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Jeff Q. Anime said:
FR FR, no cap AMD was SHIT in the early 2010s until Ryzen. No excuse to go there except retardation, and maybe cost, I don't remember if they were actually a better value or not? I don't think they were, meaningfully. Maybe around 2014-15 when they were selling old stock. Herp a durr I have eight "real" cores!!! Why my multithread no scale??? What is a shared pipeline bros? I have more GHZ why am I still slower than shilltel bros please help??? Bulldozer, what a shit release. Those were real bad times.
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Before that, wasn't Phenom a swing and a hit?
 
Yeah the Phenom X6 was great, and for a while it matched or even outperformed Bulldozer in several tasks. This is because Bulldozer had abysmal single threaded performance. You can search around tech forums and find people recommending the Phenom over Bulldozer because of how bad the situation was. The problem with the Phenom is that it lacks instruction sets that many programs require today. So overtime it became the issue of; if the program can run at all, it might run poorly.

Looking back, I didn't mind the concept of Bulldozer but boy the fine wine was sour on that one. I remember when AMD shills would say "just wait for more multithreaded games" and even when that happened Bulldozer was still trash.
 
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Even in multithreading scenarios Bulldozer could easily lag behind Intel. This is because each pair of cores shared floating point execution units, as well as other resources. Under many circumstances, the performance profile became more similar to a quad-core CPU with HT than an octo-core CPU... Which meant it was all around shit.

There's one particular game, BeamNG.Drive, which I remember had *tons* of people bitching about their performance with Bulldozer. It's a car simulation game, with real-time soft body physics, and runs each vehicle simulation on a single core. In theory, this gives you rather linear scaling with core count for the number of vehicles you can run at the same time in-game. That was not the case with Bulldozer. Turns out the floating point calculation load in BeamNG is yuge! The seething and malding from so-called superior 8-core CPU havers was delicious.

There was even a class action lawsuit over false advertising, describing Bulldozer as octo-core - and AMD lost.
 
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Jeff Q. Anime said:
Even in multithreading scenarios Bulldozer could easily lag behind Intel. This is because each pair of cores shared floating point execution units, as well as other resources. Under many circumstances, the performance profile became more similar to a quad-core CPU with HT than an octo-core CPU... Which meant it was all around shit.

There's one particular game, BeamNG.Drive, which I remember had *tons* of people bitching about their performance with Bulldozer. It's a car simulation game, with real-time soft body physics, and runs each vehicle simulation on a single core. In theory, this gives you rather linear scaling with core count for the number of vehicles you can run at the same time in-game. That was not the case with Bulldozer. Turns out the floating point calculation load in BeamNG is yuge! The seething and malding from so-called superior 8-core CPU havers was delicious.

There was even a class action lawsuit over false advertising, describing Bulldozer as octo-core - and AMD lost.
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Ah yes, I remember before I upgraded my 4c/4t Haswell would only barely manage to run BeamNG with one car, trying to spawn a second car with AI would slow the game down to a crawl. After an upgrade to a 6c/12t Alder Lake I have zero issues adding AI cars. It's a game that's really dependent on CPU power, which is a given since it's the most realistic car simulation game to date.
 
Nabeshin said:
It's interesting that this still applies today, intel single thread performance is still better than AMD but because AMD architecture is great for multi-threading and the single-core performance of it is very good, they are better processor than the intel ones
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AMD actually surpassed Intel in single threaded performance briefly and at this point they're pretty much the same. Intel on the other hand beats AMD hands down in multithreading due to just having more cores due to the bigLITTLE design.
 
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They suggested the Orange Pi 3 LTS and the Orange Pi 5. I'm more of an Odroid fan myself. The n2+ is more mature in software than the 5.

They fucked up the name of the rk3588s CPU on the orange pi 5. Called it the RK35885.
 
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tehpope said:
They suggested the Orange Pi 3 LTS and the Orange Pi 5. I'm more of an Odroid fan myself. The n2+ is more mature in software than the 5.

They fucked up the name of the rk3588s CPU on the orange pi 5. Called it the RK35885.
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I know its just the content farm doing its churn, but how much of their audience is actually even capable of using a Pi - They're super fun for project work, but your not gonna be doing microcomputer/microcontroller projects as some casual scrub - they're pretty solidly in enthusiast creator spaces. The kinds of people who watch dedicated channels that probably covered this shit already, not LTT. LTT is barely Prosumer at this point, much less enthusiast anything.

Also the Pi Pico is my favorite little thing to fuck around with, and at $5 CAD a pop it can still do just about anything I can throw it and my 3d printers at.
 
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The FX/bulldozer series was mediocre at best, but at the very low end it could make some sense over intel; I bought a sub $100 fx cpu and despite a cheap PSU and motherboard I got it overclocked to 4.95GHz. I remember it performing quite well in the AAA games of the time. The one thing I can say is both the fx and the ryzen cpus are stupidly hardy from my experience, I ran the fx at such a high voltage it caused the caps on the motherboard to leak but the cpu never failed. The single core performance was abyssmal however. And one could easily that the claim silicon lottery is why I managed to get it so high in the first place, but the fact their core clocks are unlocked and overclock-able on any part of their product line is definitely an advantage they've held for a while.

Sucks to see AMD happily buddy up with them immediately after their rival bent their knee for so long, but a gullible audience is a good marketing spend. I wonder if they'll take the hint from their previous segments with intel to put more requirements towards AMD products. RDNA2 product placement could go a long way with the right timing.
 
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TheRaptorJesus said:
Just watch Jeff Geerling if you want info about pi's and shit.
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Toyota Camry said:
Or ETA Prime
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Or ExplainingComputers.

I don't understand the target audience of LTT's SBC-related videos. They're way too simple for SBC enjoyers, and the typical LTT enjoyer is too retarded to fully appreciate what SBCs are capable of.
 
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The FX/bulldozer series was mediocre at best, but at the very low end it could make some sense over intel; I bought a sub $100 fx cpu and despite a cheap PSU and motherboard I got it overclocked to 4.95GHz. I remember it performing quite well in the AAA games of the time. The one thing I can say is both the fx and the ryzen cpus are stupidly hardy from my experience, I ran the fx at such a high voltage it caused the caps on the motherboard to leak but the cpu never failed. The single core performance was abyssmal however. And one could easily that the claim silicon lottery is why I managed to get it so high in the first place, but the fact their core clocks are unlocked and overclock-able on any part of their product line is definitely an advantage they've held for a while.

Sucks to see AMD happily buddy up with them immediately after their rival bent their knee for so long, but a gullible audience is a good marketing spend. I wonder if they'll take the hint from their previous segments with intel to put more requirements towards AMD products. RDNA2 product placement could go a long way with the right timing.
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That's a problem I've never had with the Ryzen series: core failure. I've had power units and HDD's die, but never a core. The fuckers are built to last
 
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Toyota Camry said:
Intel and Nvidia seems to be plagued with useless middle managers that weren't smart enough to figure things out or respectable enough to be loved by the actual engineers, they probably could use some more job cuts.
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Apples to Oranges with Nvidia and Intel.

Intel has failed to execute and been embarrassed by AMD year after year for since the launch of the original Ryzen. Aside from that Intel has been horribly managed(previous CEO stepped down due to fucking subordinates, numerous idiotic acquisitions that wasted tens of billions over the past decade) at the same time as being unable to produce a better product.

Nvidia on the otherhand has consistently produced products with superior performance and feature set. More importantly, in scientific and professional markets(the big money maker as said), Nvidia's ecosystem is clearly superior to AMDs.

Intel got complacent while being ran by retards, Nvidia while theyve certainly started enjoying the ability raise prices, isnt ran by a retard nor is it complacent.
Jeff Q. Anime said:
FR FR, no cap AMD was SHIT in the early 2010s until Ryzen. No excuse to go there except retardation, and maybe cost, I don't remember if they were actually a better value or not?
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AMD was really fucked over by Intel in 2005-2006. Back then AMD's A64 architecture was significantly better than Intel's P4. How did Intel respond? By bribing every major OEM to not support AMD hardware and cutting AMD out of a huge chunk of the market. Naturally that had serious consequences long term.
 
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Anthony may be disgusting to behold but in the color blocked merch he is delightful in his role as the circus tent to house Linus' clown faces.

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