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And another one. Dang Pixy, what a legacy.

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Satan said:
This whole pretending-to-be-little-girls thing is creepy anyway you look at it. And the name of the whole fetish community is derived from a book about a middle aged dude abusing his 12 year old stepdaughter. These chicks have some issues, clearly.
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Having actually read Lolita (cultured as fuck, I know), I've always wondered why this trend was named after it. The very thing about Lolita was that she had effortless magnetism... insofar as a 12 year old can, at least. She didn't dress up, she wasn't even the prettiest. She was actually rather average and just a typical child completely lacking in refinement. She was also pretty messed up... no one in their right mind would want to be her. She died a washed up 18 year old.

In the past I've pointed these things out to several self-confessed Lolita fans and they've all just aggressively come back with, "IT ISN'T MEANT TO BE BASED ON THAT LOLITA OMG" or "YOU JUST DON'T GET IT". Uh.. you're right, I don't get it at all... just how many Lolitas are there?

Sooo... yes, insight would be appreciated.
 
Twaughthammer said:
Having actually read Lolita (cultured as fuck, I know), I've always wondered why this trend was named after it. The very thing about Lolita was that she had effortless magnetism... insofar as a 12 year old can, at least. She didn't dress up, she wasn't even the prettiest. She was actually rather average and just a typical child completely lacking in refinement. She was also pretty messed up... no one in their right mind would want to be her. She died a washed up 18 year old.

In the past I've pointed these things out to several self-confessed Lolita fans and they've all just aggressively come back with, "IT ISN'T MEANT TO BE BASED ON THAT LOLITA OMG" or "YOU JUST DON'T GET IT". Uh.. you're right, I don't get it at all... just how many Lolitas are there?

Sooo... yes, insight would be appreciated.
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I remember the bit where he's talking about how he should get Lolita pregnant so that when she gets too old to be interesting anymore, he'll have a Lolita 2.0...... *shivers*
 
You are all incorrect about everything, we're not all jerks! Proceeds to act like a jerk.

My comparison to Fortykay still stands.
 
This thread:

20% "Some people in this lolita community are fucking insane."

80% "FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOU"

Which is a shame, since lolita does fascinate me even as an outsider, but seriously, guys. If the thread is a bit uninformed, inform them. Don't be a dick about it. Because when you end up being a dick to someone, they tend to react by being a dick. We're here to talk about lolcows, not breed new ones.

I mean, shit guys, this thread could literally be put up as a cautionary tale to not take your hobbies too seriously when they get discussed on the boards.
 
Dynastia said:
I still don't get how dressing slutty like this is a "hobby" and not a "fetish".
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It's just grown women wearing baby bonnets and holding rattles and naming their hobby after a novel where a middle aged man wants to bone his daughter
I don't see why people keep saying its a fetish :( it's a lifestyle damnit, a very disturbing lifestyle!
 
Twaughthammer said:
Having actually read Lolita (cultured as fuck, I know), I've always wondered why this trend was named after it. The very thing about Lolita was that she had effortless magnetism... insofar as a 12 year old can, at least. She didn't dress up, she wasn't even the prettiest. She was actually rather average and just a typical child completely lacking in refinement. She was also pretty messed up... no one in their right mind would want to be her. She died a washed up 18 year old.

In the past I've pointed these things out to several self-confessed Lolita fans and they've all just aggressively come back with, "IT ISN'T MEANT TO BE BASED ON THAT LOLITA OMG" or "YOU JUST DON'T GET IT". Uh.. you're right, I don't get it at all... just how many Lolitas are there?

Sooo... yes, insight would be appreciated.
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You're forgetting that this trend comes from Japan where they likely don't have the same cultural understanding of the book/movie. The general consensus is that the guy who coined the term just thought it was a cute girl's name. The earliest lolita looks were based on Victorian funeral wear, not baby bonnets (lolita bonnets are also based on a Victorian thing, not baby bonnets) and rattles or anything close to what book Lolita wears. Western girls have been trying to change the name forever but all the alternative names are kinda stupid ("Alice fashion") and it's been this way for so long that it sticks.
Some people also theorize it's based off the diminutive name of "Dolores," the "Virgin Mary of Sorrows" based on the gothic and religious imagery of early gothic lolita.
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Edit: This goes into more detail http://fyeahlolita.blogspot.com/2013/11/why-is-lolita-called-lolita-does-lolita.html
So the Dolores idea might not be all that accurate but I've seen it tossed around a lot and looking at Moi Meme Moitie, it fits.
 
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melty said:
You're forgetting that this trend comes from Japan where they likely don't have the same cultural understanding of the book/movie. The general consensus is that the guy who coined the term just thought it was a cute girl's name. The earliest lolita looks were based on Victorian funeral wear, not baby bonnets (lolita bonnets are also based on a Victorian thing, not baby bonnets) and rattles or anything close to what book Lolita wears. Western girls have been trying to change the name forever but all the alternative names are kinda stupid ("Alice fashion") and it's been this way for so long that it sticks.
Some people also theorize it's based off the diminutive name of "Dolores," the "Virgin Mary of Sorrows" based on the gothic and religious imagery of early gothic lolita.
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Edit: This goes into more detail http://fyeahlolita.blogspot.com/2013/11/why-is-lolita-called-lolita-does-lolita.html
So the Dolores idea might not be all that accurate but I've seen it tossed around a lot and looking at Moi Meme Moitie, it fits.
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I see.. though it does seem to be a little too coincedental that the guy who coined the term just so happens to have picked a rare name that fits the whole youth fixation bit. So I'm not too sold on that...

Lolita's real name in the book happens to be Dolores, only her abuser refers to her as Lolita. I'm not sure if that has significance.

Good post though, thanks. :)
 
Twaughthammer said:
I see.. though it does seem to be a little too coincedental that the guy who coined the term just so happens to have picked a rare name that fits the whole youth fixation bit. So I'm not too sold on that...

Lolita's real name in the book happens to be Dolores, only her abuser refers to her as Lolita. I'm not sure if that has significance.

Good post though, thanks. :)
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I know the linked article is kind of long but it's a lot more in-depth. It makes some good points about how the fashion was around in various forms before a name was coined, and fashion substyles often don't get to choose their own names. Plus the connection between Alice in Wonderland and "Lolita" was pretty fascinating - "Alice style" was a staple of early lolita outfits and to this day trump card themes, white rabbits and other Alice related motifs are regularly put out. I already mentioned "Alice fashion" has been tossed around as an alternative, because the fashion has much more in common with her style of dress than anything Lolita ever wears in the book. Really though, I'm not even sure the book or movie were all that popular over there. What's obvious from a Western perspective is probably slightly more complicated when you get down to it.
Plus, the fashion has changed a lot since the name was coined. It's easy to look at a girl in a big bonnet with a dress covered with toys and say "obviously, pedo fetishists" but outfits like that simply didn't exist when the name was coined.

Zvantastika said:
Can we have see some of the Tiferet posts?, she looks to have a Tumblrina attitude (fat and proud) and that can only mean SPERGING FUN.
So Closet of Frills is like the crab bucket for lolitas who can't get along?, now THAT place would be a great start to see lolita drama in its pure form.
I may have missed it but, what is a shironuri model and what's her importance in the lolita community?.

Thanks for you patience with my silly questions.
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Figured I'd elaborate on a couple of things. I wouldn't say CoF is a crab bucket. It's just a Facebook page to post outfits on. The biggest drama comes from "concrit" which is advice to improve your outfit. It generally isn't malicious and more along the lines of saying tights would work better than socks or that a different color shoe would look better. A lot of newbies consider this an attack by mean, elitist lolitas on their outfit and chimp out. Later they made a rule banning advice unless the person asks for it, but you still get people asking for advice and then deciding later to get butthurt over it.
You may notice a running trend here, a shit ton of drama is started by newbies and tumblrinas who put in zero effort and cry when it's not taken very well. I don't see how it's different than any other hobby, I'd assume if you idk tried to join a fiction writing club and your writing was shit and people gave you advice you flipped your lid, that would cause drama and make them not like you very much. For some reason lolita fashion has a much higher percentage of this sort of newbie, who then go on to wail about how the other lolitas hated them for their shoe color or were jealous of their "creativity" or other nonsense.

Tiferet is a big lolcow (no pun intended). She is an elitist notorious for giving lengthy higher-than-thou advice to newbies that's often just plain wrong or stupid then starting arguments with better informed people over it. Later it was found out she dresses like shit further calling into question the veracity of her advice. Here's a secret about her
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I forgot about the pearls incident, she was going off for awhile about how lolitas shouldn't wear fake pearls and fake pearls look bad on brands because they are tacky since she's obviously a classy well-groomed woman who only wears TRUE & HONEST pearls. Some pearls sperging here. more sperging about shit no one cares about She liked going on pointless tangents on high-end brands she doesn't know anything about. She had some previous drama in the Harry Potter community iirc, keep in mind this women is nearing 50
Her most recent notoriety involves a rare and highly coveted dress called Cat's Tea Party which @tblt mentioned. It's one of the most expensive dresses in the fashion right now, selling for anywhere between $1000 and $1500. Tiferet bought it and, not being able to fit in it, did a total hack job on it, cutting it up and adding shit like cheap ribbons that don't really match. Then she took a bunch of pictures of her in the hacked up dress with her smug troll face. This rustled a lot of jimmies.
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As for arguing in the thread, truthfully I am sorry for lashing out at @VLAD earlier. This thread has been full of misinformation since page one and there's almost too much to address. I could sit here all day and write about it but would that be fun for anyone? Would anyone care? Probably not. That line stuck out to me just because the thread was starting to reach a fever pitch of rumors which I've suspected of happening in other threads but never really knew enough about the subjects of those.
 
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melty said:
I already mentioned "Alice fashion" has been tossed around as an alternative, because the fashion has much more in common with her style of dress than anything Lolita ever wears in the book. Really though, I'm not even sure the book or movie were all that popular over there.
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If attempting to disentangle "Lolita" from pedophilic overtones is one of the purposes of changing the name, though, "Alice" is probably not exactly the best model.
 
AnOminous said:
If attempting to disentangle "Lolita" from pedophilic overtones is one of the purposes of changing the name, though, "Alice" is probably not exactly the best model.
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The problem is there really aren't any other good suggestions. You have neo-Victorian, but that isn't always accurate. Some people call it "frills" or "frilly fashion" which is more accurate but sounds stupid. Alice fashion is closer to the roots of lolita, but it also sounds stupid as well as the point you've made. Calling it kawaii or cute fashion describes too many other things.
Personally whenever people ask me about it I just say it's "Japanese street fashion" or "Harajuku fashion" which is cringeworthy but that's how sad the alternatives are.
 
melty said:
As for arguing in the thread, truthfully I am sorry for lashing out at @VLAD earlier. This thread has been full of misinformation since page one and there's almost too much to address. I could sit here all day and write about it but would that be fun for anyone? Would anyone care? Probably not. That line stuck out to me just because the thread was starting to reach a fever pitch of rumors which I've suspected of happening in other threads but never really knew enough about the subjects of those.
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Water under the bridge, dude. I've personally found your infodumps to be very enlightening. It's good to see some degree of sanity exist in a subculture that completely rubbed me the wrong way when I first encountered it.

That doesn't mean I still won't find the occasional drama spat absolutely hilarious. But now I have some context for the madness, so thanks a lot for that!
 
melty said:
The problem is there really aren't any other good suggestions. You have neo-Victorian, but that isn't always accurate. Some people call it "frills" or "frilly fashion" which is more accurate but sounds stupid. Alice fashion is closer to the roots of lolita, but it also sounds stupid as well as the point you've made. Calling it kawaii or cute fashion describes too many other things.
Personally whenever people ask me about it I just say it's "Japanese street fashion" or "Harajuku fashion" which is cringeworthy but that's how sad the alternatives are.
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It would be nice to see a name change, but finding a word that is catchy is certainly difficult. It's not something easy to find a new word that's cute sounding like decora or fruits. :\

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I just noticed the spoiler since I'm a sped. Omg... I'm dying. That's like a newbie using Sharpies and nailpolish on a Volks one-off. :lol:
 
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Twaughthammer said:
Having actually read Lolita (cultured as fuck, I know), I've always wondered why this trend was named after it. The very thing about Lolita was that she had effortless magnetism... insofar as a 12 year old can, at least. She didn't dress up, she wasn't even the prettiest. She was actually rather average and just a typical child completely lacking in refinement. She was also pretty messed up... no one in their right mind would want to be her. She died a washed up 18 year old.

In the past I've pointed these things out to several self-confessed Lolita fans and they've all just aggressively come back with, "IT ISN'T MEANT TO BE BASED ON THAT LOLITA OMG" or "YOU JUST DON'T GET IT". Uh.. you're right, I don't get it at all... just how many Lolitas are there?

Sooo... yes, insight would be appreciated.
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I can actually answer this!

So I don't know if the person who coined the term is known (maybe Mana), but the problem with this tread is it's being interpreted through Western fans. In Japan, Nabokov's "Lolita" character, and it's application to the fashion, is about an idealized image of what a prepubescent girl is, along with a (mis)interpretation of Lolita as a powerful independent person. It's the idyllic delusion of girlhood that's being applied to EGL. You're not supposed to be pretending to be a kid, it's more like Drag. It's supposed to be over-the-top and campy. Like old Goth.

I always thought Kamikaze Girls (Shimotsuma Story) was pretty accurate, but even Japanese lolitas had mixed opinions.

There used to be talk about pushing for a subculture name with less unfortunate implications, but since the origin lies in Japan, it's not really possible.
 
I'm pretty sure Japan knows about the Nabokov novel, seeing as the term "lolita complex" exists.

Anyway, I want to hear more about the nearing-50 lolita lolcow.
 
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