of the kiwi conspiracy coming to light, I move to have Hy's name changed Hy "Bob" Chandler from this point forward.