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Splendid Meat Sticks said:
Accusing the USA and Japan of promoting pedophilia sounds pretty retarded, but I'd love to hear your argument for why it isn't.
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Not literally promoting it. I just meant the cultural trend of "schoolgirl=sexy" etc. I'm on my phone now so I'll have to get back to you if you want a longer answer.
 
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this is how pixyteri happened
 
Sperging inbound but for real.

I feel that the OP of this thread while giving a lot of accurate information has also greatly misinterpreted the drama style of lolitas and the people posting here who don't know anything about lolita communities are going off the handle with their assumptions and just posting overall stupid autist shit here.
  • BTB has been around for a while and a lot of the weird spiteful and hateful secrets posted there are considered autistic even by /cgl/ standards (and they're super catty). In no way does it accurately reflect how the vast majority of lolitas think or behave. There's a VERY good chance a lot of the secrets posted to BTB are made only to trick people and stir up drama, so if you believe everything you read you're being trolled in the easiest way imaginable. There's some real drama in there, but if you use it as a baseline for lolita behavior you're just falling for an ocean of bait.
  • The muslim hate isn't nearly as big as implied. The biggest hate I've seen for muslim lolitas is not because they're muslim, but because some are converts for the sake of being tumblr popular. Tumblr loves their muslim and POC lolitas. You can look like shit and they'll still eat your selfies up. Other than that the muslim hate isn't even about being muslim, it's the things they do because they're muslim like wearing jeans under a jsk for modesty or wearing sneakers for the same reason. Sometimes people on cgl just say they hate muslims to start a fight because they know it'll offend someone.
  • Non-brand hate is very minor and "brandwhores" are boogeymen that newbies and itas have made up to excuse why they aren't considered stylisyh. Coord only gets 3 notes because your shoes are mismatched payless flats and you aren't wearing a blouse so we can see your bra straps? No, CLEARLY that's because you're being hated on by brndwhores, it's not because you look like hot garbage.
  • No one thinks "brolita" is a bad word. Maybe some people on tumblr whine about it because it's putting a man twist on a word, but that's all. It's a commonly accepted term for men who dress in lolita.
  • A big hot button is the replica debate. I don't give much of a shit to the replicas=stealing from brand arguments, but it's common knowledge that replicas are made from inferior fabric, aren't cut to be as flattering, and have shitty lace. A big problem (no pun intended) with replicas is also that lots of girls only go for replicas because they're too fat for brand yet the replicators don't adjust their pattern sizes well. They just cut the fabric wider and don't tailor it well so it looks like crap. Being fat and wearing a potato sack ill-fitted dress will not make you look good.
  • There are plenty of lolitas who are fat and are okay with fat girls. There are plenty of people online and on cgl who say they hate fat girls regardless just to start shit. The biggest problem with being fat and a lolita is wearing clothes that fit. There are many examples of girls not wearing bras and having their boobs shoved down almost their navel just to fit into a dress that's too small. Not to say fat girls can't be lolitas because nothing fits, it's just harder for fat girls to dress themselves and easier for them to look awful when they don't get it right.
Too many people here are falling for bait, don't know anything about real drama, and aren't bothering to fact check anything. There's some real, amazing lolita drama (ODIP, Rosarie, girl in chicago who faked cancer, brolita jenny, wonderfinch destroying Cat's Tea Party among other things) but apparently no one wanted to post about that. On the verge of being as autistic as I'm claiming a lot of people in this thread are acting, so many comments in this thread are blatant bullshit and idiot conjecture and I think this thread needs to be nuked and rebuilt. I'm a lolita and a drama whore but come on.

We need quality drama, not just a flood of people just saying "I'd beat my daughter if she looked like this lmao what a bunch of cunty weeaboos" like this is a youtube comment section.
 
tblt said:
Sperging inbound but for real.

I feel that the OP of this thread while giving a lot of accurate information has also greatly misinterpreted the drama style of lolitas and the people posting here who don't know anything about lolita communities are going off the handle with their assumptions and just posting overall stupid autist shit here.
  • BTB has been around for a while and a lot of the weird spiteful and hateful secrets posted there are considered autistic even by /cgl/ standards (and they're super catty). In no way does it accurately reflect how the vast majority of lolitas think or behave. There's a VERY good chance a lot of the secrets posted to BTB are made only to trick people and stir up drama, so if you believe everything you read you're being trolled in the easiest way imaginable. There's some real drama in there, but if you use it as a baseline for lolita behavior you're just falling for an ocean of bait.
  • The muslim hate isn't nearly as big as implied. The biggest hate I've seen for muslim lolitas is not because they're muslim, but because some are converts for the sake of being tumblr popular. Tumblr loves their muslim and POC lolitas. You can look like shit and they'll still eat your selfies up. Other than that the muslim hate isn't even about being muslim, it's the things they do because they're muslim like wearing jeans under a jsk for modesty or wearing sneakers for the same reason. Sometimes people on cgl just say they hate muslims to start a fight because they know it'll offend someone.
  • Non-brand hate is very minor and "brandwhores" are boogeymen that newbies and itas have made up to excuse why they aren't considered stylisyh. Coord only gets 3 notes because your shoes are mismatched payless flats and you aren't wearing a blouse so we can see your bra straps? No, CLEARLY that's because you're being hated on by brndwhores, it's not because you look like hot garbage.
  • No one thinks "brolita" is a bad word. Maybe some people on tumblr whine about it because it's putting a man twist on a word, but that's all. It's a commonly accepted term for men who dress in lolita.
  • A big hot button is the replica debate. I don't give much of a shit to the replicas=stealing from brand arguments, but it's common knowledge that replicas are made from inferior fabric, aren't cut to be as flattering, and have shitty lace. A big problem (no pun intended) with replicas is also that lots of girls only go for replicas because they're too fat for brand yet the replicators don't adjust their pattern sizes well. They just cut the fabric wider and don't tailor it well so it looks like crap. Being fat and wearing a potato sack ill-fitted dress will not make you look good.
  • There are plenty of lolitas who are fat and are okay with fat girls. There are plenty of people online and on cgl who say they hate fat girls regardless just to start shit. The biggest problem with being fat and a lolita is wearing clothes that fit. There are many examples of girls not wearing bras and having their boobs shoved down almost their navel just to fit into a dress that's too small. Not to say fat girls can't be lolitas because nothing fits, it's just harder for fat girls to dress themselves and easier for them to look awful when they don't get it right.
Too many people here are falling for bait, don't know anything about real drama, and aren't bothering to fact check anything. There's some real, amazing lolita drama (ODIP, Rosarie, girl in chicago who faked cancer, brolita jenny, wonderfinch destroying Cat's Tea Party among other things) but apparently no one wanted to post about that. On the verge of being as autistic as I'm claiming a lot of people in this thread are acting, so many comments in this thread are blatant bullshit and idiot conjecture and I think this thread needs to be nuked and rebuilt. I'm a lolita and a drama whore but come on.

We need quality drama, not just a flood of people just saying "I'd beat my daughter if she looked like this lmao what a bunch of cunty weeaboos" like this is a youtube comment section.
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Yeah, there is nothing really of interest. It's just a strange style, it doesn't help that op seems to be legitimately upset by this small amount of "drama" considering I have never seen her posts here ever before and seemed to only post here to make this thread. I don't know, it seems like personal beef she has with
somebody in the community. The whole lolita thing is cringy at best.
she may as well go to lolcow.farm for this stuff
 
tblt said:
On the verge of being as autistic as I'm claiming a lot of people in this thread are acting, so many comments in this thread are blatant bullshit and idiot conjecture and I think this thread needs to be nuked and rebuilt. I'm a lolita and a drama whore but come on.
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Uh...

I'm before /cgl/, btb and all that. What I say is outdated, but as I said it holds true in pockets. The same bs goes on in the ABJD community, but there's no point in getting defensive about it.
 
HickoryDickory said:
Uh...

I'm before /cgl/, btb and all that. What I say is outdated, but as I said it holds true in pockets. The same bs goes on in the ABJD community, but there's no point in getting defensive about it.
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this thread is more people taking BTB posts seriously than is it actually talking about real drama. It's embarrassing.
 
HickoryDickory said:
Then post some of the items you listed to divert attention from the anon secrets. (Which shouldn't be considered the 100% truth, I agree)
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I think it's OP's job to make a thread relevant but if no one else can figure it out, here you go.
  • One Day in Paradise was an Australian lolita consignment shop (you give them your gently used clothes, they sell them for you, you get paid when they sell) that vanished off the face of the planet with no warning in early 2014 and I think the girl running it Marie even moved to avoid people. She took off with people's dresses, didn't refund preorders, and wouldn't ship things people had purchased from her. She got banned from the EGL comm sales for being a scammer and has getoffegl entries with her crazy shit. She's back in web shop and has a lacemarket as of recently.
  • Before Marie there was Rosarie and I always confused these two because she was also a scammer and wouldn't ship people's things. She was also nuts and started shit with people and made up lies about them. She was a shopping service who would buy lolita things you wanted that were in Japan (where she was located) and then ship them to you wherever you are in the world. I'm describing terms here because clearly no one in this thread knows shit. When people made BTB secrets about her she filed copyright claims on LJ to get the whole posts removed then did the same on imgur, where the pics were hosted. She has some getoffegl entries too. I'm pretty sure she was the one who kept claiming illness for why she wasn't shipping things, then later she was caught wearing a dress that someone else paid for to an event. I think she was also the one who begged for money to ship people's things because she took shipping payments then didn't ship shit and spent the money on herself.
  • Winderfinch mods the EGL LJ community and the comm sales page. Assume basic moderator ego problems plus a weird lolita mindset. Every time someone gets banned (like rosarie) they start shit with her but Wonderfinch, in true lolcow fashion, always replies where she's being criticized. You'll see her in getoffcgl comments a lot. She thinks she knows everything about lolita and is just an all around cringey person.
  • Tiferet. I honestly don't know where she comes from (just a random lolcow?) but she's nuts. She cut apart Cat's Tea Party, a dress that goes for over $1,000 USD used these days, so she could expand it because it didn't fit. The result was awful. She still wore it to a brand tea party though. She likes showing up to brand tea parties looking like shit. Generally she just looks bad all the time and talks shit. She's dumb and posts really dumb stuff too.
  • Pixyteri
  • Also you can go on Closet of Frills (or you can ask to join, it may be a closed group? I forget) and look at all the poorly dressed and angry girls who post there. These days most of the drama you're going to find is on tumblr or on facebook, mostly due to newbies and tumblr types starting shit because they can't handle not being the center of attention and because they refuse to put any effort into anything yet want to be called perfect.
  • John Leigh drama because he was harassing lolitas at Anime Matsuri recently. Minori, a popular japanese shironuri model, won't associate with any conventions involving him anymore. To show everyone he reformed he found a clipart diploma image and pasted text onto it saying he completed an online sexual harassment course. Like that would fool everyone. Google it yourself to read more I have too many tabs open as it is.
Is that enough to start some real discussions?
 
tblt said:
I'm describing terms here because clearly no one in this thread knows shit.
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Yes, you do that. Because that's usually going to be the case, just like nobody in Shaner's thread but a select few know shit about trains, nor do they care. Nor does everyone in Chris-Chan's threads know about the minutiae of Sonic trivia. It's called not being completely autistic.

ETA: This was probably a little too harsh, that line just sort of jumped out at me as annoying. Otherwise helpful post, I think.
 
AnOminous said:
Yes, you do that. Because that's usually going to be the case, just like nobody in Shaner's thread but a select few know shit about trains, nor do they care. Nor does everyone in Chris-Chan's threads know about the minutiae of Sonic trivia. It's called not being completely autistic.

ETA: This was probably a little too harsh, that line just sort of jumped out at me as annoying. Otherwise helpful post, I think.
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You read this whole thread and that was the line that jumped out to you as annoying.
 
Twilight Sparkle said:
They aren't making fun of Muslim Lolitas, they were making fun of one specific white tumblrette who dresses up as a Muslim to get oppression points who also has that weird "ageplay" fetish thing going on (like posing with baby shakers and buying things that are ment for toddlers), something about this post seems like you take us as your personal army or whatever, as if we would wage some sort of war against /cgl/ or something. I'm going to assume you are one of the girls they made fun of i guess and that's why you are crying about how mean some girls on the Internet are
TL;DR don't post selfies on the Internet if you don't want to be judged
also, the Muslim girl is a white tumblrette pretending to be Muslim
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I said multiple times I never got into the Lolita thing, so no, your assumption is entirely unfounded.
There are blatant cases of them hating muslim lolitas, even in one of the ones I posted it was a blanket hatred of the hijab, not a specific girl.
You're not my personal army, I'm literally just trying to contribute to this forum, because I enjoy being here, and other people thought this would be a good topic to post as well.
Not sure why this turned into a personal attack.
 
Twilight Sparkle said:
Yeah, there is nothing really of interest. It's just a strange style, it doesn't help that op seems to be legitimately upset by this small amount of "drama" considering I have never seen her posts here ever before and seemed to only post here to make this thread. I don't know, it seems like personal beef she has with
somebody in the community. The whole lolita thing is cringy at best.
she may as well go to lolcow.farm for this stuff
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I've been here longer than you, have more posts than you - a small look at my profile would let you know you're full of shit about me supposedly coming here just to post this. If you don't like this thread that's fine, but turning that into an attack against me based on multiple assumptions is petty and unnecessary.
 
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tblt said:
Sperging inbound but for real.

I feel that the OP of this thread while giving a lot of accurate information has also greatly misinterpreted the drama style of lolitas and the people posting here who don't know anything about lolita communities are going off the handle with their assumptions and just posting overall stupid autist shit here.
  • BTB has been around for a while and a lot of the weird spiteful and hateful secrets posted there are considered autistic even by /cgl/ standards (and they're super catty). In no way does it accurately reflect how the vast majority of lolitas think or behave. There's a VERY good chance a lot of the secrets posted to BTB are made only to trick people and stir up drama, so if you believe everything you read you're being trolled in the easiest way imaginable. There's some real drama in there, but if you use it as a baseline for lolita behavior you're just falling for an ocean of bait.
  • The muslim hate isn't nearly as big as implied. The biggest hate I've seen for muslim lolitas is not because they're muslim, but because some are converts for the sake of being tumblr popular. Tumblr loves their muslim and POC lolitas. You can look like shit and they'll still eat your selfies up. Other than that the muslim hate isn't even about being muslim, it's the things they do because they're muslim like wearing jeans under a jsk for modesty or wearing sneakers for the same reason. Sometimes people on cgl just say they hate muslims to start a fight because they know it'll offend someone.
  • Non-brand hate is very minor and "brandwhores" are boogeymen that newbies and itas have made up to excuse why they aren't considered stylisyh. Coord only gets 3 notes because your shoes are mismatched payless flats and you aren't wearing a blouse so we can see your bra straps? No, CLEARLY that's because you're being hated on by brndwhores, it's not because you look like hot garbage.
  • No one thinks "brolita" is a bad word. Maybe some people on tumblr whine about it because it's putting a man twist on a word, but that's all. It's a commonly accepted term for men who dress in lolita.
  • A big hot button is the replica debate. I don't give much of a shit to the replicas=stealing from brand arguments, but it's common knowledge that replicas are made from inferior fabric, aren't cut to be as flattering, and have shitty lace. A big problem (no pun intended) with replicas is also that lots of girls only go for replicas because they're too fat for brand yet the replicators don't adjust their pattern sizes well. They just cut the fabric wider and don't tailor it well so it looks like crap. Being fat and wearing a potato sack ill-fitted dress will not make you look good.
  • There are plenty of lolitas who are fat and are okay with fat girls. There are plenty of people online and on cgl who say they hate fat girls regardless just to start shit. The biggest problem with being fat and a lolita is wearing clothes that fit. There are many examples of girls not wearing bras and having their boobs shoved down almost their navel just to fit into a dress that's too small. Not to say fat girls can't be lolitas because nothing fits, it's just harder for fat girls to dress themselves and easier for them to look awful when they don't get it right.
Too many people here are falling for bait, don't know anything about real drama, and aren't bothering to fact check anything. There's some real, amazing lolita drama (ODIP, Rosarie, girl in chicago who faked cancer, brolita jenny, wonderfinch destroying Cat's Tea Party among other things) but apparently no one wanted to post about that. On the verge of being as autistic as I'm claiming a lot of people in this thread are acting, so many comments in this thread are blatant bullshit and idiot conjecture and I think this thread needs to be nuked and rebuilt. I'm a lolita and a drama whore but come on.

We need quality drama, not just a flood of people just saying "I'd beat my daughter if she looked like this lmao what a bunch of cunty weeaboos" like this is a youtube comment section.
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Oh wow, thank you for this. Yeah, I know that as an outsider I'm really not qualified to 100% say, and multiple times I did ask for corrections if I was wrong, so thank you for this. Should I put all this in the OP? The thread seems to be dying anyway, but better to be safe than sorry?
 
what the fuck. this thread devolved into internal drama. howsabout we just laugh at the bratty girls and not at each other mmkay
 
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