LGBT Kiwis, How Do You Feel About Negative Threads about It on the Forum?

[Lemmingwise]

I agree that the LGBT community in it is toxic and most of the self declared members of it are cancerous.

I'm not joking. Despite being a faggot in a long term monogamous relationship myself, or perhaps because of it, I would should the world come to its senses and install me as God Emperor nuke the pride marches.

I'm inclined to think personally faggotry is a minor form of autism. Not debilitating, but not especially useful like forms of savantism that leads to maths geniuses. It's just a thing. Unfortunatly, because this thing often leads to people with few/no responsibilities who don't have to grow up, realise the world doesn't revolve around them and there is another generation to worry about it's often the axis where the worstideas like pronouns and multiple genders pick up speed in venues where otherwise people would have been more concerned about how they were going to feed or help Timmy do his homework this week.

I'll admit it's a point I have a lot of internal conflict about in some respects. On one hand, I obviously want things like gay marriage and see it as an ideal. On the other, had it come to a vote I probably would with hindsight voted against it. Not because I think homosexuality is evil or because I don't enjoy my partner shoving things up my ass. More because in the past ten years or so this seems to have been the pandoras box that once opened and the rainbow people were done crying over that unloaded the unholy neo liberal racial and gender policies that are strangling any sense of public/civil virtue in a western sense today that survived the sexual revolution.

I always have a lot more respect for fat people that say it's unhealthy, drug users that advice others not to, and faggots that know their sexuality is kinda weird and useless. Some people may call it hypocrisy, but I see it as the reverse. At least the head is screwed on right. And it takes more courage to condemn your own type actions or group than to defend them out of self-interest.

 

[eDove]

It's all accurate. I struggle with bisexual desires due to exposure/abuse in very early childhood.

The refusal to attribute homosexuality to environmental factors is damaging to Ls, Gs, and Bs in the long-run. Why does it have to hard-coded into your DNA for it to be valid? Attraction's never worked like that in first place. Attraction's something we learn and it changes throughout life, even if it's always strictly toward one gender.

I think calling it an "identity" is a poisonous trend that needs to die. You see gays fed up with the culture in this thread because they're smart enough to know that it's not an identity. Your identity is your character, your beliefs, convictions, ambitions, and actions — it's not what you're attracted to. Your identity is internal and attraction is, by its very nature, external. Morons latch onto the "LGBTQ+ identity" because they have nothing going on inside themselves and they go apeshit when the lifestyle is criticized or ridiculed… because they've decided that being gay is a core part of their personality.

It's okay for your sexuality to be screwy and to acknowledge it as such. In a world where people glamorize their ten-billion mental disorders, it's apparently wrong/evil to suggest that homosexuality can be a defect in some cases. Unfortunately, I've been screwed up and it's my vice, but since it's not my identity, I don't take anything regarding it personally.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

It's all accurate. I struggle with bisexual desires due to exposure/abuse in very early childhood.

The refusal to attribute homosexuality to environmental factors is damaging to Ls, Gs, and Bs in the long-run. Why does it have to hard-coded into your DNA for it to be valid? Attraction's never worked like that in first place. Attraction's something we learn and it changes throughout life, even if it's always strictly toward one gender.

I think calling it an "identity" is a poisonous trend that needs to die. You see gays fed up with the culture in this thread because they're smart enough to know that it's not an identity. Your identity is your character, your beliefs, convictions, ambitions, and actions — it's not what you're attracted to. Your identity is internal and attraction is, by its very nature, external. Morons latch onto the "LGBTQ+ identity" because they have nothing going on inside themselves and they go apeshit when the lifestyle is criticized or ridiculed… because they've decided that being gay is a core part of their personality.

It's okay for your sexuality to be screwy and to acknowledge it as such. In a world where people glamorize their ten-billion mental disorders, it's apparently wrong/evil to suggest that homosexuality can be a defect in some cases. Unfortunately, I've been screwed up and it's my vice, but since it's not my identity, I don't take anything regarding it personally.

Just as a point, being gay isn't necessarily all DNA or all environmental factors. Based on twin studies, which compares that rates of concurrence of a trait between identical twins compared to fraternal twins, it appears to be both together, a genetic predisposition, combined with environmental factors. So, one can be predisposed, but without the environmental trigger, they don't become gay. Just like if someone without that predisposition, regardless of being exposed to the environmental trigger, will also never become gay. It's the so-called "Two-Hit hypothesis".

 

[Noir drag freak]

I don’t take it personally. People have been discussing homosexuality since the dawn of civilization. So it comes with the territory. So I find it somewhat comforting to know that this topic will always be somewhat charged.

I guess the only thing that I hate is self-loathing.

It's all accurate. I struggle with bisexual desires due to exposure/abuse in very early childhood.

The refusal to attribute homosexuality to environmental factors is damaging to Ls, Gs, and Bs in the long-run. Why does it have to hard-coded into your DNA for it to be valid? Attraction's never worked like that in first place. Attraction's something we learn and it changes throughout life, even if it's always strictly toward one gender.

It's okay for your sexuality to be screwy and to acknowledge it as such. In a world where people glamorize their ten-billion mental disorders, it's apparently wrong/evil to suggest that homosexuality can be a defect in some cases. Unfortunately, I've been screwed up and it's my vice, but since it's not my identity, I don't take anything regarding it personally.

I just want to say that I believe that people should have the right to seek conversion therapy. LGB are against environmental explanation for homosexuality because they feel that it close to psychoanalytic explanations for homosexuality. The whole “Born that way” explanation was to silence both the Freudian psychoanalysis, its various offshoots, and the Religious Right. Passing homosexuality as something that was congenital was a way to pacify fears that homosexuality was a psychological contagion.

I want to disagree with you on the notion of identity. Identity isn’t just internal, it’s also external and socially determined. Homosexuality or the modern gay identity is socially decided based on history. Also, sex carries physical and cultural consequences.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Homosexuality is a mental illness. You people need to go and see a doctor.

I tried but the doctor told me I need to start taking T and calling myself a man.

 

[BullDogsLipBrandClamjuice]

I more than my sexuality dude. Idk why people need their sexuality to be their sum of all parts. Its trivial

 

[Lemmingwise]

Your identity is your character, your beliefs, convictions, ambitions, and actions — it's not what you're attracted to.

Identity is not just internal. Reputation is part of identity. How you're perceived by others is part of identity. Identity is a big bag of stuff.

 

[eDove]

Identity is not just internal. Reputation is part of identity. How you're perceived by others is part of identity. Identity is a big bag of stuff.

Yes, but it starts from the inside. The people I'm referring to have no sense of identity to begin with so they try to find it in the world around them. A lot of the lolcows here suffer from this exact issue as they entrench themselves so deeply in a fandom/community that being part of it is their main personality trait.

 

[p4ddys]

This retarded thread somehow implies anyone here is supposed to care about what someone else feels or thinks.

HURR DURR HOW DO YOU FAGS DYKES AND TROONS FEEL ABOUT PEOPLE SHITTING ON YOU

Even the actual faggots ITT told you it sucks and nobody should ever give a fuck. What a retarded OP

Fucking kill yourself please or let a faggot rape you to death

 

[mario if smoke weed]

I don't care because who I fancy doesn't define me as a character. And it should define nobody else's character. Sadly, many people both straight and gay didn't get the memo.

 

[Angel Dust]

I wonder sometimes that if I were to go back in time and show my past self what's happening now, with the troon takeover, gender special bullshit, fetishes being paraded around and the whole ass alphabet being shoved onto the acronym, if I would still have attended pride marchs and parades. Would I have still nailed myself to the cross by advocating gay rights in my small southern town? Or would I spare myself the headache and just quietly be gay in peace? I think honestly I would've put down the signs, washed off the rainbows and went inside. The kf is way more hostile to trannies as opposed to general gays, and I'm all for that. The 41% can't expand soon enough. If someone does make a genuine homophobic comment, I just roll my eyes and move on. Maybe drop a disagreement sticker at most.

 

[Lovecraft's Cat]

The LGBT community is destroying the internet

Change my mind

 

[Noir drag freak]

I wonder sometimes that if I were to go back in time and show my past self what's happening now, with the troon takeover, gender special bullshit, fetishes being paraded around and the whole ass alphabet being shoved onto the acronym, if I would still have attended pride marchs and parades. Would I have still nailed myself to the cross by advocating gay rights in my small southern town? Or would I spare myself the headache and just quietly be gay in peace? I think honestly I would've put down the signs, washed off the rainbows and went inside. The kf is way more hostile to trannies as opposed to general gays, and I'm all for that. The 41% can't expand soon enough. If someone does make a genuine homophobic comment, I just roll my eyes and move on. Maybe drop a disagreement sticker at most.

One thing that I hate about activism in general when it comes to minority groups is that most of the time it comes with off begging and whining. All that effort could be spent building communities and safe spaces for LGBT individuals. You don’t need acceptance from mainstream society, you just need tolerance and just enough support to be infrastructure.

 

[Basil Julep]

I wonder sometimes that if I were to go back in time and show my past self what's happening now, with the troon takeover, gender special bullshit, fetishes being paraded around and the whole ass alphabet being shoved onto the acronym, if I would still have attended pride marchs and parades. Would I have still nailed myself to the cross by advocating gay rights in my small southern town? Or would I spare myself the headache and just quietly be gay in peace?

Oh my God I really really hate it that my friends from high school, whom I struggled to come out to back then, now have teenagers and my friends beam at how proud they are that their kids stand up for lgbT rights by being totally morally grandstanding about trans rights.

Fuck.

And I know I'm going to get nowhere if I try to explain that trannies are mentally ill and their narratives are bullshit.

Edit: and I'm a bit terrified because one of the kids is very autistic and very online and very unhappy and fuck please let him not get groomed. I did bring that up as something the parents should worry about.

 

[Vixenstar17]

I don't really care lol. My sexuality doesn't define my character. I can understand for some I suppose but personally it doesn't effect it me as much as people think it should.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Oh my God I really really hate it that my friends from high school, whom I struggled to come out to back then, now have teenagers and my friends beam at how proud they are that their kids stand up for lgbT rights by being totally morally grandstanding about trans rights.

Fuck.

And I know I'm going to get nowhere if I try to explain that trannies are mentally ill and their narratives are bullshit.

Edit: and I'm a bit terrified because one of the kids is very autistic and very online and very unhappy and fuck please let him not get groomed. I did bring that up as something the parents should worry about.

Have they considered disowning you, despite defending you in the first place just because you explained the fact that trannies are disproportionately mentally ill?

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

Edit: and I'm a bit terrified because one of the kids is very autistic and very online and very unhappy and fuck please let him not get groomed. I did bring that up as something the parents should worry about.

Unfortunately, he sounds like a strong candidate for the 41%

 

[Baraadmirer]

I knew what I was signing up for when I registered for KF, so whenever I see someone say "lol die faggot" I just mentally roll my eyes and move on. I've never felt particularly close with the "gay community", and don't find the performative aspects of it very intriguing.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Gays used to think gay jokes were hilarious until laughter was canceled. Homosexuality is inherently pretty funny.

 

[Lamby Lams]

I honestly don't care. My sexuality is such a small and personal thing to me that I don't need to "express" it. I feel no connection to the lgbt community. I don't care if people hate lgbt people because i honestly cant stand the "community" either- it's all an exploitative mess. Majority of the people on here who claim they hate lgbt people will never put up a fight irl if they see two people of the same sex getting married or holding hands or whatever. so why should anyone care?