Because the only 'equality' people are truly allowed is to either occupy a minority group or be 'normal'. These muslim women have chosen to combine two minority groups and create a sub-fashion- of their very own which horrifies members of the occupied minority because this makes the occupiers even more speshul and takes the much needed attention away from them.
These days yes, but back in the day no. I've had a few spats with militant lolis while defending those with homemade outfits or pieces. It's foolish to bash someone because they were young, a student or working and didn't have the money to pay over 75$ for a single blouse.
It just should be something fun to do even though it's considered a luxury hobby or lifestyle.
So women and men who want to be/dress like women are being vindictive and hateful towards each other, creating drama and amplifying it to a stupid and unnecessary degree, and imploding on their own fashions and exterior biases.
Sounds normal to me, don't know why we need a thread on a normality.
The community is built around oneupsmanship and is filled with nerdy, awkward young girls who crave attention and resent those who get more than they do.
This whole scene is the perfect storm for petty drama.
The community is built around oneupsmanship and is filled with nerdy, awkward young girls who crave attention and resent those who get more than they do.
This whole scene is the perfect storm for petty drama.
This is really it. It's teen consumerism made manifest.
Autist Lolita History:
Before the 2006-2008 era, which was maybe the Golden Age, lolita was almost impossible to buy. Japanese import goods weren't just sold online anywhere. You could grab at ebay, or know someone in Japan, and those were basically the only choices. I remember getting a Sailor Moon figure off ebay back in like 99 and it was a huge fucking deal - people were like "but I can't type my credit card online omg!!"
Anyway, there was a Lolita Superiority Hierarchy then: expensive outfits, basic outfits, just owning burando, good replicas (rare). It was more of a collector's hobby than a fashion, because you wanted these hard-to-buy limited edition matched sets and stuff. Some of the eletism comes from that, obviously just a part of being a collector. However, there were lots of lurkers who wanted it but didn't bother because they were too big to fit the one-size Japanese M (which is like, what, a US 4?)
Sometime in the Golden Age, sweeter non-goth stuff increased the popularity, cheaper off brands became available along with bigger sizes, and everything started to be purchasable online. The community also shifted from "hobby" to "fashion"...maybe it was the Gal crossover? I never understood why (because I hate change). "Fashion" equals permission to shade, clearly, so the vitrol changed in flavor from "your knockoff looks cheap" to "you're fat and ugly".
Eventually, partly because the majority of Westerners are bigger than Japanese, partly due to low-budget folks getting in on the "fashion-not-hobby", the knockoff-hate became non-existent and what was formerly ita became the norm. Accessibility also vastly increased the number of non-adults involved, which I'd argue is the primary reason for the drama.
Getoffegl was usually good back in the day, a Farms-like site, but too often filled with personal vendettas. Occasionally exposed scams well.
L_S/BTB struggled for a long time with the ever-shifting LJ TOS. From the looks of it, nobody cares any more. Depending on the mod of the week, certain stuff would be deemed inappropriate to the rules (powerwords, threats, whatever) to the mod's discretion. They kept having to change there rules (pointless really since everyone throws a fit no matter what).
Lolitahatememe was dumb.
CGL was a mixed bag as 4chan always was, but occasionally good for drama, especially stuff that was bannable on LJ.
I believe that style of dress is known as the "should have spent the money on a trip to Home Depot to fix your busted ass house". That's some Pixy level of shitty photo staging.
The community is built around oneupsmanship and is filled with nerdy, awkward young girls who crave attention and resent those who get more than they do.
I think what may be missed here is that they not only want to one up each other and dress more "fancy" its that they're essentially trying in most cases to dress like children. That's why its gothic "lolita" not just goth. I truly wish Japan would quit infecting the world with its nasty under-age fetish shit.
I remember thinking back in like 2002 or so "Wow so there's a new subculture about trying to dress specifically like Mana from Malice Mizer?" not realizing he was considered (from what I understand) the creator of the gothic lolita movement. Its just amazing to think its now a world wide thing where women tear each other apart online over minor fashion faux-pas and its even come down to racism...like white people aping a Japanese subculture being racist towards non-white and non-asian people who are also aping the same weird Japanese subculture. What a weird world.
I always wondered why it was this style specifically that took off as opposed to the myriad of other visual-kei bands' fashions (the crazy doctor look, the military goth look etc).I think its finally dawned on me: gothic lolita became huge because it caters to both the Japanese maid fetish and it fits in with the trend in the last 20 years of men in Japan becoming creepily attracted to women that look and act like children. I know its mostly women involved in this but really if the cultural agenda is "cute+childish=sexy" it makes an impression on young women within a very cliquish youth culture.
I think its finally dawned on me: gothic lolita became huge because it caters to both the Japanese maid fetish and it fits in with the trend in the last 20 years of men in Japan becoming creepily attracted to women that look and act like children. I know its mostly women involved in this but really if the cultural agenda is "cute+childish=sexy" it makes an impression on young women within a very cliquish youth culture.
Interestingly, and what most people don't know, gothic lolita was originally very counter-culture in Japan. It was considered selfish and freaky and actually drove men away. You were supposed to look like a Victorian doll and refuse to fit in with social norms and refuse to be "sexy". This was back in the 90s when the "mainstream" teens were trying to appear grown-up and rebellious and adult-sexy. Lolita was anti-sexy.
Clearly, it morphed away from that, probably due to the weird pedophilia both Japan and the US have been promoting since the 20o0s.
Lolita is basically a fashion sub-culture that enjoys Victoria-era clothing, but there are many different kinds like goth loli, classic loli, sweet loli, etc. Simple right? An innocent and sweet fandom dedicated to dressing beautifully.
Except it's created one of the biggest backstabbing, cut-throat cultures I have ever seen in my life, and the amount of lolcow material is incredible.
Anyone who's even slightly involved or knowledgeable about Lolita knows about a LiveJournal called "Behind the Bows". People submit images with text on them anonymously, which get posted anonymously - and then people comment on them (often anonymously) in the comments. What horrible content could fashion lovers possibly create?
Every single one of the currently #186 and counting Secret Posts that are posted weekly involve multiple callouts with blatantly recognisable features, very brutal and nasty comments - and a lot of the time it's very obvious whoever posted the photo was from that person's community or was a friend - creating a culture of paranoia.
Even some of the legitimately nicest girls in the Lolita community check this blog religiously, knowing that their picture could show up any time and they become a laughingstock. The Lolita community is big enough to have a huge following, but also small enough it's quite easy to figure out who someone is based on their photo and comments made on it.
Also, the trends are constantly changing - currently there's a huge backlash against Muslim lolita dressers, resulting in images like this being posted:
Lolita even has its own scandals - Mr Yan, owner of Bodyline, invites underage young models to Japan to model for his brand (basically the cheapest brand there is), while creeping on them and hinting at marriage. If you know Venus Angelic, she already has an ED page which briefly covers the saga.
Lolita culture is hard to describe to someone who hasn't really looked into it, like the hatred of "non-burando" (off-brand Lolita clothing), which brands rank higher than others, etc etc. What we could call "w-eens" or "cool guys", they call "itas" (from the last half of "lolita") to refer to try-hards, often weebs coming into the Lolita fandom with cheap cosplay shit, etc.
The reason why I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY is because due to the aesthetic of being pretty, classy, refined women, you will NEVER hear these girls say this shit or drag those bitches as hard as they do anonymously. So time and time again, the comments (with names attached) will be soothing, positive, nice, friendly etc - while the images and anonymous comments (which are most of them) each week are the most brutal shit ever.
And it's not always "I hate this girl, wah~!" or whatever, there are some legitimately great scandals like girls scamming Lolita forums, girls selling blatantly blood-stained dresses as brand new, hilarious stories about meet-ups that are social train wrecks, hostile take-overs of communities, the previously mentioned creepy Mr Yan, etc. Good value if you have the time.
Every image example above are selected samples from "Secrets Posts" #183, #184, #185 and #186. There are screeds and screeds. Enjoy.
They aren't making fun of Muslim Lolitas, they were making fun of one specific white tumblrette who dresses up as a Muslim to get oppression points who also has that weird "ageplay" fetish thing going on (like posing with baby shakers and buying things that are ment for toddlers), something about this post seems like you take us as your personal army or whatever, as if we would wage some sort of war against /cgl/ or something. I'm going to assume you are one of the girls they made fun of i guess and that's why you are crying about how mean some girls on the Internet are
TL;DR don't post selfies on the Internet if you don't want to be judged
also, the Muslim girl is a white tumblrette pretending to be Muslim
Okay seriously? No, this doesn't happen. Can we stop spreading misinformation? Your 16 year old weeaboo friend who wears cat ears with her hot topic "jay ess kay" isn't an expert on lolita fashion. Yeesh.
something about this post seems like you take us as your personal army or whatever, as if we would wage some sort of war against /cgl/ or something. I'm going to assume you are one of the girls they made fun of i guess and that's why you are crying about how mean some girls on the Internet are.
I actually did think some of the shaming examples were in fact fat, but kept quiet about it because the drama would start spilling here. Well fuck it, it spilled over anyway.
